Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

Mexico isn't all bad in truth.

The best people in Mexico are not leaving.

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

I'm all for having Demoncraps move to other countries but they won't go. Canada is still waiting.

They are sending us their worst

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(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

To assume that Mexico-US immigration is solely comprised of Mexico sending poor and uneducated people to work in the USA really doesn't reflect the reality.

First, a lot of Americans move to and live in Mexico by choice. Over a million Americans live in Mexico. That's roughly 1 percent of the entire population of Mexico. And contrary to right wing perception, the immigration process is pretty much open door. And hundreds of thousands of non-Hispanic Americans live in Mexico as well.

Here in Houston, we have lots of VERY educated and VERY well off Mexicans who choose to live here.

Educated Americans, largely for economic reasons (job transfers etc) move to Mexico all the time. Its not just one way. Mexico has a developed economy, with a surprisingly large number of world class Mexican companies like CEMEX, Lala, America Movil, Cruz Azul, etc.

Mexico has its problems, but they also have a first world infrastructure and the hardest workers in the entire OECD (much more so than Americans). It also has a lower tax burden than even the USA.

Per capita income at PPP is around 16,000 per capita per year. That's higher than some European nations. And while there is income inequality in Mexico, its not as bad as people think. Mexico's GINI coefficient is 48, The USA is 41.

Mexican immigration to the USA for purely economic reasons has pretty much stopped. Because Mexico has become somewhat better for its poorer persons and the USA even prior to Trump has become worse. Sure, there is and will still be immigration, but that's largely the result of cross border links such as family etc. That isn't going to change. 41 million Americans have ties on the other side of the US - Mexico border. They are just as American as you are.

As a matter of fact, Mexico actually had net positive migration from the USA a couple of years ago.

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The real issue, if there is one, is one of Central American migration to the USA. But of course, the biggest potential ally in that is ......Mexico! But our dumb*** leader has decided to needlessly insult Mexico. My guess is that so long as Trump keeps this up, Mexico will simply put migrants on busses at their Southern border, ship them to their northern border and hand them a ladder or a boat.

(11-25-2017 01:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

To assume that Mexico-US immigration is solely comprised of Mexico sending poor and uneducated people to work in the USA really doesn't reflect the reality.

First, a lot of Americans move to and live in Mexico by choice. Over a million Americans live in Mexico. That's roughly 1 percent of the entire population of Mexico. And contrary to right wing perception, the immigration process is pretty much open door. And hundreds of thousands of non-Hispanic Americans live in Mexico as well.

Here in Houston, we have lots of VERY educated and VERY well off Mexicans who choose to live here.

Educated Americans, largely for economic reasons (job transfers etc) move to Mexico all the time. Its not just one way. Mexico has a developed economy, with a surprisingly large number of world class Mexican companies like CEMEX, Lala, America Movil, Cruz Azul, etc.

Mexico has its problems, but they also have a first world infrastructure and the hardest workers in the entire OECD (much more so than Americans). It also has a lower tax burden than even the USA.

Per capita income at PPP is around 16,000 per capita per year. That's higher than some European nations. And while there is income inequality in Mexico, its not as bad as people think. Mexico's GINI coefficient is 48, The USA is 41.

Mexican immigration to the USA for purely economic reasons has pretty much stopped. Because Mexico has become somewhat better for its poorer persons and the USA even prior to Trump has become worse. Sure, there is and will still be immigration, but that's largely the result of cross border links such as family etc. That isn't going to change. 41 million Americans have ties on the other side of the US - Mexico border. They are just as American as you are.

As a matter of fact, Mexico actually had net positive migration from the USA a couple of years ago.

----

The real issue, if there is one, is one of Central American migration to the USA. But of course, the biggest potential ally in that is ......Mexico! But our dumb*** leader has decided to needlessly insult Mexico. My guess is that so long as Trump keeps this up, Mexico will simply put migrants on busses at their Southern border, ship them to their northern border and hand them a ladder or a boat.

