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(11-27-2017 10:57 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  
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Quote:Rice athletics director Joe Karlgaard has hired Turnkey Search, based in New Jersey, to assist him in hiring the Owls next head football coach: "I've just been very impressed with the job that they've done with recent AD and football searches. That being said, make no mistake, that I am leading this search. We are using Turnkey as a consultant. They're going to help us with various aspects of this search, but this is a search that will be run by me."

This almost implies they've only just started the search, which is more than a little disappointing.

I agree. if JK has not been on phone for last three months, it is too late.

Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.
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(11-27-2017 10:58 AM)WIowl Wrote:  I am surprised that it was not a retirement announcement, but a firing. I thought they would give Bailiff that option.

Maybe they did.

I would also guess that the search started a while back. It's just not politic to say "Oh I made up my mind to fire him six months ago" even if true - or especially if true.
11-27-2017 11:01 AM
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I've heard JK has been in contact with Jon Gruden. Gruden is a long time family friend of JK and is itching for a new challenge. Maybe Rice is it??
11-27-2017 11:02 AM
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RE: Rice Football Head Coach Search
(11-27-2017 10:45 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
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(11-27-2017 10:31 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  This article names a few candidates.
Quote:Among the candidates expected to get consideration for the Rice vacancy are Stanford defensive coordinator Lance Anderson as well as Cardinal offensive coordinator Mike Bloomgren and South Carolina OC Kurt Roper, a former Owls player. Navy OC Ivin Jasper is also expected to be a strong candidate, but it’s uncertain whether he’d leave his current job for it.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...id-Bailiff

Now I like that name.

...really? I mean, he's used to working with recruiting restrictions, so he has that going for him, but I'd dread seeing Rice run a Flexbone offense, and not in the way you want a UH fan to dread seeing Rice.

Yeah, I mean...especially since the spread has been working so well for us, right?

There's a reason Navy competes on a yearly basis with some of the P5 teams. That offense is extremely difficult to defend especially when everyone else runs the spread and you literally have 4-5 days to prepare for it. I'd LOVE to see Rice get back to a flexbone type offense (i.e. GT, Navy, etc). Plus, you don't have to have the 5 star athletes to be effective running it.

Different is sometimes really advantageous.

Different can be advantageous, but I'm not convinced the Flexbone is as different as it used to be, if that makes sense. With Georgia Southern, New Mexico, and Tulane all running some form of a spread option attack, and a handful of other teams running Pistol schemes that show a lot of option looks, teams are spending a lot more time preparing to defend the option than they did before.

It's also worth noting that Georgia Tech -- which is likely a much better analogue for Rice than the Service Academies are, given their academic stature and lack of physique-based recruiting restrictions -- has been hot and cold with the Flexbone, despite having almost inarguably the greatest Flexbone coach of a generation in Paul Johnson.
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(11-27-2017 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:57 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:47 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:45 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  
Quote:Rice athletics director Joe Karlgaard has hired Turnkey Search, based in New Jersey, to assist him in hiring the Owls next head football coach: "I've just been very impressed with the job that they've done with recent AD and football searches. That being said, make no mistake, that I am leading this search. We are using Turnkey as a consultant. They're going to help us with various aspects of this search, but this is a search that will be run by me."

This almost implies they've only just started the search, which is more than a little disappointing.

I agree. if JK has not been on phone for last three months, it is too late.

Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.

Seems reasonably clear that he's taking full responsibility for the hire. If he wants or needs advice I don't have a problem with him getting some - far better that than to be too proud to do so.
11-27-2017 11:05 AM
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The fact that we hired ******* Gene DeFillipo to run our coaching search gives me no hope.

This is the guy who hired Frank Spaziani at BC and wanted to disband college hockey’s best program.
11-27-2017 11:08 AM
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RE: Rice Football Head Coach Search
(11-27-2017 11:04 AM)T-Moar Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:45 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:40 AM)T-Moar Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:35 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:31 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  This article names a few candidates.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...id-Bailiff

Now I like that name.

...really? I mean, he's used to working with recruiting restrictions, so he has that going for him, but I'd dread seeing Rice run a Flexbone offense, and not in the way you want a UH fan to dread seeing Rice.

