(11-29-2017 04:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather not open carry.

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you to conceal carry.

But that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment and local state gun rights. It's an individual right that people cannot impact.

What does it cost to conceal carry.

Depends on the state and ultimate jurisdiction.

I live on the border of Texas and New Mexico so I guess I would need both.

Currently I just have it in my car. That's legal right?

(11-29-2017 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 04:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather not open carry.

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you to conceal carry.

But that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment and local state gun rights. It's an individual right that people cannot impact.

What does it cost to conceal carry.

Depends on the state and ultimate jurisdiction.

I live on the border of Texas and New Mexico so I guess I would need both.

Currently I just have it in my car. That's legal right?

Depends on the state and jurisdiction.

(11-29-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I wonder if at some point the cops get tired of responding to these kinds of calls. The police officer in this video looks extremely annoyed that he has to be doing this.

Sure, especially if nothing problematic is happening. The store owner or patrons are accusing people of 'shopping while armed' which like being black, isn't a crime.

Not dissimilar from how in the 1950's, shops might call and complain that black people were shopping, claiming they were scaring 'good white folk'

Not drawing any other parallels between the situations and not remotely NEAR the degree... just that both are rights that some have sought to oppress due to Unconstitutional beliefs.

(11-29-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Do people who open carry have to do this at every store they go to?

Would you prefer they leave their guns unattended in the car?

I agree on some levels in that you don't always need to carry.... but I'm not sure that leaving it in the car, even if locked, is the best choice.

I'm sure a lot of it is like kneeling for the anthem... people trying to make a point about their rights because those rights have been challenged.

(11-29-2017 03:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather not open carry.

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you to conceal carry.

But that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment and local state gun rights. It's an individual right that people cannot impact.

What does it cost to conceal carry.

The class was $125, the permit $35.

After that the world's your oyster on what you want to spend on a firearm and carry mechanism. I prefer small and simple because it's almost impossible to conceal something big without a suit coat, which looks ridiculous when I am grocery shopping. ;.)

(11-29-2017 03:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Heck, I'll be honest, other than the cop complaining about being filmed as if he was afraid of something, I don't see anything anybody did that was wrong. (maybe you could argue why the second cop needed a heavier rifle)

I wouldn't have asked for ID of anyone not part of the original complaint and not carrying. They aren't part of the call even if the are with the original party.

(11-29-2017 04:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather not open carry.

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you to conceal carry.

But that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment and local state gun rights. It's an individual right that people cannot impact.

What does it cost to conceal carry.

The class was $125, the permit $35.

After that the world's your oyster on what you want to spend on a firearm and carry mechanism. I prefer small and simple because it's almost impossible to conceal something big without a suit coat, which looks ridiculous when I am grocery shopping. ;.)

That's nothing. I thought it was something like $600 plus classes.

In all honestly, I'm not ready to conceal carry. I read up on the laws in Texas and New Mexico and from what I read, it's legal to keep a firearm in your car.

For the time being, I have my firearm locked up in my car under the seat. The car is my weekender so it's sitting in my garage.

The wife let me buy it on the condition that I don't bring it in the house.

I've heard this story before. Like 2 years ago.

(11-29-2017 04:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The wife let me buy it on the condition that I don't bring it in the house.

Allow me to welcome you to the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Second Amendment Civil Rights Supporters. This Fraternity of the Armed is very real business.

If I could be so bold, allow me to remind you that your first instinct when carrying a firearm is always to deescalate the situation without brandishing a weapon. Always.

However - as morbid as this is - if using your firearm is the final option, always shoot to kill. Dead men tell no tales (as in lie on the witness stand, and if they are dead they can't sue.)

It’s called the “Reasonable Person” standard; would a “reasonable person” – really, meaning 12 of your peers on a jury – believe that you were in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm?

That's the rub: will those those same reasonable people had to believe you also used lethal force appropriately, and weren’t taking part in a fight you were willingly part of.

(I re-read this and it sounds condescending, but that wasn't my intent.)

(11-29-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  "This is all you've got".... It's freaking passport! It's the gold standard of ID

lol.....I thought the same thing.....there was easily a portion of his tactics during questioning that were tad suspect....

I've been pulled over a few times (always carry) and immediately let them know I'm carrying.....never had a problem....

(11-29-2017 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 04:02 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:53 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I would rather not open carry.

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you to conceal carry.

But that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment and local state gun rights. It's an individual right that people cannot impact.

What does it cost to conceal carry.

Depends on the state and ultimate jurisdiction.

I live on the border of Texas and New Mexico so I guess I would need both.

Currently I just have it in my car. That's legal right?

I think the rule was (may not be anymore) that you had to be crossing county lines or going to the range or hunting or some reason for transport

Idk, but I wouldn't just assume that you're okay.... Keep it in trunk, unloaded etc

(11-29-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  "This is all you've got".... It's freaking passport! It's the gold standard of ID

He's just being lazy. The passport has all the pertinent data he needs to run any checks in the field. Name and DOB is all that requires.

