(11-25-2017 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:30 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:09 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  wcc tv revenue before byu was 200k, and with byu is about 440k...
with our currently bad tv deal we could more than double that with ease...not even considering what our new deal might be..

if we get the 4-6mil per deal we are hoping for, we could offer them 2-3 mill year.. and the 4-6mil projection are with the current members ...adding byu/ sdsu and potential gonzaga who knows the value

and just general ncaa distrubiton gonzaga by itself makes 61% of all wcc shares.. wcc is a 2 bid league becuase of gonzaga (and partly from byu)...those shares/earnong potential transfer to the aac, they can make that here...

Justify it 1,000 different ways. Gonzaga will never be in the AAC, and neither will BYU. Hell, you have a better chance of getting BYU, than you do Gonzaga, and that is saying something.

mathematically you are correct...we arent getting gonzaga without byu..so you have to add the byu odds to the gonzaga odds

but if we get byu (and a true west), getting gonzaga won't be difficult
300k tv, 26 wins=9 seed, lots of espnu conference games
3mil tv, 26 wins= 3 seed, lots of cbs/abc games ..path to true blueblood

In the last 5 years Gonzaga has been a #1 seed two times and a 2 seed once guy. Wouldn't be any better here.

do you cherry pick all your stats
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 37–2 (1 seed)

these records in this conference would be drastically higher seeds...
35-3 and only a 2 seed....do you think they enjoy having no room for error..

in 2015 had 26 wins pre-tourney and was lower seeds than numerous sub 20 teams in their own bracket alone

He's troll thats all he does here

(11-25-2017 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:30 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:09 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  wcc tv revenue before byu was 200k, and with byu is about 440k...
with our currently bad tv deal we could more than double that with ease...not even considering what our new deal might be..

if we get the 4-6mil per deal we are hoping for, we could offer them 2-3 mill year.. and the 4-6mil projection are with the current members ...adding byu/ sdsu and potential gonzaga who knows the value

and just general ncaa distrubiton gonzaga by itself makes 61% of all wcc shares.. wcc is a 2 bid league becuase of gonzaga (and partly from byu)...those shares/earnong potential transfer to the aac, they can make that here...

Justify it 1,000 different ways. Gonzaga will never be in the AAC, and neither will BYU. Hell, you have a better chance of getting BYU, than you do Gonzaga, and that is saying something.

mathematically you are correct...we arent getting gonzaga without byu..so you have to add the byu odds to the gonzaga odds

but if we get byu (and a true west), getting gonzaga won't be difficult
300k tv, 26 wins=9 seed, lots of espnu conference games
3mil tv, 26 wins= 3 seed, lots of cbs/abc games ..path to true blueblood

In the last 5 years Gonzaga has been a #1 seed two times and a 2 seed once guy. Wouldn't be any better here.

do you cherry pick all your stats
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 37–2 (1 seed)

these records in this conference would be drastically higher seeds...
35-3 and only a 2 seed....do you think they enjoy having no room for error..

in 2015 had 26 wins pre-tourney and was lower seeds than numerous sub 20 teams in their own bracket alone

Weird. When did the AAC become a top basketball conference? When did it become far superior to the WCC?

Look, I don't know much about basketball nor care. But you seem to be inferring that it is a conference that ensures three or four bids. That's not the case, yet. Meanwhile, the WCC has gotten two bids every year since I can remember.

Give it some time, and your proclamation may become true. But you have to acknowledge it is ore-mature.

(11-25-2017 02:48 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:30 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:09 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Justify it 1,000 different ways. Gonzaga will never be in the AAC, and neither will BYU. Hell, you have a better chance of getting BYU, than you do Gonzaga, and that is saying something.

mathematically you are correct...we arent getting gonzaga without byu..so you have to add the byu odds to the gonzaga odds

but if we get byu (and a true west), getting gonzaga won't be difficult
300k tv, 26 wins=9 seed, lots of espnu conference games
3mil tv, 26 wins= 3 seed, lots of cbs/abc games ..path to true blueblood

In the last 5 years Gonzaga has been a #1 seed two times and a 2 seed once guy. Wouldn't be any better here.

do you cherry pick all your stats
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 37–2 (1 seed)

these records in this conference would be drastically higher seeds...
35-3 and only a 2 seed....do you think they enjoy having no room for error..

in 2015 had 26 wins pre-tourney and was lower seeds than numerous sub 20 teams in their own bracket alone

He's troll thats all he does here

Somebody has to educate people about factual inaccuracies.

