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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

That possibility is certainly plausible. Adding WVU and OU would be a steal.

If that were to happen, it would pretty much force the B1G's hand (IMO) to go all out to try and land Texas.

If the B1G considers itself to be the best conference or on par with the SEC (depending on your perspective), they couldn't allow the SEC to pick-up both OU and WVU without answering. The only option would be Texas and if that means they get to bring a friend, they'd have to agree.
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The key will B to watch for
IF there is movement
Of the CFP from 4 teams to 8
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SEC has conf network, why would they even look at Okla
SEC is looking at NC & VA
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 11:35 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The bold font above ^ states the primary reason why the B12 isn’t viable long term: It cannot increase its value because of myopic leadership, which caused certain schools (like Louisville which OU has never gotten over losing) to become unattainable. The last B12 expansion fiasco clearly indicated that the networks aren’t willing to pay more for G5 expansion. Moreover, the B12 is not in the position to raid another “Power” conference. Thus, its future fate is inevitable—unable to maximize future TV/Cable/Streaming….

In addition to this, UT and OU are not going to stay in a conference while former B12 members are making approximately $50 mil in TV revenue alone in the B1G and SEC. Despite making less $$, CU is content with being in the PAC 12. Furthermore, the ACCN will eventually propel the ACC past the B12 financially. Consequently, when the ACC surpasses the B12 financially, certain marquee schools in the B12 will consider other options in my opinion.

Nevertheless, I doubt that the B12 will totally dissolve because there are too many schools in the AAC and MWC which would eagerly join a rebuilding B12. What happens to WV will determine which conference (the AAC or MWC) gets decimated. Therefore, this thread should be entitled: Will the AAC or MWC eventually dissolve
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 01:57 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 11:35 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The bold font above ^ states the primary reason why the B12 isn’t viable long term: It cannot increase its value because of myopic leadership, which caused certain schools (like Louisville which OU has never gotten over losing) to become unattainable. The last B12 expansion fiasco clearly indicated that the networks aren’t willing to pay more for G5 expansion. Moreover, the B12 is not in the position to raid another “Power” conference. Thus, its future fate is inevitable—unable to maximize future TV/Cable/Streaming….

In addition to this, UT and OU are not going to stay in a conference while former B12 members are making approximately $50 mil in TV revenue alone in the B1G and SEC. Despite making less $$, CU is content with being in the PAC 12. Furthermore, the ACCN will eventually propel the ACC past the B12 financially. Consequently, when the ACC surpasses the B12 financially, certain marquee schools in the B12 will consider other options in my opinion.

Nevertheless, I doubt that the B12 will totally dissolve because there are too many schools in the AAC and MWC which would eagerly join a rebuilding B12. What happens to WV will determine which conference (the AAC or MWC) gets decimated. Therefore, this thread should be entitled: Will the AAC or MWC eventually dissolve

It will likely be the AAC that gets dismantled regardless of what happens to WV, although the MWC may lose school or two. It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 02:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 01:57 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 11:35 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The bold font above ^ states the primary reason why the B12 isn’t viable long term: It cannot increase its value because of myopic leadership, which caused certain schools (like Louisville which OU has never gotten over losing) to become unattainable. The last B12 expansion fiasco clearly indicated that the networks aren’t willing to pay more for G5 expansion. Moreover, the B12 is not in the position to raid another “Power” conference. Thus, its future fate is inevitable—unable to maximize future TV/Cable/Streaming….

In addition to this, UT and OU are not going to stay in a conference while former B12 members are making approximately $50 mil in TV revenue alone in the B1G and SEC. Despite making less $$, CU is content with being in the PAC 12. Furthermore, the ACCN will eventually propel the ACC past the B12 financially. Consequently, when the ACC surpasses the B12 financially, certain marquee schools in the B12 will consider other options in my opinion.

Nevertheless, I doubt that the B12 will totally dissolve because there are too many schools in the AAC and MWC which would eagerly join a rebuilding B12. What happens to WV will determine which conference (the AAC or MWC) gets decimated. Therefore, this thread should be entitled: Will the AAC or MWC eventually dissolve

It will likely be the AAC that gets dismantled regardless of what happens to WV, although the MWC may lose school or two. It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.

I agree with the W Virginia thing. If the B12 falls apart and W Virginia is left behind, then the AAC probably takes a serious beating. Houston, Memphis, and Cinci are gone. Then I suspect W Virginia would get some friends---Navy, UConn and maybe ECU or a Florida school or two. Then maybe BYU and a MW school might get added.