If anything our dispatchers preferred when we ran name and DOB because it took a step out of the process checking for a DL and on wanted status. Entering the DL# only ran the SCDL. You then had to re-enter name and DOB to run the wanted check.

I never believed it until we finally got MDTs and I ran one myself. From then on I never ran just the DL.

(11-28-2017 06:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 05:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If you open carry, you are just asking for some panicked liberal soccer mom to make a bs panic call or to have a LEO stop to see whats going on to ensure that you are not coo-koo for cocoa puffs.

Great way to permanently avoid this. Kydex holster at the appendix or 4 o'clock position.

While you do have a point about some people overreacting in general to firearms in public, if you're one of those numbnuts walking into mall or around a neighborhood with an AR style weapon slung across your back in wannabe tactical gear just to prove a point, you should expect the cops to be called.

Fair enough, may I also expect them to respond appropriately if I am operating in compliance with the law? And no, I wouldn't be in that situation anyway but if I was...

(11-29-2017 01:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  "This is all you've got".... It's freaking passport! It's the gold standard of ID

Exactly

(11-29-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Heck, I'll be honest, other than the cop complaining about being filmed as if he was afraid of something, I don't see anything anybody did that was wrong. (maybe you could argue why the second cop needed a heavier rifle)

I suppose you are correct.

Do people who open carry have to do this at every store they go to?

Very likely only in blue states. I don't usually open carry but there have been times when I have. I have yet to be challenged anywhere except for once in a Bass Pro Shop and that was by store security who asked to see my permit. When I showed it to him he told me to have a nice day. The last time I was stopped for speeding I informed the officer that I was legally armed and his response was don't show me yours and I won't show you mine. He never asked for my permit. Small town America rocks.

(11-30-2017 08:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Heck, I'll be honest, other than the cop complaining about being filmed as if he was afraid of something, I don't see anything anybody did that was wrong. (maybe you could argue why the second cop needed a heavier rifle)

I suppose you are correct.

Do people who open carry have to do this at every store they go to?

Very likely only in blue states. I don't usually open carry but there have been times when I have. I have yet to be challenged anywhere except for once in a Bass Pro Shop and that was by store security who asked to see my permit. When I showed it to him he told me to have a nice day. The last time I was stopped for speeding I informed the officer that I was legally armed and his response was don't show me yours and I won't show you mine. He never asked for my permit. Small town America rocks.

I've been stopped three times while open carrying (I rarely do so) in Ohio and am happy that LEOs do that in order to confirm that they are being carried by law-abiding citizens. I'm with others on the Open Carry vs. Concealed, I feel like open carry would be much safer and may start to desensitize the anti-gun crowd. To be clear, I'm not what you would consider a "normal" gun owner politically, but I still appreciate my right to do so.

I have never open carried even though I live in Ohio and an allowed to do so. I learned a little game while with the Marine Corps that I like to call "who's packing". When in public it's a habit I have two scanned the crowd to identify who has a gun on them. Look for imprinted concealed carry, people wearing inappropriately heavy clothing on warm days, people whose hand keeps going down the beltline unconsciously which is a tell. Just from a safety perspective I keep an eye on those folks if I am in a public place. I would assume that they would do the same with me which is why I take extra steps to make sure that my concealed carry is truly concealed.

If you have a gun on you in public you're a potential target. People are keeping an eye on you and people keep an eye on that weapon not always for good reasons. I don't want to be a target. I don't want anyone knowing - that's part of the point.

(11-30-2017 10:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If you have a gun on you in public you're a potential target. People are keeping an eye on you and people keep an eye on that weapon not always for good reasons. I don't want to be a target. I don't want anyone knowing - that's part of the point.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I actually think open carry is detrimental to the general public's acceptance of firearms.

(11-30-2017 10:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If you have a gun on you in public you're a potential target. People are keeping an eye on you and people keep an eye on that weapon not always for good reasons. I don't want to be a target. I don't want anyone knowing - that's part of the point.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

I actually think open carry is detrimental to the general public's acceptance of firearms.

I've always been a "devil you know" type person, but I've only open carried a few times with my current model and probably won't again. As rath said, you definitely get looks, and probably get type cast rather quickly.

Most nationally franchised or corporately owned retailers have a No Guns policy as do most government owned buildings. Just don't be the idiot who carries a weapon into a store that doesn't allow them; too many idiots have been caught trying to carry on a weapon on airplanes or into airports.

Think before you carry.

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Most nationally franchised or corporately owned retailers have a No Guns policy as do most government owned buildings. Just don't be the idiot who carries a weapon into a store that doesn't allow them; too many idiots have been caught trying to carry on a weapon on airplanes or into airports.

Think before you carry.

Exactly...in all cases. This was a respectful stop done well within the bounds of the rights of the proprietor and not infringing on the rights of the gun owner.