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RE: Indiana State
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(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

How would Duke fare without Allen? Nova without Brunson? Teams dont have depth nowadays.

Regarding mid-majors, while being interviewed during ODU's game yesterday, Bobby Cremins mentioned depth as one of the things that coaches needed more of in today's college game than they needed in years past.
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RE: Indiana State
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(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

How would Duke fare without Allen? Nova without Brunson? Teams dont have depth nowadays.

i get your point, but both of those teams talent level top to bottom is not even close to ours. both of those teams would still be capable of making decent runs in the ncaa without those players. what would the talent level be of the player that steps in for allen in comparison to the average talent level at that position in the acc... now consider the same for brandans replacement, or treys replacement when compared to average talent level at that position in cusa. we should have a player ready to step in and at least be serviceable. duke could compete in the acc without allen. and we should be able to compete in cusa without trey. or brandan.

but like i said before, i honestly wasnt even thinking about that we had lost 2 players already
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RE: Indiana State
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(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.
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RE: Indiana State
(11-18-2017 11:45 AM)jasdf Wrote:  
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(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

How would Duke fare without Allen? Nova without Brunson? Teams dont have depth nowadays.

i get your point, but both of those teams talent level top to bottom is not even close to ours. both of those teams would still be capable of making decent runs in the ncaa without those players. what would the talent level be of the player that steps in for allen in comparison to the average talent level at that position in the acc... now consider the same for brandans replacement, or treys replacement when compared to average talent level at that position in cusa. we should have a player ready to step in and at least be serviceable. duke could compete in the acc without allen. and we should be able to compete in cusa without trey. or brandan.

but like i said before, i honestly wasnt even thinking about that we had lost 2 players already

We are talking abou depth, not talent level. There are cery few teams that can compete without their best player. No one in CUSA could.
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RE: Indiana State
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(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.

One could make a strong argument that our worst player in ODU's lone loss (Temple) was BJ, not Haynes.
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RE: Indiana State
(11-18-2017 11:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:45 AM)jasdf Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

How would Duke fare without Allen? Nova without Brunson? Teams dont have depth nowadays.

i get your point, but both of those teams talent level top to bottom is not even close to ours. both of those teams would still be capable of making decent runs in the ncaa without those players. what would the talent level be of the player that steps in for allen in comparison to the average talent level at that position in the acc... now consider the same for brandans replacement, or treys replacement when compared to average talent level at that position in cusa. we should have a player ready to step in and at least be serviceable. duke could compete in the acc without allen. and we should be able to compete in cusa without trey. or brandan.

but like i said before, i honestly wasnt even thinking about that we had lost 2 players already

We are talking abou depth, not talent level. There are cery few teams that can compete without their best player. No one in CUSA could.

how many best players do we have? you said that if we lose trey we are done. if we lose brandan we are done. if we lose bj we are probably done. it sounds like you think that the players next in line behind any of those three are so bad that having just one of them on the court instead would ruin our season.
but again...that probably is the case because we are down 2 players, which i had said before i wasnt even thinking about. this might not even be a problem if those two were available this season.

and if we arent talking about talent level being an important aspect of depth..why are you mentioning losing our "best" player? or grayson allen ffs...why would it matter if the next guy was talented enough to at least not ruin the entire season by having to play more minutes?

unfortunately for us, we are missing two bodies that would have to step in for trey or brandan if they were to get hurt. do you think if those two players were available that we could compete in this conference if we were to lose one these three "best" players that you've mentioned?
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RE: Indiana State
(11-18-2017 11:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.

One could make a strong argument that our worst player in ODU's lone loss (Temple) was BJ, not Haynes.

Thats one game and it wasnt bad play in a sense of not being able to play because of fouls. When BJ is on court, he has been ok.
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RE: Indiana State
(11-18-2017 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:59 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.

One could make a strong argument that our worst player in ODU's lone loss (Temple) was BJ, not Haynes.

Thats one game and it wasnt bad play in a sense of not being able to play because of fouls. When BJ is on court, he has been ok.

Sure it is just one game. We've only played four. His bad play caused him to end up on the bench in foul trouble in the first half. I believe he quickly picked up his third in the second half. Never could get himself into the flow of things on the offensive end. Word-smith it anyway you like, but he played as poorly or worse than anyone else in the only game that ODU has lost thus far. I'm definitely not saying he is a bad player. Just saying that he probably played the worst of anyone in the lone loss.
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RE: Indiana State
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.
Haynes is not the same player as Baker. All Baker did on offense is lag around the perimeter and shoot 3s if wide open. Haynes can penetrate and create shots. Even if his 3s aren't falling he adds elements making him much more dangerous and difficult to guard than Baker.

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(11-18-2017 04:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.
Haynes is not the same player as Baker. All Baker did on offense is lag around the perimeter and shoot 3s if wide open. Haynes can penetrate and create shots. Even if his 3s aren't falling he adds elements making him much more dangerous and difficult to guard than Baker.

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He had the talent to do so you mean.
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(11-18-2017 04:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.
Haynes is not the same player as Baker. All Baker did on offense is lag around the perimeter and shoot 3s if wide open. Haynes can penetrate and create shots. Even if his 3s aren't falling he adds elements making him much more dangerous and difficult to guard than Baker.

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Agree 100%. Even though Haynes has not played as well as we have liked yet, I would take him over Baker any day. His defense has been solid and teams have to play him. He is a threat in the open court and helps against the press, things Baker never developed.
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(11-18-2017 05:44 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 04:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:53 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

Not intentionally. Haynes has just been our worst player. His on ball defense is pretty good. His offense has been (so far) worse than Bakers. At least Jordan recognized his offensive limitations.

Haynes has talent. I hope it comes for him.......soon.
Haynes is not the same player as Baker. All Baker did on offense is lag around the perimeter and shoot 3s if wide open. Haynes can penetrate and create shots. Even if his 3s aren't falling he adds elements making him much more dangerous and difficult to guard than Baker.

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Agree 100%. Even though Haynes has not played as well as we have liked yet, I would take him over Baker any day. His defense has been solid and teams have to play him. He is a threat in the open court and helps against the press, things Baker never developed.
This. Giles fails to see a players effect on the rest of the team beyond the numbers. The simple fact that teams guard him makes him more of an asset to our overall offense than JB.

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When did I say I would take Baker over Haynes?
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What were we saying about Haynes not scoring?
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Glad they didn't ban Randy's three pointers from the offense as someone had wished they would earlier. He works too hard on his game to continue to shoot as poorly as he had been. It is easy to see that he is not the same player that we saw last season. He put in some hours in the gym during the off season and it shows.

He along with a few others on the team need to strive to become more consistent. Don't need to be great one game and poor the next. Consistently good is better, and then as Blaine used to say, "Be at your best when your best is needed".
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Thanks DaBig. That sure didn't look like the team I saw play Towson. That was beautiful.
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