.. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

...and Blazers win!

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

(11-25-2017 09:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

Even though I think UCF should have a legit shot at a playoff spot if they win out,I'd be ok if Tuesday they could at least garner a top 6-8 ranking in the next cfp. I don't think the committee has any intention on letting them in no matter how much chaos ensues between now and then but they should get a NY6 bowl at least whether they win the AAC CCG or not. After all there are 2 extra spots this year

(11-25-2017 09:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

If we had an eight team four game playoff on New Years Day in the major bowls, we would have a deserving final four.

Alabama's biggest wins this year

1) a squeaker on the road at a 4 loss Mississippi State team
2) a two touchdown win at home vs a decent (but not dominant) 3 or 4 loss LSU team
3) a single digit win at a 4 or 5 loss Texas A&M team.

Plus, they didn't just lose today, they got comprehensively beat by Auburn.

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I don't particularly like Ohio State, but if they win out, they'll have wins over an otherwise undefeated Wisconsin team (weak record but better than any win Alabama has) and Penn State.

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Also, I think that if Auburn wins the SEC, the committee might be reluctant to set up a rematch between two teams from the same state and conference. And if Auburn loses, it makes Alabama's loss to them look worse.

Alabama has no statement wins this year. None.

(11-25-2017 09:25 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

Even though I think UCF should have a legit shot at a playoff spot if they win out,I'd be ok if Tuesday they could at least garner a top 6-8 ranking in the next cfp. I don't think the committee has any intention on letting them in no matter how much chaos

I don't expect the committee to put 13-0 UCF in the playoff either, but that's at least a coherent argument to put someone in over Alabama. SEC champ, ACC champ, undefeated Wisconsin, undefeated UCF.

It's harder to put together an argument why Ohio STate or USC or Notre Dame or the Miami-Clemson or Georgia-Auburn loser or a one-loss Wisconsin goes to the playoff instead of Alabama.

Quote: ensues between now and then but they should get a NY6 bowl at least whether they win the AAC CCG or not. After all there are 2 extra spots this year

If UCF stumbles, I don't expect the committee to show any mercy.

(11-25-2017 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Also, I think that if Auburn wins the SEC, the committee might be reluctant to set up a rematch between two teams from the same state and conference. And if Auburn loses, it makes Alabama's loss to them look worse.

Well, that's what semifinals are for. Auburn vs Oklahoma, Clemson vs Alabama, or whatever.

If Auburn loses, the committee's job gets complicated. Georgia would almost have to be in. Auburn would have wins over Alabama AND Georgia, so can you really put Alabama in and leave Auburn out? Go with the ACC champ and 3 SEC teams? (No.)

Quote:Alabama has no statement wins this year. None.

Agreed. But they also don't have what the basketball committee would call "bad losses"--Syracuse, Pitt, Iowa State, Iowa.

(11-25-2017 10:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:25 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

Even though I think UCF should have a legit shot at a playoff spot if they win out,I'd be ok if Tuesday they could at least garner a top 6-8 ranking in the next cfp. I don't think the committee has any intention on letting them in no matter how much chaos

I don't expect the committee to put 13-0 UCF in the playoff either, but that's at least a coherent argument to put someone in over Alabama. SEC champ, ACC champ, undefeated Wisconsin, undefeated UCF.

It's harder to put together an argument why Ohio STate or USC or Notre Dame or the Miami-Clemson or Georgia-Auburn loser or a one-loss Wisconsin goes to the playoff instead of Alabama.

Quote: ensues between now and then but they should get a NY6 bowl at least whether they win the AAC CCG or not. After all there are 2 extra spots this year

If UCF stumbles, I don't expect the committee to show any mercy.

I doubt UCF is getting into the top 10 no matter what they do. The committee is made up of people of a certain mind set. The committee took some very public criticism from the AAC commissioner this week. I doubt it makes a bit of difference in the blatant level of anti-G5 bias in the committee. I’m curious what 3-4 loss P5 team will jump UCF this week.