The vast majority of the carnage would be in the AAC. If West Virginia is gone from the Big12, then the AAC probably still gets hit, but the damage might be 66% AAC and 33% MW.

That said, I think the Big12 probably ends up surviving pretty much as is. I doubt they lose or add anyone.
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(11-15-2017 09:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Oklahoma will ultimately guide the next round of realignment. If they still want out when the GOR is near its end and either the SEC and/or Big Ten are interested they are gone. Either of those moves would be more profitable than a Pac 16 deal.

How peeved would Texas be if the Sooners started playing the Aggies at the Texas State Fair in the Cotton Bowl?

Another point I'd like to make is that Kansas is not going to the Big Ten unless a true college football blueblood comes with them. Basketball maybe makes up 20% of a conference's tv value--Delaney is not interested in a school that does nothing for the other 80%.

Regarding Texas, I see obstacles to them joining any of the Other major conferences if Oklahoma leaves. If Oklahoma goes to the SEC with Kansas/Okla St the SEC house is going to be pretty full at 16. Squeezing in Texas would require a total paradigm shift to what a conference is. The Big Ten is an academic fit put not a cultural one. The Pac 12 is a similar situation but one where the money wouldn't be as good. For the Pac 12 to land Texas I think Texas would have to bring no fewer than 3 schools of their choosing and Washington and the California 4 are not going to like any of them. The ACC is an even harder sell--bad cultural fit and bad geography. Truthfully Texas would be happiest in a post-Oklahoma Big 12 where Houston and a tenth school are brought in as replacements. I'm not sure who the leading candidate would be for #10 but there about a dozen possibilities.

Technically, the 80-20 ratio is problematic for programs that focus on basketball. On the other hand, Kansas isn't like any other basketball program. It's one of the bluebloods and is located in a region that identifies with basketball-friendly programs. And for a conference that hasn't won a men's championship in a long time it may prove to be a tempting target. Ultimately, the numbers might not pan out for a single add but I wouldn't say they're an automatic "No." It would be a case of the presidents explaining to the KU admin why they can't be added at that point in time but let's keep in touch.
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(11-17-2017 01:13 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Technically, the 80-20 ratio is problematic for programs that focus on basketball. On the other hand, Kansas isn't like any other basketball program. It's one of the bluebloods and is located in a region that identifies with basketball-friendly programs. And for a conference that hasn't won a men's championship in a long time it may prove to be a tempting target. Ultimately, the numbers might not pan out for a single add but I wouldn't say they're an automatic "No." It would be a case of the presidents explaining to the KU admin why they can't be added at that point in time but let's keep in touch.

In a conference with payouts in the $50M range, even the best basketball blueblood isn't going to be a consideration unless OU or UT are with them.
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-16-2017 01:57 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 11:35 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The bold font above ^ states the primary reason why the B12 isn’t viable long term: It cannot increase its value because of myopic leadership, which caused certain schools (like Louisville which OU has never gotten over losing) to become unattainable. The last B12 expansion fiasco clearly indicated that the networks aren’t willing to pay more for G5 expansion. Moreover, the B12 is not in the position to raid another “Power” conference. Thus, its future fate is inevitable—unable to maximize future TV/Cable/Streaming….

In addition to this, UT and OU are not going to stay in a conference while former B12 members are making approximately $50 mil in TV revenue alone in the B1G and SEC. Despite making less $$, CU is content with being in the PAC 12. Furthermore, the ACCN will eventually propel the ACC past the B12 financially. Consequently, when the ACC surpasses the B12 financially, certain marquee schools in the B12 will consider other options in my opinion.

Nevertheless, I doubt that the B12 will totally dissolve because there are too many schools in the AAC and MWC which would eagerly join a rebuilding B12. What happens to WV will determine which conference (the AAC or MWC) gets decimated. Therefore, this thread should be entitled: Will the AAC or MWC eventually dissolve

The answer is still no, The AAC and MWC will raid from below. Belt and USA teams would jump at the chance to move up the food chain.
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
The strong bet in my view is Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten West.

The new 16 team Big Ten would look like this
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern
East: IU, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Wisconsin

After that I could see the rest of the Big XII looking for to get out.

