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(11-29-2017 03:04 PM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 10:10 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Detroit or bust for me, personally.

Makes no sense for us to go to a bowl game in North Carolina.

I'd say we owe it to our senior class, but that's just me.

Personally, I cannot afford to travel wherever the team goes (Boise, Bahamas, etc.) every single year, especially with young children. Of course last year was the exception. My guess is that I am not alone in preferring Detroit over just about any other bowl scenario out there.

Also, I would NEVER be in favor of us declining a bowl invitation. But I'm just saying I would much prefer a bowl game in Detroit (this year).

Oh i'm totally with you there, lol. I'd love a Detroit bowl every year.

For the Quick Lane, if there's a lack of ACC or B1G team, they by contract HAVE to pick a MAC team (after they made the MAC not automatically going there). So on-paper, A MAC SCHOOL is the #1 fill-in. So no, a Sun Belt's not going to beat us there -- nor would any motive for pretty much another other G5 outside the MAC.

But if they take, say CMU -- we're kinda screwed.

this all seems so crazy. Not too many years ago a 6-6 MACteam would have no chance going to any bowl game. I remember some years back when I was in school (1998-2002) where some really decent MAC teams sat at home...one particular Toledo team comes to mind.

^^^^ Of course, the past couple years, less-than-.500 teams got in. Last year, an under-.500 NIU team almost made it. :)

We're already +1 team over # teams who can go bowling. Florida State is Definitely going to beat a hapless 4-7 Sun Belt team Saturday, to go 6-6. That puts it at +2 teams over.

App State at home SHOULD win (solid big favorite) over a 5-6 team, but New Mexico State has a very strong chance to Win to go 6-6...

.... so we should expect +3 "over". Who would we be competing with (other 6-6 G5s OUTSIDE of the AAC)? The last one shouldn't really count, since I don't think App-State's going to lose at home:

- WMU

- BUFFALO
- W. Kentucky
- Midd Tenn State
- LA-Tech
- Utah State
- New Mexico State (IF they beat 4-7 S. Alabama at home; should happen)
- Louisiana (IF they beat 7-4 App State @App State; won't happen)

So a Broad, Inexact way of measuring this (due to bowl-conf setups): Would we be a better pick than 3 of the other teams? 4, if both New Mexico AND Louisiana win?

1- Obvious above Buffalo (we beat them; we're in stronger division in MAC)
2/3 - Would get a general nod over the bottom two Sun Belts
3/4 - Would we Generally get a Nod over ONE of: W. Kentucky, Mid-Tenn, LA-Tech, or Utah State?

In the event that bowl-tie-ins didn't matter at all (so we'd have no nod for Detroit; they'd have no nod for other bowls) -- would we be chosen over ONE of those 4 teams, would be the question. Hopefully, Detroit has it's eyes set on picking US, and CMU (or Toledo) doesn't successfully argue for it. That'd kick us out of having bowl-tie-in dibs over any of the other 6-6 teams out there.

Odds are 2 of the CUSA teams are staying home. We're at 7 MAC teams with 5 tie-ins (since the Quick Lane likely becomes a MAC bowl. We likely get left out of one of those bowls, but odds are we snag an at-large.

CUSA ends up with (i think) 9 or 10 eligible teams for 6 bids (potentially 7 as the ACC is sending a team to the playoff. But some of the ACC's bids are secondary as well and it's too early to figure that nonsense out)

We only have *4* bowl tie-ins this year. 1 less than last year.

- Dollar Bowl vs SB (usually MAC Champ - lol)
- Camelia Bowl vs SB
- Potato Bowl vs MW
- Bahamas Bowl vs CUSA (Ohio is going)

Secondary Agreements:
+ Quick Lane Bowl (if ACC or B1G cannot produce team; B1G will not -- MAC is Getting It)
Frisco Bowl (if AAC cannot produce team; UCF going to BCS Bowl Makes 6 AAC for 7 slots)
or
Boca Raton Bowl (if AAC or CUSA cannot produce team; AAC Can only fill 1 of Frisco or Boca)

So we only have 5 tie-ins, due to secondary Quick Lane Bowl. We *COULD* have a 6th tie-in, if AAC dismissing Frisco OR Boca -- where Boca is expensive and may do that, BUT if they ditch the Cure Bowl, we DON'T have a secondary tie-in, and we'd only have 5 tie-ins, and WMU is out.

