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(12-05-2017 01:48 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:05 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:23 AM)mac Wrote:  The word that was on here a thousand pages back via an ODU assistant coach was that they would probably most likely get a JUCO, transfer or graduate transfer Center with the last slot. So we might not anything till spring/summer. Plus they are looking overseas.

WOW! Another guy for 1 year. That'll put the program on a solid footing!

Everyone has grad transfers these days. Programs far stronger than ODU have used them to great success. They serve a purpose. Adding the wrong ones hurt, but that can be said of any kind of recruit.

Maybe we can get a 5th year guy who doesn't play the appropriate defense to sit on the end of the bench with our freshmen who don't play the appropriate defense.

(12-05-2017 01:58 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'm really frustrated by the turn this season is taking. I was excited by the recent recruiting classes coming in and by the faster, looser style the team was playing the first few games. I was really impressed by the major improvement in Haynes' offensive game and the greater consistency/impact shown by BJ and Porter. I thought maybe, just maybe, JJ had turned a corner and was adapting his style.

Then the wheels came off.

The trip to WM looks like it was a reversion to the "old JJ-style" ball. We couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from the free throw line. The Tribe was torching us every time down the court in the 2nd half and we didn't switch our defensive scheme once (at least not for more than a trip) to throw them off their rhythm. And JJ just glowered on the sideline and coughed. If we would have made only 25% of our free throws, we would have won that game despite everything else. You can blame the players, but when free throw shooting is a continual problem year in and year out, no matter who is on the roster, I look at the coaching.

Then, against VCU we entered a major scoring drought and were running out of gas. Yet JJ left his young, high-scoring threat parked on the end of the bench collecting dust. Presumably, because he feared Hueitt's defense wasn't up to snuff. Even though we were behind and were guaranteed a loss without some scoring. That seems bizarre to me. At a minimum, it's foolish.

As a coach, you have two options. You either recruit players that fit your preferred system, or you adapt your system to fit the players you recruited. That's the inescapable truth. There is no point in recruiting offense if you don't value the offensive game enough to accept some lapses in defense.

One of the assistants has to kick Jones in the nuts and read him the riot act. At this point of the season, any hope of an at-large bid is a pipe dream. He might as well try something different. Loosen things up for the team, work the young players into the rotation early and often, have some fun. At a minimum, it would be more entertaining to watch and energize the crowd.

Or, he can stick to his same-old dial-up internet era basketball scheme and guide our once proud program to another season of high mediocrity and a CBI bid. Won't that be exciting!!!! Meanwhile, good seats at the Ted will become easier and easier to find.

Very well stated MD Monarch and pretty much to the letter exactly how I feel about the matter myself.

One of the main things I will be looking for tomorrow night in the home game against Richmond is to see if both Godwin and Hueitt get tangible minutes. I'll be shaking my head in utter disbelief if after the game the answer to that ends up being no. Oh, I believe it could happen. I just don't believe that it would be good coaching if it did.

(12-05-2017 02:34 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 01:58 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'm really frustrated by the turn this season is taking. I was excited by the recent recruiting classes coming in and by the faster, looser style the team was playing the first few games. I was really impressed by the major improvement in Haynes' offensive game and the greater consistency/impact shown by BJ and Porter. I thought maybe, just maybe, JJ had turned a corner and was adapting his style.

Then the wheels came off.

The trip to WM looks like it was a reversion to the "old JJ-style" ball. We couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from the free throw line. The Tribe was torching us every time down the court in the 2nd half and we didn't switch our defensive scheme once (at least not for more than a trip) to throw them off their rhythm. And JJ just glowered on the sideline and coughed. If we would have made only 25% of our free throws, we would have won that game despite everything else. You can blame the players, but when free throw shooting is a continual problem year in and year out, no matter who is on the roster, I look at the coaching.

Then, against VCU we entered a major scoring drought and were running out of gas. Yet JJ left his young, high-scoring threat parked on the end of the bench collecting dust. Presumably, because he feared Hueitt's defense wasn't up to snuff. Even though we were behind and were guaranteed a loss without some scoring. That seems bizarre to me. At a minimum, it's foolish.