I’m sure once we build the wall, Mexico will “remarkably” stop the influx from the other border. Why all the Drug trade out of Mexico? Open and free. Mexico, to get an inkling of respect, needs to disinfect itself.

(11-25-2017 03:40 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

To assume that Mexico-US immigration is solely comprised of Mexico sending poor and uneducated people to work in the USA really doesn't reflect the reality.

First, a lot of Americans move to and live in Mexico by choice. Over a million Americans live in Mexico. That's roughly 1 percent of the entire population of Mexico. And contrary to right wing perception, the immigration process is pretty much open door. And hundreds of thousands of non-Hispanic Americans live in Mexico as well.

Here in Houston, we have lots of VERY educated and VERY well off Mexicans who choose to live here.

Educated Americans, largely for economic reasons (job transfers etc) move to Mexico all the time. Its not just one way. Mexico has a developed economy, with a surprisingly large number of world class Mexican companies like CEMEX, Lala, America Movil, Cruz Azul, etc.

Mexico has its problems, but they also have a first world infrastructure and the hardest workers in the entire OECD (much more so than Americans). It also has a lower tax burden than even the USA.

Per capita income at PPP is around 16,000 per capita per year. That's higher than some European nations. And while there is income inequality in Mexico, its not as bad as people think. Mexico's GINI coefficient is 48, The USA is 41.

Mexican immigration to the USA for purely economic reasons has pretty much stopped. Because Mexico has become somewhat better for its poorer persons and the USA even prior to Trump has become worse. Sure, there is and will still be immigration, but that's largely the result of cross border links such as family etc. That isn't going to change. 41 million Americans have ties on the other side of the US - Mexico border. They are just as American as you are.

As a matter of fact, Mexico actually had net positive migration from the USA a couple of years ago.

----

The real issue, if there is one, is one of Central American migration to the USA. But of course, the biggest potential ally in that is ......Mexico! But our dumb*** leader has decided to needlessly insult Mexico. My guess is that so long as Trump keeps this up, Mexico will simply put migrants on busses at their Southern border, ship them to their northern border and hand them a ladder or a boat.

I’m sure once we build the wall, Mexico will “remarkably” stop the influx from the other border. Why all the Drug trade out of Mexico? Open and free. Mexico, to get an inkling of respect, needs to disinfect itself.

The problem in Mexico is strongly helped by open gun sales in the USA and our ravenous demand for narcotics.

(11-25-2017 03:48 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:40 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

To assume that Mexico-US immigration is solely comprised of Mexico sending poor and uneducated people to work in the USA really doesn't reflect the reality.

First, a lot of Americans move to and live in Mexico by choice. Over a million Americans live in Mexico. That's roughly 1 percent of the entire population of Mexico. And contrary to right wing perception, the immigration process is pretty much open door. And hundreds of thousands of non-Hispanic Americans live in Mexico as well.

Here in Houston, we have lots of VERY educated and VERY well off Mexicans who choose to live here.

Educated Americans, largely for economic reasons (job transfers etc) move to Mexico all the time. Its not just one way. Mexico has a developed economy, with a surprisingly large number of world class Mexican companies like CEMEX, Lala, America Movil, Cruz Azul, etc.

Mexico has its problems, but they also have a first world infrastructure and the hardest workers in the entire OECD (much more so than Americans). It also has a lower tax burden than even the USA.

Per capita income at PPP is around 16,000 per capita per year. That's higher than some European nations. And while there is income inequality in Mexico, its not as bad as people think. Mexico's GINI coefficient is 48, The USA is 41.

Mexican immigration to the USA for purely economic reasons has pretty much stopped. Because Mexico has become somewhat better for its poorer persons and the USA even prior to Trump has become worse. Sure, there is and will still be immigration, but that's largely the result of cross border links such as family etc. That isn't going to change. 41 million Americans have ties on the other side of the US - Mexico border. They are just as American as you are.

