1 Alabama 11-0 Won
2 Clemson 10-1 Won
3 Miami 10-0 Won
4 Oklahoma 10-1 Won
5 Wisconsin 11-0 Won
6 Auburn 9-2 Won
7 Georgia 10-1 Won
8 Notre Dame 9-2 Won
9 Ohio State 9-2 Won
10 Penn State 9-2 Won
11 USC 10-2 Won
12 TCU 9-2 Won
13 Oklahoma State 8-3 Lost
14 Washington State 9-2 Off
15 UCF 10-0 Won
16 Mississippi State 8-3 Won
17 Michigan State 8-3 Won
18 Washington 9-2 Won
19 NC State 7-4 Lost
20 LSU 8-3 Won
21 Memphis 9-1 Won
22 Stanford 8-3 Won
23 Northwestern 8-3 Won
24 Michigan 8-3 Lost
25 Boise State 9-2 Won
NR USF 9-1 Won

#15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.

Nice work!

Would love to see a similar breakdown for the AP and Coaches Poll

UCF will move up one spot, and Memphis will move up one or two. I hope that USF breaks into the rankings this week. There is a shot, with both NC State and Michigan losing.

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

(11-19-2017 08:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

UCF will point to the cancelled GT game, but they just lost to Duke, so wouldn’t have helped SOS too much. My problem with all of this CFP is the built in subjectivity and bias. Going undefeated is extremely difficult and should be rewarded. For example, UCF had a couple of weeks where they didn’t look as sharp as earlier yet still won, then came back this week against Temple. If your team suffers the inevitable ups and wins your team should move up. UCF should be top 8, IMO.

(11-19-2017 09:50 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 08:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

UCF will point to the cancelled GT game, but they just lost to Duke, so wouldn’t have helped SOS too much. My problem with all of this CFP is the built in subjectivity and bias. Going undefeated is extremely difficult and should be rewarded. For example, UCF had a couple of weeks where they didn’t look as sharp as earlier yet still won, then came back this week against Temple. If your team suffers the inevitable ups and wins your team should move up. UCF should be top 8, IMO.

If UCF was top 8, the message sent by the CFP would be "schedule as weak as possible, because the only thing that matters is your winning %". And nobody wants to encourage that, just the opposite.

It's better for college football when teams schedule good OOC competition.

(11-19-2017 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 09:50 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 08:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.y

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

UCF will point to the cancelled GT game, but they just lost to Duke, so wouldn’t have helped SOS too much. My problem with all of this CFP is the built in subjectivity and bias. Going undefeated is extremely difficult and should be rewarded. For example, UCF had a couple of weeks where they didn’t look as sharp as earlier yet still won, then came back this week against Temple. If your team suffers the inevitable ups and wins your team should move up. UCF should be top 8, IMO.

If UCF was top 8, the message sent by the CFP would be "schedule as weak as possible, because the only thing that matters is your winning %". And nobody wants to encourage that, just the opposite.

It's better for college football when teams schedule good OOC competition.

No, what’s best for college football is eliminating subjectivity and bias. Since the current playoff system does not address this, it should be expanded to 16 team; all FBS champs plus 5 at-large. Because winning should matter, not school name, not eye test, not conference.

(11-19-2017 09:59 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 09:50 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 08:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.y

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

UCF will point to the cancelled GT game, but they just lost to Duke, so wouldn’t have helped SOS too much. My problem with all of this CFP is the built in subjectivity and bias. Going undefeated is extremely difficult and should be rewarded. For example, UCF had a couple of weeks where they didn’t look as sharp as earlier yet still won, then came back this week against Temple. If your team suffers the inevitable ups and wins your team should move up. UCF should be top 8, IMO.

If UCF was top 8, the message sent by the CFP would be "schedule as weak as possible, because the only thing that matters is your winning %". And nobody wants to encourage that, just the opposite.

It's better for college football when teams schedule good OOC competition.

