Being the logical visionary that you are, NoDak, where are you placing the headquarters of the Great North conference?

(02-07-2018 04:09 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Being the logical visionary that you are, NoDak, where are you placing the headquarters of the Great North conference?

Billings Montana!

(02-07-2018 04:09 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Being the logical visionary that you are, NoDak, where are you placing the headquarters of the Great North conference?

It could be in Timbuktu for all I care.

Denver, where the WAC HQ is, would be ideal. The Big Sky HQ in Ogden would be fine if Weber St joins.

I was kind of thinking Broadus, MT.

(02-07-2018 04:57 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  I was kind of thinking Broadus, MT.

The smallest TV DMA in the US....Glendive, MT.

I was thinking Broadus because of its central location to all Great North schools and its ability to maintain large bulk tanks to fuel buses in their travels between the Dakota's and MT/ ID.

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

I'm not sure if you're just playing along with the conspiracy theorist, but what possible motivation could there be for the 4 Dakota schools to leave the MVFC, one of the best FCS conferences, for an FCS Summit League with the bare minimum of football schools? And if UNC joins but WIU leaves, they'd be back to 5 FB schools. The Summit can't "take over" the MVFC. It would only have 5 out of the 11 members (and just 4 if WIU leaves).

The only parts of this that seem even vaguely realistic are UNC joining the Summit (it would still have to park its FB program in the Big Sky though) and WIU and Fort Wayne desiring to leave the Summit. I doubt the MVC would want either WIU or FW, so they'd do better to aim for the Horizon or even the OVC.

So maybe we see:

Big Sky: Cal Poly*, EWU, Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, NAU, PSU, Sac State, SUU, Weber, UC Davis*, UNC*

Summit (NFB): Denver, NDSU, Omaha, ORU, SDSU, UNC, UND, USD

Horizon (NFB): Cleveland State, Detroit, Fort Wayne, Green Bay, IUPUI, Milwaukee, NKU, Oakland, UIC, WIU, Wright State, YSU

* = FB-only

UND has already given formal withdrawal notice to the Big Sky for Football. They would have to pay an entry fee to stay in after 2019. They would also have to pay an exit fee to the MVFC, even though they never played a game. A clever way for Grand Forks genius to save money.

So April 18th is NoDak's banning day when his Great North doesn't form. Only 69 days left

(02-06-2018 08:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 07:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 04:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 10:32 AM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  NoDak, weren't these orgasmic factors there in 1978 and 2002? NDSU and SDSU had vision in 2002, UND and USD not so much. Adding a single school like UNC to the MVFC and Summit makes a lot more sense than the major shift you are talking about. This single addition would get enough football and baseball teams together to control their own destiny, which should make the presidents very happy without totally tearing up conferences.

The orgasmic factor in 1978 was Nevada, which was just joining.
The later loss of Nevada, Boise St and Idaho created the desire to slap DI labels on West Coast commuter schools like Northridge, Sac St, and Portland St and deulsionally believe that they were good replacements that would have massive TV ratings and build much better than Jr High gyms. Turned out entirely wrong.

In 2002, NDSU's President at the time, coming from Mont St, understood the issues, it couldn't ram through his proposal to the Big Sky. UND had two big arenas coming on line, was hosting the DII basketball championships, and dealing with local flood issues had too much on its plate for a DI transition. The Montanas worked out a plan for UND's acceptance longer term because we weren't a bull in a China closet.

I'm confused. The Alerus was built with tax money and is owned by the city of Grand Forks. The Ralph was donated by his estate and is run by a non-profit, correct? So which two big arenas did UND build in 2002?

UND chose to not go D1 at the time due to their not wanting to ever leave D2. They did everything they could to make it difficult for NDSU, and even SDSU to move up. Your AD and Women's BB coach were all over the North Dakota media making fools of themselves. Your recent financial struggles may be why they were so adamant against the move. The powers that be must have understood that UND could not afford D1 for all sports and still fund hockey at the highest level. Smart guys.

