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RE: Surprised this board is silent on Fisher to A&M rumors
(11-29-2017 07:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(11-28-2017 09:52 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I think Willie Taggart is the hottest name, but I also think they'll take a shot at Frost. I don't think Frost is out of the question even though he turned down UF and is supposedly earmarked to Nebraska.

After than, Norvell would probably be a candidate. Maybe Brohm, not sure about that fit. I thought Chad Morris' name would come up, but maybe he hasn't done enough yet. I don't fully understand Gary Patterson's contract situation, but that's probably the "biggest" name that's an outside possibility.

Would FSU be willing to try to outbid Penn State for Franklin? Too expensive?
What about up-and-comer Matt Campbell at Iowa State? Too unproven?

Franklin isn't the answer, but his OC is. Joe Morehead would do a sensational job at FSU. But I'm hoping Morehead stays at Penn State just until Dino Babers wears out his welcome in Upstate NY.

Morehead was announced to Mississippi State tonight and Campbell has signed a contract extension with raise at Iowa State.

Mississippi State seems to know what they are doing.

Just as important, they seem to know who they are, and are comfortable with that.
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RE: Surprised this board is silent on Fisher to A&M rumors
What's Fisher going to do when FSU calls Sexton's bluff and says "You should probably take the offer A&M gave you."?
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Regardless of what Fisher does.... I don't see FSU down to long, but IT's all about the coach. Now don't go hire a "big name" just for big name sake. I would rather hire the right guy regardless of name and more about "FIT".

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RE: Surprised this board is silent on Fisher to A&M rumors
This may involve more than just FSU fans on this board...along with Taggart, Justin Fuente is the other name emerging as a Fisher replacement.

FSU generally handles things pretty tight lipped, because there aren't a ton of busy-body boosters who have bought access in, so I'm guessing if his name is emerging, Fuente hasn't totally rebuffed interest. I'm not saying he would go, but maybe he's at least listening.

I have to imagine that after dealing with Fisher for a decade, the grace with which Justin Fuente navigated a potentially prickly transition in Blacksburg must have FSU officials attention.
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RE: Surprised this board is silent on Fisher to A&M rumors
If you want to hear a shitshow, the Jimbo Fisher call-in show is still scheduled to air tonight.

They're usually pretty heavily screened , but who knows at this point.
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Bad play call, Jimbo. You went the chucklehead route: 'I don't comment on jobs; why does the press always start trouble like this?' That's not the play to run in that situation.

Last year your university made a long-term commitment to you. You promptly rewarded that vote of confidence with the kind of disappointment every employer dreads who signs off on a long-term commitment.

The right call in that situation is to emphasise your recent victory, put the season's bad news in the past, and tell all the potential recruits out there that the best hat anyone can put on is the hat you're wearing at that instant.

But you called the same old play you ran last time and got stuffed in the backfield.

What now, quarterback? Ready to move those chains? Or punt?

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Couple of decommitments tonight. If he's not gone in the next 48 hours, he's managed to shoot himself fatally in the dick.
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(11-27-2017 05:42 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  What is there to say? Us FSU fans go through this every year. It's Jimbo Circus fatigue at this point...being held up for more money by Jimbo and Jimmy Sexton has literally been an annual occurrence since even before we originally hired him as offensive coordinator.

I'm fine if he wants to stay. I'm fine if he goes. We might might go into a decade-long tailspin if he goes. We might go into decade long tailspin if he stays. There are no guarantees in this game, see UF in the post-Meyer era, with all the resources in the world.

I don't begrudge him an ounce for looking at other jobs, maximizing his leverage, etc. If he wants to go, I'll tip my hat and thank him...this isn't Lane Kiffin bolting to USC after a year. Fisher has more than delivered on his part of the bargain.

However, I'm about sick of the public game he and Billy Sexton play in public every year. I'm sure it damages recruiting when your coach literally will never commit to being at a school longer than the end of the sentence he is currently uttering. It's got to make it harder to recruit assistants. You would think a guaranteed $45M contract, if it doesn't buy actual loyalty, would at least buy not having this public display literally every year.

