(11-22-2017 09:35 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  I just looked at future BYU schedules for the next several years. I really don't see how making a deal with the AAC would improve them, and I would even expect they would be weaker. Of course, maybe that's what we are going for here. But I think BYU would rather see their team be more competitive against the kind of schedules they have as an independent than stay mediocre and pad their record against weaker competition. Especially if they have to make travel much worse for all their other sports to do it.

My idea was this.

BYU should have no issues scheduling 4-5 P5 schools. And there usually are 1-3 ranked teams in the AAC so there is a high chance they will get an SOS boost by removing games like UMASS from their schedule. Furthermore, they would join the AAC in basketball which would be a huge improvement over the WCC.

And they get access to a NY bowl which is what they do not have now. Currently, there is not feasible way for BYU to ever play in a NY6 bowl. And most of their bowl games right now tend to be against AAC teams.

Overall it does sound like a improvement. They just need to sacrifice 1-2 P5 games.

Well, they wouldn't get access to the NY6 bowl because that has to be a conference champion, and with a partial league schedule they would not be able to win the conference title.

Whoa hold the phone wait a minute. I somehow missed that all these ideas involved BYU joining the AAC for Olympic sports. I guess I should have known that, since that's what "an ND type deal" means. I withdraw everything I said about this making any kind of sense.

There is an argument that a football scheduling arrangement and a bowl alliance would be of limited mutual benefit to BYU and the AAC. But there's no way a membership makes sense.

(11-22-2017 09:35 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  I just looked at future BYU schedules for the next several years. I really don't see how making a deal with the AAC would improve them, and I would even expect they would be weaker. Of course, maybe that's what we are going for here. But I think BYU would rather see their team be more competitive against the kind of schedules they have as an independent than stay mediocre and pad their record against weaker competition. Especially if they have to make travel much worse for all their other sports to do it.

My idea was this.

BYU should have no issues scheduling 4-5 P5 schools. And there usually are 1-3 ranked teams in the AAC so there is a high chance they will get an SOS boost by removing games like UMASS from their schedule. Furthermore, they would join the AAC in basketball which would be a huge improvement over the WCC.

And they get access to a NY bowl which is what they do not have now. Currently, there is not feasible way for BYU to ever play in a NY6 bowl. And most of their bowl games right now tend to be against AAC teams.

Overall it does sound like a improvement. They just need to sacrifice 1-2 P5 games.

Once again, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT THE AAC

(11-22-2017 11:52 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:35 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  I just looked at future BYU schedules for the next several years. I really don't see how making a deal with the AAC would improve them, and I would even expect they would be weaker. Of course, maybe that's what we are going for here. But I think BYU would rather see their team be more competitive against the kind of schedules they have as an independent than stay mediocre and pad their record against weaker competition. Especially if they have to make travel much worse for all their other sports to do it.

My idea was this.

BYU should have no issues scheduling 4-5 P5 schools. And there usually are 1-3 ranked teams in the AAC so there is a high chance they will get an SOS boost by removing games like UMASS from their schedule. Furthermore, they would join the AAC in basketball which would be a huge improvement over the WCC.

And they get access to a NY bowl which is what they do not have now. Currently, there is not feasible way for BYU to ever play in a NY6 bowl. And most of their bowl games right now tend to be against AAC teams.

Overall it does sound like a improvement. They just need to sacrifice 1-2 P5 games.

Once again, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT THE AAC

Exactly. They wanna join, fine. Join with no special deals. If they don't, good luck with getting a Big 12 or PAC invite.

BYU does not need a scheduling agreement with the AAC, or the ACC.

They need a scheduling agreement with the PAC-12 !

6 games each year. Play every PAC-12 team twice in 4 years. Once at at home, the other away.

BYU then also should be a part of the PAC-12's bowl. Lineup same as ND is a part of the ACC lineup.

(11-22-2017 01:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  BYU does not need a scheduling agreement with the AAC, or the ACC.

They need a scheduling agreement with the PAC-12 !

6 games each year. Play every PAC-12 team twice in 4 years. Once at at home, the other away.

BYU then also should be a part of the PAC-12's bowl. Lineup same as ND is a part of the ACC lineup.

That's great--for BYU. What does the PAC-12 get out of it?

The ideas of an arrangement with the AAC has some degree of logic to it. The conference brings strength in the east and south (for bowl negotiations), BYU brings strength in the west--the parties complement each other. And replacing BYU-G5 games and AAC-G5 games with AAC-BYU games would help both sides' SOS.

But BYU doesn't bring anything to the table that the PAC-12 doesn't already have plenty of.

(11-21-2017 08:41 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  BYU doesn’t need to a scheduling agreement with the AAC, it needs a scheduling agreement with the ACC.

This would effectively give ACC teams 9 “conference” games 10 out of 14 years, or 10 out of 15 if the ACC could find a way to keep the Notre Dame at BYU games to even out the matchups every third year. Those with established SEC rivalries don’t have to play more than 10 P5 schools unless if they want to do so. The ACC could even show a BYU home game kicking off at 9:30 or 10:00 PM Eastern and show four games in one day.

BYU gets 2-3 trips east each year. The four letter network can bundle distribution of the ACC Network in Utah.

This is one scenario where I could actually see significant benefits for both BYU and the conference affiliate. BYU gets a P5 schedule, especially for late season games, and the ACC gets the late-night kickoffs for the Network and help with scheduling holes created by the Notre Dame relationship.

BYU would have to agree to allow a couple of home games each year be broadcast on the ACC Network. Which could be done, if the $$ is right.