The Montana's did not work out a plan to get UND into the Big Sky. That smart move was pushed by Fullerton (who also offered USD) in an attempt to build a super conference, hoping to attract SDSU and more importantly, NDSU. Fullerton admitted as much in his exit interview.

One other quick item. You rip Sac State and Portland yet a few years ago they were your dream conference mates. The more this thread goes on, the more fibs you tell. Maybe it is time for this thread, and your crazy ideas, to go away.

Ralph donated the arena, but his non-profit foundation that was established needed full gate receipts for several years in order to make sure that arena was operating properly. It doesn't take an MBA to figure that out.

UND did not ever say it was staying in DII forever but always said DI was possible at the right time, but lies about UND are a constant theme on circle jerk XDSU message boards. Minnesota-Duluth just happens to be an important hockey ally, and giving them a shot in the NCC just wasn't in the interest of the XDSU's.

NDSU's President knew that UND could not go DI for a few years, so he barged ahead with his little sister, SDSU. He also worked overtime to paint UND as the bad actor, then he was run out of the state after a few years for gross financial improprieties. XDSU fans have him in their pantheon as a god, but there is no doubt that he did many evil things.

Fullerton did not have a vote, but no minds like you insist he did.

The XDSU presidents did a good job deceiving everybody that Portland St and Sac St would be great partners when they attempted to barge into the Big Sky several times.

So you are admitting that UND were not in the process of building two new buildings in 2002? A donated building is very different then, "we built it" and as mentioned, the Alerus is a city owned building, funded by a tax increase.

The rest of your post makes no sense, so I think I'll just leave it alone.

(02-08-2018 12:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UNC has already given formal withdrawal notice to the Big Sky for Football.

So April 18th is NoDak's banning day when his Great North doesn't form. Only 69 days left

Did I miss some big news about Northern Colorado?

(02-08-2018 01:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 12:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UNC has already given formal withdrawal notice to the Big Sky for Football.

So April 18th is NoDak's banning day when his Great North doesn't form. Only 69 days left

Did I miss some big news about Northern Colorado?

Yes, source please, Stugray. Why would they withdraw from football? There's nowhere else for them to go. Unless they're planning to drop the sport.

(02-08-2018 12:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UNC has already given formal withdrawal notice to the Big Sky for Football. They would have to pay an entry fee to stay in after 2019. They would also have to pay an exit fee to the MVFC, even though they never played a game. A clever way for Grand Forks genius to save money.

So April 18th is NoDak's banning day when his Great North doesn't form. Only 69 days left

Blatant lies continue for your sour mouth. SJSU would really become more irrelevant in the West

UND gave notice to the Big Sky that they will exit football in the 2020 season. This way they don't pay an exit fee by giving 2+ years notice. MVFC has already announced they will come on board in the 2020 season. Other sports leave the Big Sky to join the Summit on July 1st this year. The Big Sky has already removed voting rights from UND on future conference matters, as is typical of schools leaving a conference. As a Football associate member for the next two years, like UC Davis and Cal Poly, they don't get voting rights.

Contracts are all signed. Have no idea why NoDak calls any of that a lie. It's all public information.

Stu, you said UNC instead of UND in your original post. Big difference. :)

(02-08-2018 03:25 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Stu, you said UNC instead of UND in your original post. Big difference. :)

Ah yes, that would explain it. Although if UNC is not part of the whimsically theoretical FCS Summit, I don't know how they'd muster up enough football schools to reach the minimum requirement.

(02-08-2018 03:25 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Stu, you said UNC instead of UND in your original post. Big difference. :)

typo, corrected original post. I guess I'm not much of a Tarheel fan.

I always refer to Northern Colorado as NoCo, never UNC (North Carolina) in my posts to avoid confusion.

Still waiting on April 18th for the Great North non announcement, and NoDak's ban from the forum.

(02-08-2018 03:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 03:25 PM)BisonCardinal Wrote:  Stu, you said UNC instead of UND in your original post. Big difference. :)

typo, corrected original post. I guess I'm not much of a Tarheel fan.

