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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
NCAA now uses both systems for information. They really measure different things. RPI does not care if you won by 50 point or 1 point. Miami's 4 division 1 victories include a double over time win, an overtime win, a win where we were down a point and scored with 3 seconds to go, and a 4 point win. In RPI Miami gets full credit for winning those games, just like we had won by 20. In Pomeroy they are looking at all kinds of statistical data to measure differences between teams. Pomeroy would probably judge the 4 games that Miami won as basically 50/50 games, RPI would rank them as 100/0 games.

Miami's next game is at Missouri, which was #4 in RPI last night. We will probably get blown out, but it won't hurt our RPI (might even help it). If we do get blown out, that would be used against us in the Pomeroy rankings.

The other big factor in RPI is you are rewarded for road wins. Miami has 2 division 1 road wins and 1 neutral court win. So Yes, I think we are over rated in RPI, but probably under rated in Pomeroy. Winning away from home is tough and should be rewarded.
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
Here the first RPI Rankings from the NCAA

81 Buffalo
96 Toledo
98 Central Michigan
160 Miami
192 BG
196 Ball St
202 Western Michigan
258 Akron
260 Kent State
275 Eastern Michigan
284 Ohio
288 Northern Illinois
12-04-2017 01:59 PM
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
(12-04-2017 01:59 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  Here the first RPI Rankings from the NCAA

81 Buffalo
96 Toledo
98 Central Michigan
160 Miami
192 BG
196 Ball St
202 Western Michigan
258 Akron
260 Kent State
275 Eastern Michigan
284 Ohio
288 Northern Illinois

And today's Sagarins...

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sa...onference/

The level of agreement between these two ranking system is... 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle

I just happened to note a few where the discrepancies are very dramatic : EMU, Ohio and Miami. Probably a bunch more.
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
A quick summary

102 Buffalo 76.07
138 Toledo 73.35
139 W Michigan 73.31
144 Ohio 72.97
150 Ball State 72.62
159 E Michigan 72.15
169 C Michigan 71.59
173 Kent St 71.45
180 Akron 70.67
187 Bowling Green 70.24
222 N Illinois 68.08
288 Miami 64.16

12 MAC WEST 71.08
13 MAC EAST 72.13
12-05-2017 01:27 AM
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
Here are my current rankings through 12/4. Buffalo the clear class of the MAC so far.

http://godawgz.com/MAC_power_rankings.htm

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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
In comparing the conference to last season, I think the MAC is as good or better this year in teams 1 to 4, but the MAC just cannot match the depth of last year, particularly when it comes to defensive numbers. Below is a comparison of 2017 to date and 2016 final rankings for the top 12 offenses, defensives, and overall ranking. A little softer in the middle this year.

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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
Updated Pomeroy rankings as of games through Dec. 7:

117 Ball State
131 Buffalo
139 Western Michigan
149 Eastern Michigan
161 Ohio
166 Toledo
175 Central Michigan
193 Akron
196 Kent State
214 Bowling Green
248 Northern Illinois
304 Miami
12-08-2017 07:24 PM
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
And just to balance that out, here are the RPI's through Dec 8

80 Buffalo
85 CMU
91 Toledo
129 Ball State
134 Miami
188 Akron
195 WM
197 BG
214 EMU
231 NIU
247 Kent
277 Ohio

Somehow the MAC as a conference has jumped all the way up to #11.
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
(12-08-2017 10:37 PM)DICK Wrote:  And just to balance that out, here are the RPI's through Dec 8

80 Buffalo
85 CMU
91 Toledo
129 Ball State
134 Miami
188 Akron
195 WM
197 BG
214 EMU
231 NIU
247 Kent
277 Ohio

Somehow the MAC as a conference has jumped all the way up to #11.

Someone with SPSS (or similar statistical package) ought to calculate the rank order correlations between the Realtime and Sagarins.

I'd guess it would be modestly positive, say .5 or .6 (in that range).
12-09-2017 04:38 AM
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
Great days so far for the MAC, especially Ball State's win over Valpo.

Miami also took down Ft. Wayne, one of the better Summit teams in recent years. With NAIA Rio Grande up next we should be assured a winning record going into the MAC season (DePaul and OSU afterwards), I think every Redhawk hoops fan would take 7-6 going into conference play this year.
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
I still have UB as the team to beat in the MAC, but Ball State surging into 2nd in the power rankings.

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Toledo is bad
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(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

LOLz.

Bad? No. Great? No. Average? Probably.
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RE: MAC basketball Pomeroy rankings
Had some free time this morning, so....

As of 12/11:

Pomeroy Rakings
Rank - Team (SOS Rank)
116 - Ball State (21)
133 - Buffalo (108)
137 - Western Michigan (141)
150 - Eastern Michigan (310)
157 - Ohio (272)
171 - Toledo (151)
175 - Central Michigan (313)
191 - Akron (318)
199 - Kent State (306)
236 - Bowling Green (274)
249 - Northern Illinois (324)
293 - Miami-Ohio (260)


Realtimerpi (Since NCAA RPI hasn't been updated)
Rank - Team (SOS Rank)
58 - Central Michigan (231)
77 - Ball State (108)
98 - Buffalo (97)
117 - Miami-Ohio (159)
150 - Toledo (142)
168 - Akron (307)
170 - Western Michigan (198)
185 - Bowling Green (273)
203 - Northern Illinois (230)
234 - Eastern Michigan (347)
236 - Ohio (263)
266 - Kent State (302)


Sagarin Ratings
Rank - Team (SOS Rank)
88 - Central Michigan (248)
114 - Ball State (38)
119 - Buffalo (130)
162 - Western Michigan (201)
175 - Eastern Michigan (323)
177 - Ohio (253)
179 - Toledo (215)
190 - Bowling Green (251)
202 - Akron (343)
220 - Miami-Ohio (213)
231 - Northern Illinois (285)
238 - Kent State (302)


Average of 3 Rankings
Rank - Team (SOS Rank)
102.33 - Ball State (55.67)
107.00 - Central Michigan (264.00)
116.67 - Buffalo (111.67)
156.33 - Western Michigan (180.00)
166.67 - Toledo (169.33)
186.33 - Eastern Michigan (326.67)
187.00 - Akron (322.67)
190.00 - Ohio (262.67)
203.67 - Bowling Green (266)
210.00 - Miami-Ohio (210.67)
227.67 - Northern Illinois (279.67)
234.33 - Kent State (303.33)
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(12-10-2017 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

LOLz.

Bad? No. Great? No. Average? Probably.

Im predicting we will be a bottom 4 seed in Mac.
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(12-12-2017 02:14 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

LOLz.

Bad? No. Great? No. Average? Probably.

Im predicting we will be a bottom 4 seed in Mac.

Congrats. I'll predict they'll be a top 4 seed.
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Then I’ll predict they’ll be a middle four team!
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(12-12-2017 06:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 02:14 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

LOLz.

Bad? No. Great? No. Average? Probably.

Im predicting we will be a bottom 4 seed in Mac.

Congrats. I'll predict they'll be a top 4 seed.
Congrats. Then we will blow an 8 point lead under 2 minutes in the quarters to CMU and get bounced03-lmfao
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(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

07-coffee3
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(01-23-2018 09:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is bad

07-coffee3

"Is" from over a month ago does not mean "is" now. Toledo "was" bad.

Finds quote from 1928 "the economy is booming." Reads it in 1931 and MBG " 07-coffee3 "...
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