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You're remembering junior/senior Chandler Harnish. Redshirt freshman Harnish had a 57% completion pctg, 8 TDs and 9 interceptions for the year. He missed receivers deep regularly. Most of his completions went to TEs and FBs. It was very similar in his sophomore year.

There were a lot of people who were completely ready to jump ship on Harnish after his sophomore year... then he took a huge step forward and became a Vern Smith level QB.
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^ This.

After the 2009 season, I don’t think anyone, including Jerry Kill, thought Chandler was gonna be the QB that would lead NIU to 11-win seasons in 2010 and 2011. He made a huge progression. Harnish led the Huskies to some big wins. In 2010, there was the throttling of Minnesota and the bowl win in Boise after Kill left. In 2011, there was the 63-60 win over Toledo, the clutch performance in Detroit after we were down 20-0 and the win in Mobile. Harnish showed incredible leadership after the 2-3 start to the 2011 season, rallying the Huskies to nine straight wins.

I expect progression from Childers in the next three years. Will he get to the level of 2010-2011 Harnish? Probably not, but Childers can still be a very effective QB in the NIU system. Childers has SIX starts in his career. Give him a chance to develop.
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Both solid posts.

When Harnish was a RS FR I thought he was not very good; when he was a SO he was OK; JR and SR years wow! He developed from throwing the ball to passing the ball. Childers is throwing the ball; will he develop and pass the ball? Time will tell, but we do need to give him a chance to develop.

(11-22-2017 08:02 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:01 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:57 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:38 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 06:09 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  The game notes for CMU include an interesting comparison of Childers and Harnish as redshirt freshmen. I don't know how to cut and paste that here so I would appreciate it if someone could do that, but suffice it to say that Childers looks pretty good in comparison.

I must wholeheartedly disagree. Childers looks nothing like Harnish. Harnish had an arm - could make an accurate long pass. Childers...well ...does not.

Chandler Harnish goes in the record books as one of the all-time Huskie greats.

Great post; Harnish was our best QB (emphasis on QB) ever; Lynch was the best given our system. Harnish did indeed have a strong, accurate arm; he also became a very effective runner. What’s interesting is he struggles with INTs and decision making early in his career. In a 6 game span his freshman season, he went 83-152 (54%) and had 9 INTs. Glad they stuck with him; he’s now a legend.

Wish they (Carey & coaches) would give Santa a chance to develop. HE has an arm. I wonder if he could have become one of the Huskie greats.

He just has nowhere near the skills of childers

(11-22-2017 08:02 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:01 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:57 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:38 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 06:09 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  The game notes for CMU include an interesting comparison of Childers and Harnish as redshirt freshmen. I don't know how to cut and paste that here so I would appreciate it if someone could do that, but suffice it to say that Childers looks pretty good in comparison.

I must wholeheartedly disagree. Childers looks nothing like Harnish. Harnish had an arm - could make an accurate long pass. Childers...well ...does not.

Chandler Harnish goes in the record books as one of the all-time Huskie greats.

Great post; Harnish was our best QB (emphasis on QB) ever; Lynch was the best given our system. Harnish did indeed have a strong, accurate arm; he also became a very effective runner. What’s interesting is he struggles with INTs and decision making early in his career. In a 6 game span his freshman season, he went 83-152 (54%) and had 9 INTs. Glad they stuck with him; he’s now a legend.

Wish they (Carey & coaches) would give Santa a chance to develop. HE has an arm. I wonder if he could have become one of the Huskie greats.

He just has nowhere near the skills of childers

(11-23-2017 11:37 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:02 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:01 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:57 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:38 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  I must wholeheartedly disagree. Childers looks nothing like Harnish. Harnish had an arm - could make an accurate long pass. Childers...well ...does not.

Chandler Harnish goes in the record books as one of the all-time Huskie greats.

Great post; Harnish was our best QB (emphasis on QB) ever; Lynch was the best given our system. Harnish did indeed have a strong, accurate arm; he also became a very effective runner. What’s interesting is he struggles with INTs and decision making early in his career. In a 6 game span his freshman season, he went 83-152 (54%) and had 9 INTs. Glad they stuck with him; he’s now a legend.

Wish they (Carey & coaches) would give Santa a chance to develop. HE has an arm. I wonder if he could have become one of the Huskie greats.

He just has nowhere near the skills of childers

At this time Childers is missing a very important skill that will severly limit his effectiveness as a QB. He has shown no ability to be be effective in the passing game.