(11-25-2017 10:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 10:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:25 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

Unless you're talking about putting in UCF as the fourth team, I'm not sure who's more deserving. The SEC and ACC champs, Wisconsin if they beat Ohio State have wins over top ten teams. After that, is Oklahoma really more deserving than Alabama? Clemson, if they lose to Miami? Miami, if they lose to Clemson? Notre Dame? USC? Auburn, if they lose the rematch to Georgia? Georgia, if they lose to Auburn?

If Wisconsin loses, is Ohio State more deserving than Alabama.

Even though I think UCF should have a legit shot at a playoff spot if they win out,I'd be ok if Tuesday they could at least garner a top 6-8 ranking in the next cfp. I don't think the committee has any intention on letting them in no matter how much chaos

I don't expect the committee to put 13-0 UCF in the playoff either, but that's at least a coherent argument to put someone in over Alabama. SEC champ, ACC champ, undefeated Wisconsin, undefeated UCF.

It's harder to put together an argument why Ohio STate or USC or Notre Dame or the Miami-Clemson or Georgia-Auburn loser or a one-loss Wisconsin goes to the playoff instead of Alabama.

Quote: ensues between now and then but they should get a NY6 bowl at least whether they win the AAC CCG or not. After all there are 2 extra spots this year

If UCF stumbles, I don't expect the committee to show any mercy.

I doubt UCF is getting into the top 10 no matter what they do. The committee is made up of people of a certain mind set. The committee took some very public criticism from the AAC commissioner this week. I doubt it makes a bit of difference in the blatant level of anti-G5 bias in the committee. I’m curious what 3-4 loss P5 team will jump UCF this week.

UCF will definitely be in the top 10 when the regular season is over, probably right behind Alabama

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

What makes an Alabama loss more special unless you're an Auburn fan. I mean the #6 team beating the #1 isn't exactly Hoosiers.

(11-25-2017 10:53 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 07:43 PM)westwolf Wrote:  .. when Alabama loses.

Let's hope the CFP weasels don't wedge them in over more deserving teams.

What makes an Alabama loss more special unless you're an Auburn fan. I mean the #6 team beating the #1 isn't exactly Hoosiers.

Auburn has to beat Georgia to be in the playoffs. If they do that, they will have 2 wins versus a Georgia team that is pretty good (and has a road win over Notre Dame) and a pretty convincing win over Alabama as well. Yes they have two losses. A week one close loss to a probable 1 or at most 2 loss Clemson team on the road and a loss to a 9-3 LSU team on the road as well.

Also, Auburn appears to be playing better at year end, especially if they can beat Georgia, in Georgia, three weeks after beating them the first time.

Its not homerism to say that Auburn deserves to be there.


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And I think Auburn's reaction was rather muted. Even Barkley was like "we got this".

Auburn wins next week, they'll deserve to be in the playoffs.

Quite frankly the win vs Georgia was a better resume builder this year.
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Alabama's resume

W vs Tennessee - Tennessee beat UMass, @Georgia Tech, FCS Indiana State, and Southern Miss. Only Southern Miss will be bowling

W @ Vandy - wins @Tennessee, FCS Alabama A&M, 6-5 Kansas State, and 5 FBS win WKU.

W vs Arkansas - wins vs FCS Florida A&M, NMSU, 5 FBS win Ole Miss, and 1 FBS win Coastal Carolina at home in a squeaker

W vs Ole Miss - wins vs a 3 FBS win South Alabama team, FCS Tenn-Martin, a bad Vandy team. a 4 FBS win ULL team, a 6 win Kentucky team...and a 7 FBS win Miss State team

W vs Colorado State - 6 FBS wins against teams with a combined FBS record of 13-55 (no bowl teams)

W vs Florida State (neutral site) - 4 wins versus FBS teams....@WFU, @Duke, Syracuse, @Florida and FCS Delaware State. No wins versus teams with winning FBS records.

W vs FCS Mercer

W vs Fresno State - 2 decent wins (over Boise and SDSU) and a horrendous home loss to UNLV

W at Texas A&M (close win) - 1 win over a bowl eligible team (vs South Carolina at home)

W at Mississippi State (close win) - FBS record 6-5

W vs LSU - decent win, but LSU lost to Troy at home, as well as getting curb stomped by Miss State.

L @ Auburn - completely dominated by Auburn. .