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(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
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(11-11-2017 09:32 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  I disagree completely. UCF's biggest non-conference win was over a Maryland team that is going to finish 4-8. USF's biggest non-conference win was over an Illinois team that is going to finish 2-10 and UM's biggest win is over a UCLA team that could finish 4-8. It is just the way things fell this year. Our conference is top to bottom much better this year. We should take note of what the AAC is doing and schedule lower tier non-conference teams.

i dont care about the the conference realignment argument, i believe you have to make the best of your situation..

but i just want to point out how the highlighted debate would work anywhere but the c-usa forum...literally anywhere else...the reason people are mocking usf and ucf schedule is because the best teams in c-usa doesn't get respect from the national media

--navy blew out fau..the favorite to win all of c-usa (navy is likely to finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--ucf blew out fiu. the #2 favorite to win c-usa

--smu blew out unt, who will win c-usa west (smu will finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--UM's biggest win is navy or houston, not ucla
--Houston already beat 6-3 Arizona that has a Heisman candidate

"Our conference is top to bottom much better this year" ???
--the AAC's worst team, ECU, beat byu (who beat middling mwc teams)....Arguably second to worst team, tulane, has a win over a 8 win army

are you basing your argument on bowl eligibility?..parity to get more bowl teams doesnt mean better ..the pac 12 will have the most bowl teams this year, but is considered the worst p5 this year....their bowl teams doesnt mean they are better than the SEC or that they are top to bottom better

ive seem a few posts in this forum that this year the AAC isnt better, its just perceptions. but we at the aac are the delusional ones?

I don't buy that. FIU and FAU had new coaches playing in their only first games under the new regimes.

Today FAU blows out Navy, and, at the very least, FIU should have a closer game against UCF

why? because fau/fiu started winning c-usa games??

that navy game wasnt even close

if it was just fiu and fau i might buy that....but its not...unt, uab...all looked bad in ooc but all magically figure it out in conference play..all your top teams!!

uab is returning from a self imposed death penalty and is projected to win 8 games ..on its first year!...that shouldnt be happening at any truly competitive league

we had this debate with some fau fans in the AAC forum... i get that as a fau fan you want to believe you just got THAT MUCH BETTER!!!!
but any logical person not biased can see the level of play in the c-usa this year is very low...allowing the better of all those bad teams to look better than they should

you arent blowing out navy, thats a fact..ucf and memphis barely beat navy but fau is winning 20+ ridiculous

FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

03-lmfao FAU is good but 40?
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(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...
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(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

FAU lose 14-31 to Wisconsin, in only their second game under this coaching regime. Wisconsin that is still undefeated. Well, guess what, they allow more than that to UNT. So, does that make UNT better than Wisconsin? Think of what you are saying. Because it makes absolutely no sense.
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(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

I think if you can claim the Temple loss due to QB injury, you can surely imply FAU wasn't playing their A game 1st game with new coaching staff, and a lot of new transfers.

I don't think UCF's scoring pedigree matters, because they haven't played anyone of relevance (according to sports analysts).

Navy has a lot of close games against not so great teams.

FAU is obviously playing much better than game 1 of this season and Navy is not. I'm a Navy fan, but FAU would easily beat them at this point.
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(11-11-2017 11:46 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

FAU lose 14-31 to Wisconsin, in only their second game under this coaching regime. Wisconsin that is still undefeated. Well, guess what, they allow more than that to UNT. So, does that make UNT better than Wisconsin? Think of what you are saying. Because it makes absolutely no sense.

your are bring very bad logic...first of all Wisconsin won...and unt lost. regardless of how each of team scored

and do you understand style of play????????
your really dont...
wisconsin is a power run, prostyle team, their team isnt built to score in large amouts of points..purdue kept them to 17 and Illinois kept them to 24..i guess they have great defenses too?

similar to your triple option comment... your are guaranteeing 40 point on navy...when navys offense is built to kill time.. whenever navy plays a team they cant outscore, they run 8-9 min drives and dont give you enough drives to score....

navy beat ND few seasons ago, ND had 7 total drives for that game...if you remove the running out the half drives (5 left)....ND had basically 1 drive a quarter...which is why getting down early is the kiss of death for the triple option as their 8/9min drives actually hurts them, so they have to give up their game plan

i ont think you really understand football like that..and are just drinking the fau kool-aide
but dont let me burst your bubble
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(11-11-2017 11:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:46 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

FAU lose 14-31 to Wisconsin, in only their second game under this coaching regime. Wisconsin that is still undefeated. Well, guess what, they allow more than that to UNT. So, does that make UNT better than Wisconsin? Think of what you are saying. Because it makes absolutely no sense.

your are bring very bad logic...first of all Wisconsin won...and unt lost. regardless of how each of team scored

and do you understand style of play????????
your really dont...
wisconsin is a power run, prostyle team, their team isnt built to score in large amouts of points..purdue kept them to 17 and Illinois kept them to 24..i guess they have great defenses too?