I have Texas and Texas Tech moving to PAC-12.
North: Utah, Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
South: Texas, Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, UCLA, USC

SEC grabs Oklahoma State and TCU
SEC East: Florida, Georgia, Vandy, Tenn, UK, S. Car, Alabama, Auburn,
SEC West: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Miss State, TCU, A&M

ACC grabs UConn and WVU but I have no idea what they will do with divisions

Kansas State and Iowa State merge with the American along with Colorado State.

American/Big XII leftovers
West: Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado State, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis
East: Navy, Tulane, ECU, Cincinnati, Temple, USF, UCF
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Okla loses it Tex recurits in B-10, now thier another Nebraska
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(11-17-2017 08:46 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Okla loses it Tex recurits in B-10, now thier another Nebraska

I don't think it would have nearly the impact on Oklahoma as it has had on Nebraska by not playing games regularly in Texas. Oklahoma is as close to the talent hot bed of DFW as University of Texas is and closer than Texas A&M.

Oklahoma also has quite a bit more in state talent than Nebraska does. Of Oklahoma's 7 **** or ***** star commits in the 2018 class, 3 are from Oklahoma. 2 from Texas, 1 from Missouri, and 1 from California (by way of IMG in FL).
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(11-17-2017 08:34 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  ACC grabs UConn and WVU but I have no idea what they do with divisions

If the ACC can score another strong northern team like WVU or, dare I say, ND, a North/South split would not be too imbalanced competitively.
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(11-17-2017 08:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 02:18 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 01:57 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 11:35 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 10:22 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If, assuming here, that OU and the SEC would bond around 2023/24, the SEC would seek a plausible another to the east. Recognizing no ACC option would be available at the time, there is only one high profile, contiguous choice: West Virginia. Even that may not be met with enthusiasm.

Robert Allen, Long Time Okie St "insider"
Claims that OU & Okie St
have an SEC "offer" on the table.

IF, a HUGE IF,
IF that scenario played out,
supposedly, Bama & Auburn
would agree to move to the SEC East
& Mizzu would move back to the SEC West.

Don't B surprised
when it is all said & done
on future TV/Cable/Streaming contracts
Big 12 stays as is.....

The bold font above ^ states the primary reason why the B12 isn’t viable long term: It cannot increase its value because of myopic leadership, which caused certain schools (like Louisville which OU has never gotten over losing) to become unattainable. The last B12 expansion fiasco clearly indicated that the networks aren’t willing to pay more for G5 expansion. Moreover, the B12 is not in the position to raid another “Power” conference. Thus, its future fate is inevitable—unable to maximize future TV/Cable/Streaming….

In addition to this, UT and OU are not going to stay in a conference while former B12 members are making approximately $50 mil in TV revenue alone in the B1G and SEC. Despite making less $$, CU is content with being in the PAC 12. Furthermore, the ACCN will eventually propel the ACC past the B12 financially. Consequently, when the ACC surpasses the B12 financially, certain marquee schools in the B12 will consider other options in my opinion.

Nevertheless, I doubt that the B12 will totally dissolve because there are too many schools in the AAC and MWC which would eagerly join a rebuilding B12. What happens to WV will determine which conference (the AAC or MWC) gets decimated. Therefore, this thread should be entitled: Will the AAC or MWC eventually dissolve

1) It will likely be the AAC that gets dismantled regardless of what happens to WV, although the MWC may lose school or two. It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.

2) The answer is still no, The AAC and MWC will raid from below. Belt and USA teams would jump at the chance to move up the food chain.

I've combined posts 1 and 2 into this response:

1) I disagree with your opinion that the AAC will get “dismantled regardless of what happens to WV… [and] It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.” If WV is not left behind in the B12 when it implodes, the remaining B12 schools would have to be absolutely asinine to expand eastward into the footprints of the ACC, B1G, and SEC with the unrealistic expectation of competing for viewers in those three markets. In fact, if WV is left behind, the remaining B12 schools would be better off cutting ties with it and absorbing most of the MWC. They would control certain markets like New Mexico and Nevada while only competing with the PAC 12 for most of their remaining markets.

2) I will expound more on point #1 to illustrate a realistic realignment scenario which would dissolve the MWC: UT, OU, TT, and OSU go to the PAC 12. The ACC decides to take WV; this leaves Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and TCU. Except for TCU, the aforementioned B12 schools were going to absorb the Big East in 2011 after possibly losing UT, OU, TT, and OSU:

“The sources said that if Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were to leave the Big 12 and the five remaining schools do not have an opportunity to join the ACC, SEC or Big Ten, the Big 12 would move to absorb remaining Big East schools -- not the other way around.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ources-say

The only thing that prevented this from happening was UT refusing to give up control of the LHN to the PAC 12:

“But it appears the ‘deal’ fell through before either president could take any sort of action, as Scott and Texas reportedly could not come to an agreement on how to pursue the Longhorn Network.”