He is Carey's guy though so perhaps he will improve with playing time. He has yet to show any improvement though so the jury is still out and I will wait and hope for the best.

(11-23-2017 09:13 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 01:32 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:38 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 06:09 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  The game notes for CMU include an interesting comparison of Childers and Harnish as redshirt freshmen. I don't know how to cut and paste that here so I would appreciate it if someone could do that, but suffice it to say that Childers looks pretty good in comparison.

I must wholeheartedly disagree. Childers looks nothing like Harnish. Harnish had an arm - could make an accurate long pass. Childers...well ...does not.

Chandler Harnish goes in the record books as one of the all-time Huskie greats.

You're remembering junior/senior Chandler Harnish. Redshirt freshman Harnish had a 57% completion pctg, 8 TDs and 9 interceptions for the year. He missed receivers deep regularly. Most of his completions went to TEs and FBs. It was very similar in his sophomore year.

There were a lot of people who were completely ready to jump ship on Harnish after his sophomore year... then he took a huge step forward and became a Vern Smith level QB.

^ This.

After the 2009 season, I don’t think anyone, including Jerry Kill, thought Chandler was gonna be the QB that would lead NIU to 11-win seasons in 2010 and 2011. He made a huge progression. Harnish led the Huskies to some big wins. In 2010, there was the throttling of Minnesota and the bowl win in Boise after Kill left. In 2011, there was the 63-60 win over Toledo, the clutch performance in Detroit after we were down 20-0 and the win in Mobile. Harnish showed incredible leadership after the 2-3 start to the 2011 season, rallying the Huskies to nine straight wins.

I expect progression from Childers in the next three years. Will he get to the level of 2010-2011 Harnish? Probably not, but Childers can still be a very effective QB in the NIU system. Childers has SIX starts in his career. Give him a chance to develop.

That's a reasonable assessment. Childers knows how to play. Not a great passer or runner. He has nice feet, not a powerful runner like Lynch or elusive like a Stacey Robinson. He gets alot better WE get alot better.

if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

(11-23-2017 11:15 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

Childers passing numbers are pretty similar to Harnish's freshman year, but with less interceptions. Harnish was the better runner and averaged a yard per carry more.

I would love for Childers to turn into the next Harnish, but I have to think it is unlikely. For a "dual threat" QB, Childers doesn't really excel at running or passing. Can we really expect him to become an all-time Huskie great?

If we're lucky Childers will be the next Drew Hare.

(11-23-2017 11:15 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

That linear thinking, (most us think this way ) ,but Childers doesn't pass the eyeball test in his passing or running. He does know how to play as well as Harnish which is huge. He does not make many mistakes and makes good choices. We should expect more from him in the future and I believe he will be a lot better in 2 years than now.

Next spring I still expect an "open" competition for the job. He is in no way safe from competition from anyone on this team.

(11-23-2017 11:15 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

It’s really tough to expect Childers to make a quantum leap like Harnish did between his sophomore and junior year. I don’t think it’s impossible he develops into a Harnish lite though which would be excellent for NIU.

(11-23-2017 11:15 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

The numbers don't tell the full story. Many or most of Childer's completions are high percentage dinks and dunks where the receivers get yards after catch and he misses too many of those.

So far he has been terrible at throwing the ball downfield. Hopefully he can and will improve over time as inexplicably Carey has a guy who has shown the ability to throw the ball nailed to the bench. I would have tried to coach up the guy who has demonstrated some passing ability vs the guy who has not. At this point it probably no longer matters though.

(11-24-2017 12:23 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 11:15 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  if the numbers thus far for Childers exceed the numbers for Harnish as freshmen why cant Childers develop into another Harmish down the road?

That linear thinking, (most us think this way ) ,but Childers doesn't pass the eyeball test in his passing or running. He does know how to play as well as Harnish which is huge. He does not make many mistakes and makes good choices. We should expect more from him in the future and I believe he will be a lot better in 2 years than now.

Next spring I still expect an "open" competition for the job. He is in no way safe from competition from anyone on this team.

Harnish had sooooo many more weapons at his disposal than Childers. Harnish also played under infinitely better coaching. Childers has the tools and the competitive nature to become a very good one though.

The only numbers I care about is 6-1. Santa probably gets us there, too. Graham3-4. Maddie 7-0 but he had experience and swag.