(11-25-2017 02:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  How many #1 and #2 seeds has the AAC produced since it's inception?

thats dumb logic.. thats like saying you cant win a national title in the big 12 in the playoff era because no one from the big 12 has won it yet...thats dumb

we are talking capabilities.....

(11-25-2017 02:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  How many #1 and #2 seeds has the AAC produced since it's inception?

thats dumb logic.. thats like saying you cant win a national title in the big 12 in the playoff era because no one from the big 12 has won it yet...thats dumb

we are talking capabilities.....

And I'm wondering what Gonzaga is missing out on? They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams. It's not a bad thing. Like Boise State the AAC just doesn't make sense for Gonzaga.

Gonzaga to the Pac12 (along with someone else) is the only realistic scenario that exists. Spokane is well beyond the AAC footprint.


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(11-25-2017 02:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Weird. When did the AAC become a top basketball conference? When did it become far superior to the WCC?

Look, I don't know much about basketball nor care. But you seem to be inferring that it is a conference that ensures three or four bids. That's not the case, yet. Meanwhile, the WCC has gotten two bids every year since I can remember.

Give it some time, and your proclamation may become true. But you have to acknowledge it is ore-mature.

if we are counting ineligible teams who would have made the tournament if eligible ....hasnt the AAC produced 3-4 every year but last year????
we have easily done 3 tourney caliber teams a year..some years 4 (and officially had first out 2 of those years)..and that was without wichita, and also with uconn/memphis down despite recruiting hoards of elite players

if you are insinuating the AAC and wcc are similar in basketball, please stop..your manipulation needs to stop..

dating back almost a decade only 3 wcc have made a tourney (gonzaga, byu an st marys) 2/3rd of those would be in the hypothetical conference... and adding st marys to even it out wouldn't be that crazy a move

in that same time frame 9 of the 12 aac teams have made the tourney..and 1 of the 3 without is projected to make it this year (ucf) and another already beat last years mwc champ and is undefeated (tulane/ Colorado st)

this was just from 2 days from one of the biggest insiders in basketball

@JonRothstein
Is today Mike Aresco's birthday? American Conference with two huge wins tonight. League continues to trend towards being a four-to-five bid conference.

(11-25-2017 03:03 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  How many #1 and #2 seeds has the AAC produced since it's inception?

thats dumb logic.. thats like saying you cant win a national title in the big 12 in the playoff era because no one from the big 12 has won it yet...thats dumb

we are talking capabilities.....

And I'm wondering what Gonzaga is missing out on? They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams. It's not a bad thing. Like Boise State the AAC just doesn't make sense for Gonzaga.

ill spell this out 1 more time if you cant get it i give up on you
1) 4 times as much money
2) dramatically better tv exposure
3) current league would be weakened
4) higher seeds without having to have ridiculous records

your entire rebuttal is "hey last year they went 37-3 and got a 1 seed, why do they need the AAC"....because they arent going to go 30-2 every regular season.. they have gotten ridiculously low seeds on years they arent 30-2

"They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams."
so was wichita, so was butler...they jumped in heart beat...your logic in this is flawed

The only way would be a merger with the MWC into a mega clusterfluck

Meh.

Spokane is a long way away. Gonzaga hoops is amazing but it's simply not worth it.

Meh two too.

I am enjoying BYU football. Losing to UMass at home was funny as cluck.

(11-25-2017 03:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:03 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  How many #1 and #2 seeds has the AAC produced since it's inception?

thats dumb logic.. thats like saying you cant win a national title in the big 12 in the playoff era because no one from the big 12 has won it yet...thats dumb

we are talking capabilities.....

And I'm wondering what Gonzaga is missing out on? They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams. It's not a bad thing. Like Boise State the AAC just doesn't make sense for Gonzaga.

ill spell this out 1 more time if you cant get it i give up on you
1) 4 times as much money
2) dramatically better tv exposure
3) current league would be weakened
4) higher seeds without having to have ridiculous records

your entire rebuttal is "hey last year they went 37-3 and got a 1 seed, why do they need the AAC"....because they arent going to go 30-2 every regular season.. they have gotten ridiculously low seeds on years they arent 30-2

"They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams."
so was wichita, so was butler...they jumped in heart beat...your logic in this is flawed

Don't full sports members make 2 million a year here? What are you paying the shockers? You guys have an overinflated view of this conference. Should have been obvious when mwc teams wouldn't come and more cusa teams were invited.

(11-25-2017 03:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way would be a merger with the MWC into a mega clusterfluck

The mwc is hot garbage. That's the problem. Oh yeah, and their games are on at 1am.