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...c-12-snub/

My point: In 2011, an almost decimated B12 still had the power to absorb/raid the Big East—which was considered a power conference lower in status to the B12. Consequently, if the B12 implodes in the future and WV escapes, it’s a strong possibility that the same schools (along with TCU) will look to absorb and dissolve the entire MWC. If BYU decides to join them, I think Hawaii and San Jose St are left out of the new B16….
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(11-17-2017 01:21 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I combined posts 1 and 2 into this response:

1) I disagree with your opinion that the AAC will get “dismantled regardless of what happens to WV… [and] It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.” If WV is not left behind in the B12 when it implodes, the remaining B12 schools would have to be absolutely asinine to expand eastward into the footprints of the ACC, B1G, and SEC with the unrealistic expectation of competing for viewers in those three markets. In fact, if WV is left behind, the remaining B12 schools would be better off cutting ties with it and absorbing most of the MWC. They would control certain markets like New Mexico and Nevada while only competing with the PAC 12 for most of their remaining markets.

2) I will expound more on point #1 to illustrate a realistic realignment scenario which would dissolve the MWC: UT, OU, TT, and OSU go to the PAC 12. The ACC decides to take WV; this leaves Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and TCU. Except for TCU, the aforementioned B12 schools were going to absorb the Big East in 2011 after possibly losing UT, OU, TT, and OSU:

“The sources said that if Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were to leave the Big 12 and the five remaining schools do not have an opportunity to join the ACC, SEC or Big Ten, the Big 12 would move to absorb remaining Big East schools -- not the other way around.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ources-say

The only thing that prevented this from happening was UT refusing to give up control of the LHN to the PAC 12:

“But it appears the ‘deal’ fell through before either president could take any sort of action, as Scott and Texas reportedly could not come to an agreement on how to pursue the Longhorn Network.”

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...c-12-snub/

My point: In 2011, an almost decimated B12 still had the power to absorb/raid the Big East—which was considered a power conference lower in status to the B12. Consequently, if the B12 implodes in the future and WV escapes, it’s a strong possibility that the same schools (along with TCU) will look to absorb and dissolve the entire MWC. If BYU decides to join them, I think Hawaii and San Jose St are left out of the new B16….

San Jose St seems likely to go the way of Idaho and, eventually, New Mexico St. Hawaii, on the other hand, has a great opportunity to be an independent. PAC schools and MWC could schedule home-home series' with them. Late season series actually might not be as difficult for Hawaii as other schools.

I wouldn't mind that XVI (obviously). I just wonder why the remaining XII schools would feel like joining with MWC schools over AAC schools. Why not the AAC + TCU/Baylor/Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St + Army (fb)?
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(11-17-2017 01:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 01:21 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I combined posts 1 and 2 into this response:

1) I disagree with your opinion that the AAC will get “dismantled regardless of what happens to WV… [and] It's more desirable for the Big 12 to expand east than west.” If WV is not left behind in the B12 when it implodes, the remaining B12 schools would have to be absolutely asinine to expand eastward into the footprints of the ACC, B1G, and SEC with the unrealistic expectation of competing for viewers in those three markets. In fact, if WV is left behind, the remaining B12 schools would be better off cutting ties with it and absorbing most of the MWC. They would control certain markets like New Mexico and Nevada while only competing with the PAC 12 for most of their remaining markets.

2) I will expound more on point #1 to illustrate a realistic realignment scenario which would dissolve the MWC: UT, OU, TT, and OSU go to the PAC 12. The ACC decides to take WV; this leaves Baylor, ISU, KU, KSU, and TCU. Except for TCU, the aforementioned B12 schools were going to absorb the Big East in 2011 after possibly losing UT, OU, TT, and OSU:

“The sources said that if Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were to leave the Big 12 and the five remaining schools do not have an opportunity to join the ACC, SEC or Big Ten, the Big 12 would move to absorb remaining Big East schools -- not the other way around.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ources-say

The only thing that prevented this from happening was UT refusing to give up control of the LHN to the PAC 12:

“But it appears the ‘deal’ fell through before either president could take any sort of action, as Scott and Texas reportedly could not come to an agreement on how to pursue the Longhorn Network.”