As a coach, you have two options. You either recruit players that fit your preferred system, or you adapt your system to fit the players you recruited. That's the inescapable truth. There is no point in recruiting offense if you don't value the offensive game enough to accept some lapses in defense.

One of the assistants has to kick Jones in the nuts and read him the riot act. At this point of the season, any hope of an at-large bid is a pipe dream. He might as well try something different. Loosen things up for the team, work the young players into the rotation early and often, have some fun. At a minimum, it would be more entertaining to watch and energize the crowd.

Or, he can stick to his same-old dial-up internet era basketball scheme and guide our once proud program to another season of high mediocrity and a CBI bid. Won't that be exciting!!!! Meanwhile, good seats at the Ted will become easier and easier to find.

Very well stated MD Monarch and pretty much to the letter exactly how I feel about the matter myself.

One of the main things I will be looking for tomorrow night in the home game against Richmond is to see if both Godwin and Hueitt get tangible minutes. I'll be shaking my head in utter disbelief if after the game the answer to that ends up being no. Oh, I believe it could happen. I just don't believe that it would be good coaching if it did.

I doubt it will happen. Richmond is terrible, so we should have a decent lead which will present JJ with an opportunity to quiet the criticisms about not playing MH and MG.

Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

(12-05-2017 04:31 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

I missed any interviews. Was this the reasoning Jones said?

(12-05-2017 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:31 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

I missed any interviews. Was this the reasoning Jones said?

I dont know, I am just going off of the assumptions here that he is not up to par defensively

It was clear we were going to lose the game. Shoulda let him hoist up a few.

(12-05-2017 05:02 PM)jasdf Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:31 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

I missed any interviews. Was this the reasoning Jones said?

I dont know, I am just going off of the assumptions here that he is not up to par defensively

It was clear we were going to lose the game. Shoulda let him hoist up a few.

Yes, he's not on par on defense. Unfortunately, the reports from practices is that he's currently only a spot shooter at the D1 level. He still needs a lot of work on his speed, working off the dribble, and working without the ball. I don't fault his current position out of the rotation if he can't help on either end of the floor.

Hueitt on the other hand is reported to continuing to show improvements. His area of improvement is his mental focus, not spacing out every other possession leaving a 4v5 situation on both ends of the floor. I'd imagine seeing him more into the rotation moving forward if he continue to improve with this.

(12-05-2017 04:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:34 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 01:58 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I'm really frustrated by the turn this season is taking. I was excited by the recent recruiting classes coming in and by the faster, looser style the team was playing the first few games. I was really impressed by the major improvement in Haynes' offensive game and the greater consistency/impact shown by BJ and Porter. I thought maybe, just maybe, JJ had turned a corner and was adapting his style.

Then the wheels came off.

The trip to WM looks like it was a reversion to the "old JJ-style" ball. We couldn't throw the ball in the ocean from the free throw line. The Tribe was torching us every time down the court in the 2nd half and we didn't switch our defensive scheme once (at least not for more than a trip) to throw them off their rhythm. And JJ just glowered on the sideline and coughed. If we would have made only 25% of our free throws, we would have won that game despite everything else. You can blame the players, but when free throw shooting is a continual problem year in and year out, no matter who is on the roster, I look at the coaching.

Then, against VCU we entered a major scoring drought and were running out of gas. Yet JJ left his young, high-scoring threat parked on the end of the bench collecting dust. Presumably, because he feared Hueitt's defense wasn't up to snuff. Even though we were behind and were guaranteed a loss without some scoring. That seems bizarre to me. At a minimum, it's foolish.

As a coach, you have two options. You either recruit players that fit your preferred system, or you adapt your system to fit the players you recruited. That's the inescapable truth. There is no point in recruiting offense if you don't value the offensive game enough to accept some lapses in defense.

One of the assistants has to kick Jones in the nuts and read him the riot act. At this point of the season, any hope of an at-large bid is a pipe dream. He might as well try something different. Loosen things up for the team, work the young players into the rotation early and often, have some fun. At a minimum, it would be more entertaining to watch and energize the crowd.

Or, he can stick to his same-old dial-up internet era basketball scheme and guide our once proud program to another season of high mediocrity and a CBI bid. Won't that be exciting!!!! Meanwhile, good seats at the Ted will become easier and easier to find.