And I'm actually a little pissed about it this year. Business is business...but currently Jimbo has plenty on his plate:
1) Recruiting, especially with an early signing period. We've got no QB in the class and no prospects, and have made literally no recruiting noise for months. Even if he stays, this will be a lost year in recruiting
2) A change up of nearly his entire staff. Jimbo needs to replace and recruit up to at least 7-8 members of his staff at some point post season
3) Prepare for another game to gain bowl eligibility and avoid ending one of the longest streaks of all time
4) Continue to develop a promising but true freshman QB

In other words, there is a LOT on his plate for FSU, particularly this week, and he's dedicating focus to this A&M courtship and how to squeeze more money out of FSU. I've got a problem with that. If you can't forego the game in this particular situation, when you're 5-6, and commit to the issues at hand, that's a real disservice. At this point, I'll actually have more respect for him if he leaves than if wrangles a couple more frozen yogurt machines out of the administration and he stays. If the guys leaves because he's just ready to go...fine.

I'm absolutely happy to have him back, I don't want him to go, but I think this constant game is ultimately going to continue to affect what are already diminishing returns. You can't tell me it doesn't affect recruiting, especially with a brand new coach in UF and Richt in Miami that won't be the subject of hot seat rumors any time soon. We got a break by Golden/Muschamp/McElwain fiascos that meant even with a wandering eye Jimbo looked like the most stable coach in the state. Those days are gone.

I hope the administration doesn't budge this time to just buy him for another 12 months, and he he should do whatever is actually in his heart at this point, either way.

My gut feeling is he's gone. As much as his leverage is decreasing with FSU, he's got to start to be losing credibility with the other sides of his little menage a trois every year. A&M sources are reporting him signed sealed and delivered...three straight years of basically leading people to believe they had a deal only to leave them at the altar has to eventually diminish him and Sexton's credibility. How many more times is he going to draw suitors to that well? I think he probably has to go at this point.

Bravo, Bravo, my feelings EXACTLY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
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RE: Surprised this board is silent on Fisher to A&M rumors
(11-29-2017 04:21 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  This may involve more than just FSU fans on this board...along with Taggart, Justin Fuente is the other name emerging as a Fisher replacement.

FSU generally handles things pretty tight lipped, because there aren't a ton of busy-body boosters who have bought access in, so I'm guessing if his name is emerging, Fuente hasn't totally rebuffed interest. I'm not saying he would go, but maybe he's at least listening.

I have to imagine that after dealing with Fisher for a decade, the grace with which Justin Fuente navigated a potentially prickly transition in Blacksburg must have FSU officials attention.

I would honestly be shocked if Fuente takes the FSU job. Not going to say it won't happen, but I just don't see it.

Fuente is a pretty private guy and doesn't particularly like dealing with the media. It's not like the spotlight is extremely bright in southwest Virginia, but even still he can be a little testy with the press there. I can't imagine the situation would be better in Tallahassee where the expectations are even higher.

I think he also really enjoys working for Whit Babcock. Whit has been a really good athletic director in his short time at VT and he's received praise across the board. All of the coaches he's hired have gone out of their way to make it known they love working for him. He's also been very receptive to listening to the coaches - if they need something and the request is reasonable, it gets done.

Babcock also is aware that Fuente is a hot name, and just addressed this in the past couple days with David Teel:

Quote:During an interview in his office Tuesday night prior to Tech’s basketball victory over Iowa, I asked Babcock how he approaches coaches that others might pursue.

“You’re trying to stress me out,” he said with a smile. “I don’t have a manual for that. I know Justin is really good, and I’m thrilled with his work. The fit here is very good. He seems very happy. It does not mean we’ll take him for granted. He and I will visit in the next couple weeks and talk about the future and vision and all that.

“I just believe he really likes it here. I also know him well enough that if there were anything there, I really truly believe he would tell me. You never want to have your head in the sand — I just trust both he and Buzz. … I think they would expect the same for me. That’s a two-way street.”

Indeed, like Fuente, fourth-year Hokies basketball coach Buzz Williams is young (45) and successful, and he’s been linked to vacancies such as Oklahoma State and Texas Christian. In concert with his bosses — university president Tim Sands and the Board of Visitors — Babcock has proactively enhanced compensation for both of his marquee coaches.

Fuente, who is represented by New York-based agent Jordan Bazant, signed a contract extension last year, through 2023, and is guaranteed $3.4 million in 2018. Williams’ most recent deal, signed in July 2016, also runs through the 2023 season — he is guaranteed $2.7 million this season.