Where's our rank in the MAC? Above Buffalo.

- Toledo [Dollar General Bowl, most likely]
- Akron
- Ohio [Bahamas Bowl]
- CMU
- NIU
- WMU --- Needs a 6th Bowl, Being in 6th Place in Default Pecking Order -- We Should Have it
- Buffalo

**But, AAC, lacking 1 team for 1 tie-in, may give up their WORST bowl slot -- the Cure Bowl vs Sunbelt... which we are NOT tied-in to.

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  We only have *4* bowl tie-ins this year. 1 less than last year.

- Dollar Bowl vs SB (usually MAC Champ - lol)
- Camelia Bowl vs SB
- Potato Bowl vs MW
- Bahamas Bowl vs CUSA (Ohio is going)

Secondary Agreements:
+ Quick Lane Bowl (if ACC or B1G cannot produce team; B1G will not -- MAC is Getting It)
Frisco Bowl (if AAC cannot produce team; UCF going to BCS Bowl Makes 6 AAC for 7 slots)
or
Boca Raton Bowl (if AAC or CUSA cannot produce team; AAC Can only fill 1 of Frisco or Boca)

So we only have 5 tie-ins, due to secondary Quick Lane Bowl. We *COULD* have a 6th tie-in, if AAC dismissing Frisco OR Boca -- where Boca is expensive and may do that, BUT if they ditch the Cure Bowl, we DON'T have a secondary tie-in, and we'd only have 5 tie-ins, and WMU is out.

Where's our rank in the MAC? Above Buffalo.

- Toledo [Dollar General Bowl, most likely]
- Akron
- Ohio [Bahamas Bowl]
- CMU
- NIU
- WMU --- Needs a 6th Bowl, Being in 6th Place in Default Pecking Order -- We Should Have it
- Buffalo

**But, AAC, lacking 1 team for 1 tie-in, may give up their WORST bowl slot -- the Cure Bowl vs Sunbelt... which we are NOT tied-in to.

I'm quite possibly wrong on this, but once it goes to secondary tie-ins and at-large bids, doesn't pecking order/conference strength all go out the window? Even though Akron (7-6) played in the MACC, they could still get passed up by NIU/CMU, etc?

(12-02-2017 06:31 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  We only have *4* bowl tie-ins this year. 1 less than last year.

- Dollar Bowl vs SB (usually MAC Champ - lol)
- Camelia Bowl vs SB
- Potato Bowl vs MW
- Bahamas Bowl vs CUSA (Ohio is going)

Secondary Agreements:
+ Quick Lane Bowl (if ACC or B1G cannot produce team; B1G will not -- MAC is Getting It)
Frisco Bowl (if AAC cannot produce team; UCF going to BCS Bowl Makes 6 AAC for 7 slots)
or
Boca Raton Bowl (if AAC or CUSA cannot produce team; AAC Can only fill 1 of Frisco or Boca)

So we only have 5 tie-ins, due to secondary Quick Lane Bowl. We *COULD* have a 6th tie-in, if AAC dismissing Frisco OR Boca -- where Boca is expensive and may do that, BUT if they ditch the Cure Bowl, we DON'T have a secondary tie-in, and we'd only have 5 tie-ins, and WMU is out.

Where's our rank in the MAC? Above Buffalo.

- Toledo [Dollar General Bowl, most likely]
- Akron
- Ohio [Bahamas Bowl]
- CMU
- NIU
- WMU --- Needs a 6th Bowl, Being in 6th Place in Default Pecking Order -- We Should Have it
- Buffalo

**But, AAC, lacking 1 team for 1 tie-in, may give up their WORST bowl slot -- the Cure Bowl vs Sunbelt... which we are NOT tied-in to.

I'm quite possibly wrong on this, but once it goes to secondary tie-ins and at-large bids, doesn't pecking order/conference strength all go out the window? Even though Akron (7-6) played in the MACC, they could still get passed up by NIU/CMU, etc?

With Akron winning the MAC East they get a bowl game no matter what.

Quote:but once it goes to secondary tie-ins and at-large bids, doesn't pecking order/conference strength all go out the window

No. Both teams going to the MACC go no matter what, then it's basically conference record. They're not going to keep NIU out and WMU in because WMU would draw many more fans to Detroit, when NIU beat WMU and has a better conference record. On a tie tho -- sure.