Because of existing scheduled games, it could start slowly with the launch of the ACC Network in 2019. Perhaps two ACC games in 2019 and 2020 - one home, one away. By 2021, there would be room for four ACC games, two home, two away (Virginia already scheduled for Provo in '21). From 2022 and on, there could be five BYU-ACC games per season.

BYU and the ACC is an intriguing partnership. Filling that late night time slot a few times each season would be a perk but would sacrificing 5 OOC games to a school no one has any history with really be worth it? The southern schools in the league want to play the SEC while the northern ones want to play the Big Ten.

BYU does have a bunch of Pac12 teams on future schedules as things are:
2018 (4): @ Arizona, Cal, @ Washington, @ Utah
2019 (3): Utah, USC, Washington
2020 (3): @ Utah, @ Arizona State, @ Stanford
2021 (5): Arizona (N), Utah, Arizona State, @ Washington State, @ USC
2022 (3): @ Utah, @ Oregon, @ Stanford
2023 (2): @ USC, Stanford
2024 (0):
2025 (1): Stanford
2026 (1): Arizona
2027 (1): @ Arizona

BYU could help the AAC in bowl games no question about it.

The AAC could try to talk to sending its champ to the Sun Bowl with BYU able to play there every 3 out of 6 years. With the AAC in the access bowl at least half the time that would give BYU a few slots.

Another target could be the Las Vegas bowl against the PAC...steal it from the MWC with BYU as a member.

(11-23-2017 01:46 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU could help the AAC in bowl games no question about it.

The AAC could try to talk to sending its champ to the Sun Bowl with BYU able to play there every 3 out of 6 years. With the AAC in the access bowl at least half the time that would give BYU a few slots.

Another target could be the Las Vegas bowl against the PAC...steal it from the MWC with BYU as a member.

Get the ideas of stealing the Vegas bowl out of your head, UNLV controls that and no way are they giving that to the AAC. Also, you eastern people have no clue with dealing with BYU. There is a reason other than on field play why they are the most hated program in the whole region. They cut no deals that they are not the primary beneficiary.


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(11-21-2017 04:48 PM)YNot Wrote:  Here are current Pomeroy basketball rankings for the expanded American:

EAST
(10)Cincinnati
(64)Temple
(65)UCF
(68)UConn
(183)ECU
(265)South Florida

CENTRAL
(2)Wichita St.
(25)SMU
(59)Houston
(96)Tulsa
(136)Memphis
(176)Tulane

WEST
(23)Gonzaga
(26)Saint Mary's
(66)BYU
(78)SDSU
(87)Boise St.
(208)Air Force

While this is a nice concept, and the football looks good too:

East
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane or Navy
Temple
UConn
East Carolina

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy or Tulane
BYU (full member?)
Air Force
Boise
SDSU

Here are the problems:

1. There is a strong reluctance to go back to the CUSA model with multiple partial members. It was like pulling teeth to get Wichita State added to prop up basketball after Louisville left.

2. Boise gave Aresco the finger out the door in 2012, and the American presidents have not forgotten. As long as Kustra is there, no dice.

3. An expansion like this will not happen first. These types of moves are always trickle down after the tectonic plates shift among the P5. In particular, the Big 12 is on death watch. But not until 2022 ish.

4. Before 2022, the American will sign a new TV deal. As will the MWC. As will BYU. In fact, all that will happen in 2018 or 2019. This type of move will not get done in time before those deals lock everyone in for another 6-10 years.

There’s not enough money in a nationwide G5 conference. Schedule one another out of conference, that way AD’s can select marquee games. This idea died with the Big East football conference..

As far as BYU joining the AAC in any form or fashion, somebody already mentioned it: Utah. After a 100 years being on an equal level why admit they’re lesser and join a G5 conference?

Offer BYU and Air Force four games each . Add BYU and VCU for olympic sports. Air Force could be independent with six guaranteed games a year seven if they play BYU. Air Force can place olympic sports in BSC or Summit.

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If these fantasies made any sense they would have been done by now.

(11-23-2017 07:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 04:48 PM)YNot Wrote:  Here are current Pomeroy basketball rankings for the expanded American:

EAST
(10)Cincinnati
(64)Temple
(65)UCF
(68)UConn
(183)ECU
(265)South Florida

CENTRAL
(2)Wichita St.
(25)SMU
(59)Houston
(96)Tulsa
(136)Memphis
(176)Tulane

WEST
(23)Gonzaga
(26)Saint Mary's
(66)BYU
(78)SDSU
(87)Boise St.
(208)Air Force

While this is a nice concept, and the football looks good too:

East
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane or Navy
Temple
UConn
East Carolina

West
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy or Tulane
BYU (full member?)
Air Force
Boise
SDSU

Here are the problems:

1. There is a strong reluctance to go back to the CUSA model with multiple partial members. It was like pulling teeth to get Wichita State added to prop up basketball after Louisville left.

2. Boise gave Aresco the finger out the door in 2012, and the American presidents have not forgotten. As long as Kustra is there, no dice.

3. An expansion like this will not happen first. These types of moves are always trickle down after the tectonic plates shift among the P5. In particular, the Big 12 is on death watch. But not until 2022 ish.

4. Before 2022, the American will sign a new TV deal. As will the MWC. As will BYU. In fact, all that will happen in 2018 or 2019. This type of move will not get done in time before those deals lock everyone in for another 6-10 years.

Too many mouths for the pie, cut it to 12.


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(11-22-2017 08:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No thanks to special deal for BYU

100% agree

The AAC continues to perform just fine with its current member lineup.