(11-21-2017 08:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  And some of you guys actually think Houston would have been in the playoff it they had won out last year. The committee is so dismissive of an undefeated G5 that just getting into the top ten would be monumental. Getting into the top 4 will never ever happen with the current CFP structure. The Selection Committee is bought and paid for.

Agreed. They could not have spelled it out any clearer, at this point I don’t know why they bother ranking any of us at all. What’s the point?

(11-21-2017 07:27 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  3 loss Mississippi State jumps undefeated UCF following their thrilling last second win over 7 loss Arkansas.

Try to read that sentence out loud without banging your head through the nearest desk.

Two of there three losses were blowouts, against top teams, while one was competitive against 'Bama. I suspect all teams can be blown out by Georgia and Auburn. It's not impressive to accomplish that.

Their best win was over LSU, who lost to Troy. In other words, that "impressive" win may not be that impressive. Shouldn't teams have to have more than one quality win to jump an undefeated team who also had one quality win? After all 3 losses is still 3 losses.

(11-21-2017 08:28 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 08:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  And some of you guys actually think Houston would have been in the playoff it they had won out last year. The committee is so dismissive of an undefeated G5 that just getting into the top ten would be monumental. Getting into the top 4 will never ever happen with the current CFP structure. The Selection Committee is bought and paid for.

Agreed. They could not have spelled it out any clearer, at this point I don’t know why they bother ranking any of us at all. What’s the point?

One must ask if we lost to Maryland and/or GT, would we be ranked at high as BSU right now?....... my guess is that we would be below them. Not based off of resume, but just because they are biased to a known brand, even though UCF should be very well known to those Big 12 AD's who watched in horror as their champ went down in the Fiesta Bowl.

(11-21-2017 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  One must ask if we lost to Maryland and/or GT, would we be ranked at high as BSU right now?....... my guess is that we would be below them. Not based off of resume, but just because they are biased to a known brand, even though UCF should be very well known to those Big 12 AD's who watched in horror as their champ went down in the Fiesta Bowl.

The amazing thing about BSU's success is that they got to keep their head coaches for reasonable long periods of time. Petersen was there for 8 years before he moved on. Yet once an AAC team becomes successful, that coach leaves after a much briefer period of time. Why is that? Does that stability lead to BSU maintaining success and some AAC teams having to rebuild more often?

(11-21-2017 08:44 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  One must ask if we lost to Maryland and/or GT, would we be ranked at high as BSU right now?....... my guess is that we would be below them. Not based off of resume, but just because they are biased to a known brand, even though UCF should be very well known to those Big 12 AD's who watched in horror as their champ went down in the Fiesta Bowl.

The amazing thing about BSU's success is that they got to keep their head coaches for reasonable long periods of time. Petersen was there for 8 years before he moved on. Yet once an AAC team becomes successful, that coach leaves after a much briefer period of time. Why is that? Does that stability lead to BSU maintaining success and some AAC teams having to rebuild more often?

That held true in the past with Peterson. BSU is just flat out not that impressive lately. They get in on name recognition only. However, if Frost stayed with UCF for 8 years (not gonna happen), UCF would become the new media darlings in a few years and I could see either UCF getting called up quickly to the P5 or at the minimum, some early season neutral site games vs top 10 P5 teams............but its all a pipe dream at this point as others have said.... he gone.

Prove me wrong Frost

(11-21-2017 07:44 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  boise mysteriously appears last week at #25, beat a 4 win air force team and was moved up 2. Memphis beat a 6 win SMU team and moved up 1. am I paranoid in thinking they are maneuvering boise into the peach bowl if ucf doesn't make it?

Maybe so, but it no longer matters. We are ahead of Boise. We only have ECU left. If we beat them this week, Boise isn't jumping us.

Then we are off to the CCG, and if we lose there, we are out anyway. If we beat UCF/USF, we definitely are in the Peach.

And, if we lose to ECU, then we deserve to get jumped.

You know.... I wonder if UCF runs the table and smashes a one loss Georgia in the Peach bowl, however unlikely it may be, this can completely change the dynamic going forward. There certainly will be questions about whether they should have been left out of the playoffs if they have 2 loss teams in after the fact. This has never occurred in the CFP era. People will always point back to that UCF team and it will be a white elephant sitting on the CFP's desk in future years.

(11-21-2017 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 08:28 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 08:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  And some of you guys actually think Houston would have been in the playoff it they had won out last year. The committee is so dismissive of an undefeated G5 that just getting into the top ten would be monumental. Getting into the top 4 will never ever happen with the current CFP structure. The Selection Committee is bought and paid for.

Agreed. They could not have spelled it out any clearer, at this point I don’t know why they bother ranking any of us at all. What’s the point?

One must ask if we lost to Maryland and/or GT, would we be ranked at high as BSU right now?....... my guess is that we would be below them. Not based off of resume, but just because they are biased to a known brand, even though UCF should be very well known to those Big 12 AD's who watched in horror as their champ went down in the Fiesta Bowl.

Probably. Stanford has three losses, and SDSU beat them. Yet Stanford is almost in the Top 20, while SDSU is not ranked.