As a matter of fact, Mexico actually had net positive migration from the USA a couple of years ago.

----

The real issue, if there is one, is one of Central American migration to the USA. But of course, the biggest potential ally in that is ......Mexico! But our dumb*** leader has decided to needlessly insult Mexico. My guess is that so long as Trump keeps this up, Mexico will simply put migrants on busses at their Southern border, ship them to their northern border and hand them a ladder or a boat.

I’m sure once we build the wall, Mexico will “remarkably” stop the influx from the other border. Why all the Drug trade out of Mexico? Open and free. Mexico, to get an inkling of respect, needs to disinfect itself.

The problem in Mexico is strongly helped by open gun sales in the USA and our ravenous demand for narcotics.

I agree that America is an addict. Gonna be the hardest job President Trump faces. Gonna take a lot of time and care. We have got to fight both Mexico and China on the supply side and spend whatever it takes on the recovery side.

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

In large measure it is 3rd world and poor. It has historically been a caste type country. No upward mobility for Mestizos and down the food chain.

(11-25-2017 04:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 11:53 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Does Mexico have high skilled labor left? Would a country actually encourage and enable its poorest and worst citizens to move? Why can’t America do the same? If the best people from other countries are leaving, what hope does that Country have?
Sad. And should be embarrassing.

In large measure it is 3rd world and poor. It has historically been a caste type country. No upward mobility for Mestizos and down the food chain.

Historically, yes. But the reality today isn't the case

Mexico is officially a first world country (OECD). Which means that its basically in the top 20. It is true that there is a large underclass in Mexico, but then again, there's one in the USA as well.

Mexico's caste system is probably no worse than the one in our country. There are LOTS of Mexicans who come from poor backgrounds that are doing just fine. They haven't really broken into the rich class in large numbers, but they're moving into the middle and upper middle class in significant numbers. These things take a couple of generations to shake out.

Mexico is poorer than the USA. But it is by no means a 'poor country'. The average family income in Mexico is around 27,000 at PPP. Of the 100 million Mexicans in Mexico, 70 million live a full first world lifestyle.

Mexico's problems are really derived from the inability or unwillingness of Mexico to do a better job on assisting the 30 million poor Mexicans. Part of the reason for that is that the Mexican state is weak by design as a result of very low tax policies.

Mexico's economy is huge and drives a lot of economic activity in the USA. Its economy is equal to France, bigger than Italys.

Canada has recognized the new reality. There's no visa requirement anymore for Mexican citizens. And guess what, Mexicans don't run across the border to Canada in large numbers to migrate illegally (300 detentions total in the first 7 months). Just like Mexicans don't really come across the border in large numbers here. Because after 20 years of NAFTA, and some decent leadership in Mexico....Mexico's economy largely works. And guess what? You can go from Mexico to Canada on an airplane for about a third of the price of paying a coyote to smuggle you across our Southern border.

If the USA opened its border tomorrow to allow for a EU style immigration between the USA, Canada and Mexico, I would estimate that less than 5 million Mexicans would move to the states. Half of those are people that have been deported and will try to move back whether its legal or not for them to do so. What's the difference between 41 and 46 million Mexican Americans? I really don't see much of a difference. Oh and by the way, many rich and educated Mexicans would go north too.

Oh and btw, an EU style 'freedom of movement' would probably work better for the right wing from a political standpoint. Because with 'freedom of movement', Mexicans wouldn't feel the need to become US citizens. Also, Mexico would have a powerful motivation to actually help the US on issues of Central American migration. Have the border patrol simply work on stopping massive numbers of economic migrants from Central America and other places rather than on Maria who wants to live with her brother in Texas.

And another thing....Trump's policies turn the vast majority of Mexican Americans into people who simply won't cooperate with CBP or ICE for any reason unless compelled to. And I don't blame them. If they weren't offended by ICE/CBP policies they'd be the first people to turn in Central American migrants.