No, what’s best for college football is eliminating subjectivity and bias. Since the current playoff system does not address this, it should be expanded to 16 team; all FBS champs plus 5 at-large. Because winning should matter, not school name, not eye test, not conference.

The only way it would make sense for the G5 to get automatic berths for their champs is if the playoffs included at least 32 teams, and that's not likely to happen.

It's the only reason they all get berths in the NCAA hoops tourney. If that was limited to 8 teams, the AAC wouldn't have an auto-bid to the tourney either.

Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

That would be my favorite scenario. When expansion comes it will probably go to 8.
5-"P5" Champs
1-"G5" Champ
3- At Large
This would still be elitist, but better. Or, as the NCAA Commissioner, Mark Emmert, who can't count says, "I'd like to see all five of the conference champions get in the playoff."
http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/penn-state...ving-again

(11-19-2017 09:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 09:50 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 08:19 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 02:09 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  #15 UCF now has a record better than or equal to 22 teams in the rankings
#15 UCF is one of only 4 teams with zero losses
#21 Memphis now has a record better than 16 teams in the rankings
Not Ranked USF now has a record better than or equal to 17 teams in the rankings

Of course I'm not attempting to compare strength of schedule. Only win-loss records.

But that's the problem for BOTH UCF and USF. They've been forced to play a number of conference teams with power ranking of over 100.

UCF will point to the cancelled GT game, but they just lost to Duke, so wouldn’t have helped SOS too much. My problem with all of this CFP is the built in subjectivity and bias. Going undefeated is extremely difficult and should be rewarded. For example, UCF had a couple of weeks where they didn’t look as sharp as earlier yet still won, then came back this week against Temple. If your team suffers the inevitable ups and wins your team should move up. UCF should be top 8, IMO.

If UCF was top 8, the message sent by the CFP would be "schedule as weak as possible, because the only thing that matters is your winning %". And nobody wants to encourage that, just the opposite.

It's better for college football when teams schedule good OOC competition.

So if 5 years ago we managed to get Florida and FSU on our OOC schedule for this season it would actually hurt our SoS....

(11-19-2017 11:08 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

That would be my favorite scenario. When expansion comes it will probably go to 8.
5-"P5" Champs
1-"G5" Champ
3- At Large
This would still be elitist, but better. Or, as the NCAA Commissioner, Mark Emmert, who can't count says, "I'd like to see all five of the conference champions get in the playoff."
http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/penn-state...ving-again

Sorry to be a "math Nazi" but 5 plus 1 plus 3 does not equal 8

(11-19-2017 11:54 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 11:08 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

That would be my favorite scenario. When expansion comes it will probably go to 8.
5-"P5" Champs
1-"G5" Champ
3- At Large
This would still be elitist, but better. Or, as the NCAA Commissioner, Mark Emmert, who can't count says, "I'd like to see all five of the conference champions get in the playoff."
http://www.csnphilly.com/ncaa/penn-state...ving-again

Sorry to be a "math Nazi" but 5 plus 1 plus 3 does not equal 8

Ha ha! New math. Thought no one would notice. I'm not even going to edit it.

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

Why is NIU the projected champ? They lost head to head against Toledo who controls their destiny with 6-5 WMU at home. NIU goes to 7-4 CMU and needs A toledo loss.

Also... There's no way that FAU is ranked ahead either NIU or TOLEDO or Ohio. FAU lost to Buffalo. ****... Toledo has better losses than Boise State too.

(11-19-2017 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

Why is NIU the projected champ? They lost head to head against Toledo who controls their destiny with 6-5 WMU at home. NIU goes to 7-4 CMU and needs A toledo loss.

Also... There's no way that FAU is ranked ahead either NIU or TOLEDO or Ohio. FAU lost to Buffalo. ****... Toledo has better losses than Boise State too.