“I don’t believe Virginia Tech takes a back seat to anybody,” Babcock said. “I really and truly don’t. What can we not accomplish here? And how much money do you need? Basketball coach, football coach, AD, anybody. It can take the edge off, but it can’t buy happiness, I don’t think.

“This is a really good place to be. We have hopefully a decent athletic director. We have a president that cares and a board that certainly does their job. But the horror stories that you hear at other places — I’m just thankful to be here, and I think Justin and Buzz understand all that, too.”

Like any school, Virginia Tech has its share of unreasonable fans. But overall, Hokies faithful don’t approach the delusional bases elsewhere.

“Shoot, you never know,” Babcock said. “I just trust those guys that we’d be able to talk about it. We certainly love having them here. There is certainly no two in the country I’d trade them for. No way.”

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(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?
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(12-01-2017 02:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?

Not a name on that list is acceptable. Venables the most intriguing. Jimbo, Smart aside...coordinators do not have a great track record at major programs.
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(12-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 02:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?

Not a name on that list is acceptable. Venables the most intriguing. Jimbo, Smart aside...coordinators do not have a great track record at major programs.
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(12-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 02:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?

Not a name on that list is acceptable. Venables the most intriguing. Jimbo, Smart aside...coordinators do not have a great track record at major programs.

Very uneducated response....most coaches were coordinators or assistants at one point. Not sure where you are getting your info

Mark Richt, Bob Stoops, Jimbo, Nick Saban, they were all coordinators before becoming a head coach

You are nuts if you don't think the names on that list could deliver winning seasons to FSU. The talent level here is incredibly high, it doesn't take much to win

Jimbo got by with horrible O-line play, inconsitent defense, and an overly complex offense...I can only imagine what a coach with a better staff can do
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(12-01-2017 02:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?

Schiano turned a complete bottom feeder in football into a bowl winner that sent talent to the NFL...that is what I base my judgement on. I'm assuming Ohio State and Meyer agree with me on that issue

...and you think he is a bad coach?
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FSU should sign Frost before Nebraska does. I don't think McElwain, Sumlin or Strong would be bad options either.


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(12-01-2017 04:34 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 03:05 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 02:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Serious question: Why would you wish Schiano on any ACC school?

Not a name on that list is acceptable. Venables the most intriguing. Jimbo, Smart aside...coordinators do not have a great track record at major programs.

Very uneducated response....most coaches were coordinators or assistants at one point. Not sure where you are getting your info

Mark Richt, Bob Stoops, Jimbo, Nick Saban, they were all coordinators before becoming a head coach

You are nuts if you don't think the names on that list could deliver winning seasons to FSU. The talent level here is incredibly high, it doesn't take much to win

Jimbo got by with horrible O-line play, inconsitent defense, and an overly complex offense...I can only imagine what a coach with a better staff can do

C'mon, you know what I mean. Coordinators getting their first head job at a very top program. Obviously most coaches spend time as a coordinator.

FSU doesn't need to be Venables' or Canada's first job.

I like Dino, but he hasn't shown he's up to FSU yet...and he's not quite as young as they'd like.

And Schiano, come on. There's a reason why nobody wants the guy, except his buddy buddy Haslem at Tennessee. And that's especially not going to fly in Florida, where they had a front row seat to his sh-- show with the Bucs.
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(11-28-2017 05:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I hope Jimbo goes....please take Jimbo

He's incredibly overrated, and his staff is awful....

There's plenty of coaches out there that could win with FSU's talent level....

Matt Canada
Greg Schiano
Brent Venables
Dino Babers
Kevin Sumlin

Hell, maybe even Lane Kiffen or Steve Sarkisian

FSU oozes talent, it's not hard to win there if you know what you're doing

Greg (Gerg) Robinson and Scott Shafer were also coordinators. FSU is a program that can poach coaches away from most programs. No need for them to experiment with coordinators. Also, no need for FSU to hire retreads like Greg Schiano, who is not a bad coach, but average at best. Babers has not proven that he can be successful in a P5 league.
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I've seen Willie Taggert 's name a lot. Obviously a good coach, and I assume a good recruiter as well? Plus pulling from Oregon would get everyone's attention...
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