(11-25-2017 03:40 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:03 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:57 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 02:45 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  How many #1 and #2 seeds has the AAC produced since it's inception?

thats dumb logic.. thats like saying you cant win a national title in the big 12 in the playoff era because no one from the big 12 has won it yet...thats dumb

we are talking capabilities.....

And I'm wondering what Gonzaga is missing out on? They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams. It's not a bad thing. Like Boise State the AAC just doesn't make sense for Gonzaga.

ill spell this out 1 more time if you cant get it i give up on you
1) 4 times as much money
2) dramatically better tv exposure
3) current league would be weakened
4) higher seeds without having to have ridiculous records

your entire rebuttal is "hey last year they went 37-3 and got a 1 seed, why do they need the AAC"....because they arent going to go 30-2 every regular season.. they have gotten ridiculously low seeds on years they arent 30-2

"They are consistently ranked higher and get higher seeds in the tournament than AAC teams."
so was wichita, so was butler...they jumped in heart beat...your logic in this is flawed

Don't full sports members make 2 million a year here? What are you paying the shockers? You guys have an overinflated view of this conference. Should have been obvious when mwc teams wouldn't come and more cusa teams were invited.

wcc pays 400k per...

you ridiculously undervalue this conference....

and boise greed, we've had this talk 500 time lets not make it 501....sdsu, a mwc team, didnt want to leave...

(11-25-2017 03:41 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way would be a merger with the MWC into a mega clusterfluck

The mwc is hot garbage. That's the problem. Oh yeah, and their games are on at 1am.

That's why BSU makes more in TV revenue then AAC teams. Late start times.

(11-25-2017 03:49 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:41 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 03:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The only way would be a merger with the MWC into a mega clusterfluck

The mwc is hot garbage. That's the problem. Oh yeah, and their games are on at 1am.

That's why BSU makes more in TV revenue then AAC teams. Late start times.

for now...not for long

(11-25-2017 09:01 AM)PurpleReigns Wrote:  I think if we can add BYU all sports and have the schedule where most of their conference games are home or against the western teams that would have them give us a hard look. Add Army as football only to balance it out and add more prestige.


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(11-25-2017 09:11 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 09:05 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Does the AAC board need a realignment section?

Yes. Probably a G4 section too. Separate and not equal.

Also a UConn overpays for bad football section.

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(11-25-2017 12:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 12:16 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Went to law school at GU. They are not coming to the AAC, ever. They spitballed thinking about that he big east a few years back but are happy in the WCC

You've been naive

If you're saying Gonzaga wouldn't be interested in playing these programs bellow on a regular basis than you just proved you are a complete troll.

Cincinnati
Memphis
UConn
Temple
Houston
SMU
Wichita State

If AAC offered Gonzaga would sign immediately... But you have nothing to worry about, AAC isn't interested.

If you could GET Gonzaga you woikd HAVE Gonzaga! You HAVE WSU.

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(11-25-2017 01:13 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 12:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 12:46 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 12:16 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Went to law school at GU. They are not coming to the AAC, ever. They spitballed thinking about that he big east a few years back but are happy in the WCC

You've been naive

If you're saying Gonzaga wouldn't be interested in playing these programs bellow on a regular basis than you just proved you are a complete troll.

Cincinnati
Memphis
UConn
Temple
Houston
SMU
Wichita State

If AAC offered Gonzaga would sign immediately... But you have nothing to worry about, AAC isn't interested.

Playing those teams and joining that conference are two very different things. Would they want them in OOC match ups? Sure! Would they want to send their volleyball team to ECU and their tennis team to USF? Not really.

Ohio State sends their football team to Rutgers, I don’t see the issue???

In your mind Ohio to Jersey = Utah/Washington to Pennsylvania?

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(11-25-2017 01:40 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:31 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:12 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 01:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  you missed the hypothetical that byu leaves...byu leaving drastically changes the wcc

No, it doesn't. The WCC was the WCC before BYU, and would be the same without it.

Most people here don't understand BYU, just like they don't understand the outlook of the parochial schools in the WCC. They just look at things differently. It is what it is.

if you honestly think gonzaga cherishes the wcc so much that they enjoy 27 win season ending up in 8-11 seed teams..and requiring to need 30 wins seasons to get good tourney bids you are blind..

you could argue the same about wichita....yet they were beginning to join anyone.. gonzaga is actually the second neest member of the wcc, and only joined in the 80s..let not make some church thing out of this...

Gonzaga has been a 1 seed and won over 35 million in tournament credits, played for the natty. What are they missing out on?

G4 mentality

Yes your hundreds of dollars is enticing.

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