Wow, that’s really your takeaway? I looked up current standings to pick a possible scenario for what a 16 team playoff might look like this year and your offended that Toledo is not in? Please read my lips: this is a conjecture (for Toedo grads read made up) to show that a 16 team playoff would be a pretty cool thing to watch. And I did not take the time to seed the teams, simply showing what 16 would look like. Even our USF and Memphis fans understand what this is and did not have a melt down like you did because they weren’t listed.

(11-19-2017 01:55 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

Why is NIU the projected champ? They lost head to head against Toledo who controls their destiny with 6-5 WMU at home. NIU goes to 7-4 CMU and needs A toledo loss.

Also... There's no way that FAU is ranked ahead either NIU or TOLEDO or Ohio. FAU lost to Buffalo. ****... Toledo has better losses than Boise State too.

Wow, that’s really your takeaway? I looked up current standings to pick a possible scenario for what a 16 team playoff might look like this year and your offended that Toledo is not in? Please read my lips: this is a conjecture (for Toedo grads read made up) to show that a 16 team playoff would be a pretty cool thing to watch. And I did not take the time to seed the teams, simply showing what 16 would look like. Even our USF and Memphis fans understand what this is and did not have a melt down like you did because they weren’t listed.

You forget, he specializes in meltdowns.

(11-19-2017 01:55 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

Why is NIU the projected champ? They lost head to head against Toledo who controls their destiny with 6-5 WMU at home. NIU goes to 7-4 CMU and needs A toledo loss.

Also... There's no way that FAU is ranked ahead either NIU or TOLEDO or Ohio. FAU lost to Buffalo. ****... Toledo has better losses than Boise State too.

Wow, that’s really your takeaway? I looked up current standings to pick a possible scenario for what a 16 team playoff might look like this year and your offended that Toledo is not in? Please read my lips: this is a conjecture (for Toedo grads read made up) to show that a 16 team playoff would be a pretty cool thing to watch. And I did not take the time to seed the teams, simply showing what 16 would look like. Even our USF and Memphis fans understand what this is and did not have a melt down like you did because they weren’t listed.

Then do it right. I wouldnt make a 16 team scenario and list USF as AAC champ either. It shows that people dont look in depth at some conferences and it makes the rest of the post a waste of time. The same thing as calling FIU the fighting kiffins. Wrong team.

(11-19-2017 02:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 01:55 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:37 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Projected 16 team playoff for 2017:
1. Alabama SEC champ
2. Oklahoma B12 champ
3. Clemson ACC champ
4. Wisconsin B10 champ
5. UCF American champ
6. USC PAC champ
7. Boise MW champ
8. FAU CUSA champ
9. NIU MAC champ
10. Troy Sunbelt champ
11. Georgia at large
12. Ohio State at large
13. Miami at large
14. TCU at large
15. Stanford at large
16. Notre Dame at large

Why is NIU the projected champ? They lost head to head against Toledo who controls their destiny with 6-5 WMU at home. NIU goes to 7-4 CMU and needs A toledo loss.

Also... There's no way that FAU is ranked ahead either NIU or TOLEDO or Ohio. FAU lost to Buffalo. ****... Toledo has better losses than Boise State too.

Wow, that’s really your takeaway? I looked up current standings to pick a possible scenario for what a 16 team playoff might look like this year and your offended that Toledo is not in? Please read my lips: this is a conjecture (for Toedo grads read made up) to show that a 16 team playoff would be a pretty cool thing to watch. And I did not take the time to seed the teams, simply showing what 16 would look like. Even our USF and Memphis fans understand what this is and did not have a melt down like you did because they weren’t listed.

Then do it right. I wouldnt make a 16 team scenario and list USF as AAC champ either. It shows that people dont look in depth at some conferences and it makes the rest of the post a waste of time. The same thing as calling FIU the fighting kiffins. Wrong team.

Very well then, as the progenitor of this thread, I hereby assign Toledo to the imaginary 16 team playoff.