Very well stated MD Monarch and pretty much to the letter exactly how I feel about the matter myself.

One of the main things I will be looking for tomorrow night in the home game against Richmond is to see if both Godwin and Hueitt get tangible minutes. I'll be shaking my head in utter disbelief if after the game the answer to that ends up being no. Oh, I believe it could happen. I just don't believe that it would be good coaching if it did.

I doubt it will happen. Richmond is terrible, so we should have a decent lead which will present JJ with an opportunity to quiet the criticisms about not playing MH and MG.

This is going to be a very close game...don't get too cocky

Shaka has invaded VCU with his Longhorns and is taking his toys back.


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Hold on ... VCU just went on a run like they did against us. Toy take back is in jeopardy.


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Hats off to VCU. 21 point turnaround in 11 minutes.

(12-05-2017 08:53 PM)mac Wrote:  Hats off to VCU. 21 point turnaround in 11 minutes.

Similar to our turnaround against temple

I know it's all about the W's but this is a great article about JJ.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...cbbe5.html

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(12-05-2017 09:45 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  I know it's all about the W's but this is a great article about JJ.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...cbbe5.html

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Great article and yes a great dude ...

(12-05-2017 05:17 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:02 PM)jasdf Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:31 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

I missed any interviews. Was this the reasoning Jones said?

I dont know, I am just going off of the assumptions here that he is not up to par defensively

It was clear we were going to lose the game. Shoulda let him hoist up a few.

Yes, he's not on par on defense. Unfortunately, the reports from practices is that he's currently only a spot shooter at the D1 level. He still needs a lot of work on his speed, working off the dribble, and working without the ball. I don't fault his current position out of the rotation if he can't help on either end of the floor.

Hueitt on the other hand is reported to continuing to show improvements. His area of improvement is his mental focus, not spacing out every other possession leaving a 4v5 situation on both ends of the floor. I'd imagine seeing him more into the rotation moving forward if he continue to improve with this.

There is plenty of room in college basketball for spot up shooters.

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(12-05-2017 09:45 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  I know it's all about the W's but this is a great article about JJ.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...cbbe5.html

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Glad he's recovering, still don't want him as our coach.

Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the college basketball business........lol

(12-05-2017 10:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:17 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:02 PM)jasdf Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 04:31 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Playing them with a comfortable lead will not silence the criticism when the real issue is that they sat when they could have helped us. I don't care how old or skinny the kid is. The basketball goal doesn't get any shorter or closer as you age. It's there, let godwin find it like he knows how. Worried about defense in a 20+ to 4 scoring run. Come the f on.

I missed any interviews. Was this the reasoning Jones said?

I dont know, I am just going off of the assumptions here that he is not up to par defensively

It was clear we were going to lose the game. Shoulda let him hoist up a few.

Yes, he's not on par on defense. Unfortunately, the reports from practices is that he's currently only a spot shooter at the D1 level. He still needs a lot of work on his speed, working off the dribble, and working without the ball. I don't fault his current position out of the rotation if he can't help on either end of the floor.

Hueitt on the other hand is reported to continuing to show improvements. His area of improvement is his mental focus, not spacing out every other possession leaving a 4v5 situation on both ends of the floor. I'd imagine seeing him more into the rotation moving forward if he continue to improve with this.

There is plenty of room in college basketball for spot up shooters.

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Plenty of room for spot up shooters who suck at defense?

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Its hard for us to judge Hueitt because we just haven't seen him much. If he's lighting it up in practice and the staff is still refusing to play him, we have issues. Do people really think this is going on?

I have nothing against spot up shooters. But, they still have to provide more on offense than they give up on defense. As fans, we haven't seen enough to know. I would hope the staff does.

Vcu is getting absolutely smacked and will soon be 5-5.

Our scoring drought against them is all the more puzzling when you consider they aren't even a good defensive team this year.

(12-09-2017 04:54 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Vcu is getting absolutely smacked and will soon be 5-5.

Our scoring drought against them is all the more puzzling when you consider they aren't even a good defensive team this year.

90 - 67... Ouch