I always refer to Northern Colorado as NoCo, never UNC (North Carolina) in my posts to avoid confusion.

Confusion reigns in your arrogant brain. When I said Presbyterian College would add wrestling, based on what a wrestling board had said, you excoriated me and said that would never happen. I was just a stupid jerk for believing that.

But sure enough a month later Prebyterian College added men's and women's wrestling. No humility suddenly came springing from your posts.

The same thing will happen with Summit football.

(02-08-2018 10:06 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

I'm not sure if you're just playing along with the conspiracy theorist, but what possible motivation could there be for the 4 Dakota schools to leave the MVFC, one of the best FCS conferences, for an FCS Summit League with the bare minimum of football schools? And if UNC joins but WIU leaves, they'd be back to 5 FB schools. The Summit can't "take over" the MVFC. It would only have 5 out of the 11 members (and just 4 if WIU leaves).

The only parts of this that seem even vaguely realistic are UNC joining the Summit (it would still have to park its FB program in the Big Sky though) and WIU and Fort Wayne desiring to leave the Summit. I doubt the MVC would want either WIU or FW, so they'd do better to aim for the Horizon or even the OVC.

So maybe we see:

Big Sky: Cal Poly*, EWU, Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, NAU, PSU, Sac State, SUU, Weber, UC Davis*, UNC*

Summit (NFB): Denver, NDSU, Omaha, ORU, SDSU, UNC, UND, USD

Horizon (NFB): Cleveland State, Detroit, Fort Wayne, Green Bay, IUPUI, Milwaukee, NKU, Oakland, UIC, WIU, Wright State, YSU

* = FB-only

It would be Summit League football but they'd also take in the MVFC schools to make a 12 school league.

(02-08-2018 04:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 10:06 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I've said it on here before: once UND becomes a full member of the Summit the move we are going to see is Northern Colorado to the Summit.

It's a win for the Big Sky because they drop to a managable 10 full/12 football model.

Denver gets a travel partner.

The Summit takes over the MVFC, having 6 of the members.

The voting block of the Dakota 4, UNO, and Denver control the league. PUFW and WIU step up efforts to get out.

I'm not sure if you're just playing along with the conspiracy theorist, but what possible motivation could there be for the 4 Dakota schools to leave the MVFC, one of the best FCS conferences, for an FCS Summit League with the bare minimum of football schools? And if UNC joins but WIU leaves, they'd be back to 5 FB schools. The Summit can't "take over" the MVFC. It would only have 5 out of the 11 members (and just 4 if WIU leaves).

The only parts of this that seem even vaguely realistic are UNC joining the Summit (it would still have to park its FB program in the Big Sky though) and WIU and Fort Wayne desiring to leave the Summit. I doubt the MVC would want either WIU or FW, so they'd do better to aim for the Horizon or even the OVC.

So maybe we see:

Big Sky: Cal Poly*, EWU, Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State, NAU, PSU, Sac State, SUU, Weber, UC Davis*, UNC*

Summit (NFB): Denver, NDSU, Omaha, ORU, SDSU, UNC, UND, USD

Horizon (NFB): Cleveland State, Detroit, Fort Wayne, Green Bay, IUPUI, Milwaukee, NKU, Oakland, UIC, WIU, Wright State, YSU

* = FB-only

It would be Summit League football but they'd also take in the MVFC schools to make a 12 school league.

This is not plausible. You'd have YSU in the same conference as Northern Colorado? And how exactly would the Summit "take over" the MVFC? As noted, the Summit has only 5 schools out of the 11 MVFC schools. If Northern Colorado joins the Summit and the MVFC foolishly takes in their FB program, that's still only 6 Summit schools among 12 MVFC schools. They're not taking over the MVFC that way.

Summit League teams might get more teams in the MVFC but they aren't changing the name. MVC name > Summit. They all like the branding they get with it. Northern Colorado makes a bunch of sense for the Summit. Besides the MVFC is not a real conference anyways, its just a scheduling alliance.