Yeah, I mean...especially since the spread has been working so well for us, right?

There's a reason Navy competes on a yearly basis with some of the P5 teams. That offense is extremely difficult to defend especially when everyone else runs the spread and you literally have 4-5 days to prepare for it. I'd LOVE to see Rice get back to a flexbone type offense (i.e. GT, Navy, etc). Plus, you don't have to have the 5 star athletes to be effective running it.

Different is sometimes really advantageous.

Different can be advantageous, but I'm not convinced the Flexbone is as different as it used to be, if that makes sense. With Georgia Southern, New Mexico, and Tulane all running some form of a spread option attack, and a handful of other teams running Pistol schemes that show a lot of option looks, teams are spending a lot more time preparing to defend the option than they did before.

It's also worth noting that Georgia Tech -- which is likely a much better analogue for Rice than the Service Academies are, given their academic stature and lack of physique-based recruiting restrictions -- has been hot and cold with the Flexbone, despite having almost inarguably the greatest Flexbone coach of a generation in Paul Johnson.

Ok so if you think GT is a better analogue for Rice than the Academies (I disagree) then you're telling me you wouldn't take 8 bowl games the last 10 years? And, yes, a lot of teams run some sort of option out of the spread. However, running the option out of the spread and running the flexbone are 2 totally different things. Again, there's a reason the service academies still run the option...and they still beat people.
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(11-27-2017 11:05 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:57 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:47 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:45 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  

This almost implies they've only just started the search, which is more than a little disappointing.

I agree. if JK has not been on phone for last three months, it is too late.

Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.

Seems reasonably clear that he's taking full responsibility for the hire. If he wants or needs advice I don't have a problem with him getting some - far better that than to be too proud to do so.

In thinking about this a bit more, it's possible the search firm was hired awhile back and has been conducting feelers for the past month or so. It's one way to keep the search quiet and under the table, especially while the regular season is still going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already gone through the first or second round of filtering out candidates, and it's now time for JK and others to engage in the actual interview process.
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I've said it before... It's not the flexbone that makes a winner... It's the execution and the football discipline that wins... I don't care what kind of coach is hired or what kind of system he runs.... Just hire a guy that is about execution... Get good at something. If it's the veer, great... Hire a guy that will pay attention to the details of execution, physicality, and ball security. Not a "be careful so we don't lose ugly" or " we lost ugly because we are young" guy..... #ABO
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A name to keep an eye on in Rice coaching search: UCF offensive coordinator Troy Walters. Knights have highest scoring offense in nation. Walters has Stanford ties.
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(11-27-2017 11:10 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:05 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:57 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:47 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  This almost implies they've only just started the search, which is more than a little disappointing.

I agree. if JK has not been on phone for last three months, it is too late.

Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.

Seems reasonably clear that he's taking full responsibility for the hire. If he wants or needs advice I don't have a problem with him getting some - far better that than to be too proud to do so.

In thinking about this a bit more, it's possible the search firm was hired awhile back and has been conducting feelers for the past month or so. It's one way to keep the search quiet and under the table, especially while the regular season is still going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already gone through the first or second round of filtering out candidates, and it's now time for JK and others to engage in the actual interview process.

That's almost certainly the case. I'm not sure why anyone else on this board thought otherwise. Some of the posts here seem to follow the theory of "Nothing else matters as long as you can manufacture an excuse to criticize."
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(11-27-2017 11:13 AM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  I've said it before... It's not the flexbone that makes a winner... It's the execution and the football discipline that wins... I don't care what kind of coach is hired or what kind of system he runs.... Just hire a guy that is about execution... Get good at something. If it's the veer, great... Hire a guy that will pay attention to the details of execution, physicality, and ball security. Not a "be careful so we don't lose ugly" or " we lost ugly because we are young" guy..... #ABO

This is spot on. As a relative neutral, though, I'd much rather see an offensive system that's a little more exciting than the Flexbone, all else being equal.
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(11-27-2017 11:33 AM)T-Moar Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:13 AM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  I've said it before... It's not the flexbone that makes a winner... It's the execution and the football discipline that wins... I don't care what kind of coach is hired or what kind of system he runs.... Just hire a guy that is about execution... Get good at something. If it's the veer, great... Hire a guy that will pay attention to the details of execution, physicality, and ball security. Not a "be careful so we don't lose ugly" or " we lost ugly because we are young" guy..... #ABO

This is spot on. As a relative neutral, though, I'd much rather see an offensive system that's a little more exciting than the Flexbone, all else being equal.