(11-21-2017 08:44 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 08:31 PM)otown Wrote:  One must ask if we lost to Maryland and/or GT, would we be ranked at high as BSU right now?....... my guess is that we would be below them. Not based off of resume, but just because they are biased to a known brand, even though UCF should be very well known to those Big 12 AD's who watched in horror as their champ went down in the Fiesta Bowl.

The amazing thing about BSU's success is that they got to keep their head coaches for reasonable long periods of time. Petersen was there for 8 years before he moved on. Yet once an AAC team becomes successful, that coach leaves after a much briefer period of time. Why is that? Does that stability lead to BSU maintaining success and some AAC teams having to rebuild more often?

Stability is the only way success can be maintained.

As such, I think USF made a great hire in Strong, as long as Strong is comfortable staying at the G5 level.

(11-21-2017 09:10 PM)otown Wrote:  You know.... I wonder if UCF runs the table and smashes a one loss Georgia in the Peach bowl, however unlikely it may be, this can completely change the dynamic going forward. There certainly will be questions about whether they should have been left out of the playoffs if they have 2 loss teams in after the fact. This has never occurred in the CFP era. People will always point back to that UCF team and it will be a white elephant sitting on the CFP's desk in future years.

I doubt it. The polls were wrong in 2013, 2014, and 2015 when lower ranked G5's defeated top 10 P5's in NYD bowls. The only year the polls were correct was 2016 when they had WMU ranked lower than the thier P5 NYD opponent. The most interesting thing about the polls under ranking the top G5 champ 75% of the time---the 3 G5 champs that won their NYD bowl each had at least one loss (Boise actually had 2)--it was the undefeated team that actually lost on NYD. So its very likely that some of the 1-loss AAC teams probably are better than many of the 2 and 3 loss P5's that are automatically ranked ahead of them on nothing more than birth right and the magical "eye test".

This is all about a committee made up completely of representatives from the P5. I would love to see what the rankings would look like with a 10 man committee made up of one rep from each FBS conference. I bet you'd see some significant differences.. Id love to see someone televise it (Tim Brando would be perfect for this). Such a mock committee would fully illuminate the magnitude of the bias.

@kirbyHocutt

They speak so highly of the "eye test" yet ND and Mississippi state are both ahead of the team with what the highest margin of victory in the country? This is a fraud counterfit system.

Boycott the playoff

(11-21-2017 09:52 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Boycott the playoff

We don't need to. They do it for us.

(11-21-2017 10:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 09:52 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Boycott the playoff

We don't need to. They do it for us.

Don't watch it.

CFP’s only purpose is to match the top 4 teams.

The AP is still the leading authority on ranking the top25. CFP doesn’t rank after bowl season.

All the CFP ranking says is we are no where near getting into the playoff. We hit the football equivalent of a glass ceiling.

I feel like it would be very interesting if UCF finished top4 in the final AP and Coaches poll after Bowl season.

(11-21-2017 09:10 PM)otown Wrote:  You know.... I wonder if UCF runs the table and smashes a one loss Georgia in the Peach bowl, however unlikely it may be, this can completely change the dynamic going forward. There certainly will be questions about whether they should have been left out of the playoffs if they have 2 loss teams in after the fact. This has never occurred in the CFP era. People will always point back to that UCF team and it will be a white elephant sitting on the CFP's desk in future years.

A one-loss Georgia team will not be playing in the Peach bowl, they'll be in the playoff.

(11-21-2017 10:27 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  CFP’s only purpose is to match the top 4 teams.

The AP is still the leading authority on ranking the top25. CFP doesn’t rank after bowl season.

All the CFP ranking says is we are no where near getting into the playoff. We hit the football equivalent of a glass ceiling.

I feel like it would be very interesting if UCF finished top4 in the final AP and Coaches poll after Bowl season.

That isn't true. They rank and slot all the teams for the NY6 bowls, and they rank the G5 for the access slot. So they have 3 purposes.

(11-21-2017 10:28 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 09:10 PM)otown Wrote:  You know.... I wonder if UCF runs the table and smashes a one loss Georgia in the Peach bowl, however unlikely it may be, this can completely change the dynamic going forward. There certainly will be questions about whether they should have been left out of the playoffs if they have 2 loss teams in after the fact. This has never occurred in the CFP era. People will always point back to that UCF team and it will be a white elephant sitting on the CFP's desk in future years.

A one-loss Georgia team will not be playing in the Peach bowl, they'll be in the playoff.

True, b/c they are already the SEC East champ, and if they only have one loss, that means they beat Bama or Auburn for the SECC.

A one loss SEC Champ will be in the CFP.

(11-21-2017 10:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 10:27 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  CFP’s only purpose is to match the top 4 teams.

The AP is still the leading authority on ranking the top25. CFP doesn’t rank after bowl season.

All the CFP ranking says is we are no where near getting into the playoff. We hit the football equivalent of a glass ceiling.

I feel like it would be very interesting if UCF finished top4 in the final AP and Coaches poll after Bowl season.

That isn't true. They rank and slot all the teams for the NY6 bowls, and they rank the G5 for the access slot. So they have 3 purposes.

Ok, you are correct

But my point still stands that their entire top25 positioning shouldn’t be taken so seriously