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...c-12-snub/

My point: In 2011, an almost decimated B12 still had the power to absorb/raid the Big East—which was considered a power conference lower in status to the B12. Consequently, if the B12 implodes in the future and WV escapes, it’s a strong possibility that the same schools (along with TCU) will look to absorb and dissolve the entire MWC. If BYU decides to join them, I think Hawaii and San Jose St are left out of the new B16….

San Jose St seems likely to go the way of Idaho and, eventually, New Mexico St. Hawaii, on the other hand, has a great opportunity to be an independent. PAC schools and MWC could schedule home-home series' with them. Late season series actually might not be as difficult for Hawaii as other schools.

I wouldn't mind that XVI (obviously). I just wonder why the remaining XII schools would feel like joining with MWC schools over AAC schools. Why not the AAC + TCU/Baylor/Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St + Army (fb)?

Please read the above red font again and focus on the underlined parts.... This is only my opinion, and I welcome different perspectives regarding the practicality of a rebuilt B12/14/16 expanding east and trying to compete in the ACC, B1G, and SEC markets when it could easily expand west and "only" compete with the PAC 12….
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BYU, Colo St, Hous, TCU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, ISU [UTEP, UTSA]

WV, Conn, USF, UCF, Memp, Cin, Temple, Buffalo

BYU, Boise, SDST, Frenso, UNLV, Colo St, NM, Haw,

Iwould go east to get BYU in my div, Preance in NYC & Fla, TV ratings & time slots
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The biggest deciding factor with the continuation of the Big 12 brand will be how many teams will be left over if/when defections occur. If it is only a Texas/Oklahoma combination, the Big 12 will absolutely continue on with fill-ins from AAC/MWC and be considered the top tweener conference (no power blue chip programs to anchor it). However, if that number gets into the 4-6 range, then you get into the conversation of whether or not the league would disband, or if the members would still want to continue the brand.

From a branding standpoint, the Big 12 - in name - is still worth more than what the American/Mountain West is because of the history associated with it. Even if it overwhelmingly backfills with AAC/MWC teams, they too would choose to want the Big 12 brand than the current AAC/MWC brand because of the traditional perception of it being a non-power conference.
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(11-17-2017 08:46 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Okla loses it Tex recurits in B-10, now thier another Nebraska


uh...no. Oklahoma's best recruiting days in Texas were when they were in a different conference and only played one Texas team each year
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(11-14-2017 12:44 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  I think Texas and Oklahoma already have a handshake deal to leave the Big 12 as the GOR expires. I have no inside info, but the reason is the way Boren changed his tune during the recent weird expansion attempt.

Boren said the Big 12 was disfunctional and basically worthless, and that was a direct swipe at Texas and its history of looking out for itself not others. He made no secret out of his desire for Oklahoma to leave the Big 12. His criticism continued as they went through the expansion beauty show, but all of a sudden it changed and Oklahoma was happy being in the Big 12 as is, with a conference championship game. That 180 turn in attitude was bizarre. You know there were back office channel discussions with Texas during that time, and with the turnover in Texas leadership it makes sense that those discussions gave Boren the assurance he wanted. A deal to work together and go as a pair to the conference of their choice would explain why Boren suddenly changed his tune.

Oklahoma and Texas are two powerhouse programs that any conference would want. The SEC and B1G would take them both, but it's clear they would not take any little brothers along with them. I think that's OK, though because the groundwork has already been laid. Boren tried to move with OSU in tow to the PAC but got rejected. It's clear neither the SEC nor B1G wants little brothers either, and I can't see any politician in Oklahoma or Texas blocking a move that would benefit their flagship schools.

Adding Oklahoma and Texas would bring the SEC or B1G to 16 and that might be the stopping point for either. I think it's possible that the B1G would also take Kansas, but only if a partner school is available and none of the potential candidates (e.g. Virginia, UNC or in a wild scenario, A&M or Missouri) would seem willing to make the move.

So what happens to the rest of the Big 12 - I think WVU goes to the AAC and the rest work out what ever deal they can get to 'merge' with the Mountain west. That's not a great result for them but that could be their lot in life.


You make some good points. However, the top talking head in the SEC has said if the SEC expands they will go after OU and OSU. The top talking head at OSU says OU and OSU have a standing offer from the SEC. If you know anything about Texas you know they will not be going to the SEC. Texas pride will not follow little brother anywhere.
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