Scoring points is exciting. Winning is exciting. I don't care if it comes on the ground or through the air.

Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a parent who said "Coach, I'd rather you throw it 40 times a game than running it all the time." I replied, "Well, if we did that we'd lose." He said, "But at least it would be more exciting."

We were 9-0 at that point.
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(11-27-2017 11:21 AM)dragon2owl Wrote:  
Quote:Joseph Duarte‏Verified account
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A name to keep an eye on in Rice coaching search: UCF offensive coordinator Troy Walters. Knights have highest scoring offense in nation. Walters has Stanford ties.

The UCF OC may become the UCF head coach if Frost goes to Nebraska or another school.
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(11-27-2017 11:22 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:10 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:05 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:57 AM)ETx Owl Wrote:  I agree. if JK has not been on phone for last three months, it is too late.

Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.

Seems reasonably clear that he's taking full responsibility for the hire. If he wants or needs advice I don't have a problem with him getting some - far better that than to be too proud to do so.

In thinking about this a bit more, it's possible the search firm was hired awhile back and has been conducting feelers for the past month or so. It's one way to keep the search quiet and under the table, especially while the regular season is still going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already gone through the first or second round of filtering out candidates, and it's now time for JK and others to engage in the actual interview process.

That's almost certainly the case. I'm not sure why anyone else on this board thought otherwise. Some of the posts here seem to follow the theory of "Nothing else matters as long as you can manufacture an excuse to criticize."

History. Last year we thought there must be a secret search and all that. Then we find out he's coming back.

So skepticism is understandable. Fool us once...
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(11-27-2017 11:44 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:22 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:10 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:05 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Typical administrative CYA. Let's pay a "search firm" for "consultation" but "I am making the decision."

If it doesn't work out, he can always say he got bad advice.

How about "consulting" with established coaches in the profession for free by picking up the phone at some point over the past several months?

JK is rapidly losing my faith as a competent administrator.

Seems reasonably clear that he's taking full responsibility for the hire. If he wants or needs advice I don't have a problem with him getting some - far better that than to be too proud to do so.

In thinking about this a bit more, it's possible the search firm was hired awhile back and has been conducting feelers for the past month or so. It's one way to keep the search quiet and under the table, especially while the regular season is still going on. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already gone through the first or second round of filtering out candidates, and it's now time for JK and others to engage in the actual interview process.

That's almost certainly the case. I'm not sure why anyone else on this board thought otherwise. Some of the posts here seem to follow the theory of "Nothing else matters as long as you can manufacture an excuse to criticize."

History. Last year we thought there must be a secret search and all that. Then we find out he's coming back.

So skepticism is understandable. Fool us once...

Depending on which rumor of last year you believe, JK may indeed have been quietly looking around. If so, then last year illustrates perfectly why it's wise not to make any early public statements.

In any case, this year is obviously different than last year.
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(11-27-2017 10:48 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Outsider here - I know many here will call me a jerk, but there is only one phone call to make. Call Kendall Briles. He can then bring Art in as the OC.

Why would we want to do that when Greg Schiano is available?
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(11-27-2017 12:09 PM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 10:48 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Outsider here - I know many here will call me a jerk, but there is only one phone call to make. Call Kendall Briles. He can then bring Art in as the OC.

Why would we want to do that when Greg Schiano is available?

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(11-27-2017 11:38 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a parent who said "Coach, I'd rather you throw it 40 times a game than running it all the time." I replied, "Well, if we did that we'd lose." He said, "But at least it would be more exciting."

I don't know why people think incomplete passes are exciting.
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The other question is - what is the state of internal politics at Rice? As in, was this a move that JK made with support from the BOT/boosters or did he finally put his foot down and say me or him? This could alter the outcome in lots of ways - like is the 25(0) now firmly behind Karlgaard or is there lingering resentment that their chosen candidate just got kicked to the curb?
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