similar to your triple option comment... your are guaranteeing 40 point on navy...when navys offense is built to kill time.. whenever navy plays a team they cant outscore, they run 8-9 min drives and dont give you enough drives to score....

navy beat ND few seasons ago, ND had 7 total drives for that game...if you remove the running out the half drives (5 left)....ND had basically 1 drive a quarter...which is why getting down early is the kiss of death for the triple option as their 8/9min drives actually hurts them, so they have to give up their game plan

i ont think you really understand football like that..and are just drinking the fau kool-aide
but dont let me burst your bubble

You are totally clueless. In the first game of the season, FAU is a PASSING TEAM. So, FAU of the first week is not even the same team as it is right now. They may as well be a different school.

Secondly, I am using YOUR argument to show how clueless you are, which is why I mentioned Wisconsin. You could not even understand that.

Just today, FAU scored 48 points against an opponent that had the ball for 40 minutes. Ultimately, how much time Navy has the ball is not going to matter, because FAU would score on almost every drive.
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(11-11-2017 11:50 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

I think if you can claim the Temple loss due to QB injury, you can surely imply FAU wasn't playing their A game 1st game with new coaching staff, and a lot of new transfers.

I don't think UCF's scoring pedigree matters, because they haven't played anyone of relevance (according to sports analysts).

Navy has a lot of close games against not so great teams.

FAU is obviously playing much better than game 1 of this season and Navy is not. I'm a Navy fan, but FAU would easily beat them at this point.

i never claimed the navy loss was due to the qb alone, but also the fact they were down early...getting a big lead on a triple option team is how to beat them (they arent built to catch up)

and temple/navu gme was atleast close...navy DESTROYED fau..it wasnt remotely close.. like navy was sparing fau in the 4th quarter..nvay could have scored 60+ if they chose 2

fau is top 5 in the nation in returning players...navy is bottom 20....their is bigger argument that navy improving over the season than fau

ucf blew out memphis who is top 25..they blew out maryland (before qb kasim hills injury, after beating texas) they blew out fiu..these were 40 point blowouts

how is navy not playing better..they just beat 6-3 smu.
you dont seem to now much about navy either
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Air Force Academy scored 45 on Navy.
SMU just scored 40 on Navy.

But FAU, possessing a 7th best rushing attack and 14th best scoring attack in the nation can't?
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(11-12-2017 12:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:50 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

I think if you can claim the Temple loss due to QB injury, you can surely imply FAU wasn't playing their A game 1st game with new coaching staff, and a lot of new transfers.

I don't think UCF's scoring pedigree matters, because they haven't played anyone of relevance (according to sports analysts).

Navy has a lot of close games against not so great teams.

FAU is obviously playing much better than game 1 of this season and Navy is not. I'm a Navy fan, but FAU would easily beat them at this point.

i never claimed the navy loss was due to the qb alone, but also the fact they were down early...getting a big lead on a triple option team is how to beat them (they arent built to catch up)

and temple/navu gme was atleast close...navy DESTROYED fau..it wasnt remotely close.. like navy was sparing fau in the 4th quarter..nvay could have scored 60+ if they chose 2

fau is top 5 in the nation in returning players...navy is bottom 20....their is bigger argument that navy improving over the season than fau

ucf blew out memphis who is top 25..they blew out maryland (before qb kasim hills injury, after beating texas) they blew out fiu..these were 40 point blowouts

how is navy not playing better..they just beat 6-3 smu.
you dont seem to now much about navy either

Let me repeat something that, I feel, you totally missed. Not only is FAU is improving, it is a DIFFERENT TEAM from the one that played the first week. It is a paradigm change in this case. FAU in the first week is a PASS-FIRST team, today, or about from fourth game this season, FAU are a RUN-FIRST team. Kiffin finally arrived at a formula that works. It's like it's not even the same school.
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(11-12-2017 12:05 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:46 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 11:07 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  FAU doesn't even start the same QB anymore. FAU is playing a different game, and everyone is on the same page. Had you seen the FAU - Navy game you would have known the guys looked like they had never met. For freak's sake, they couldn't even snap the ball right!

FAU would drop 40 on Navy, for certain. The open question is how much FAU's defense had improved. That they had improved you could see in FAU's next game at Wisconsin.

ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

FAU lose 14-31 to Wisconsin, in only their second game under this coaching regime. Wisconsin that is still undefeated. Well, guess what, they allow more than that to UNT. So, does that make UNT better than Wisconsin? Think of what you are saying. Because it makes absolutely no sense.

your are bring very bad logic...first of all Wisconsin won...and unt lost. regardless of how each of team scored

and do you understand style of play????????
your really dont...
wisconsin is a power run, prostyle team, their team isnt built to score in large amouts of points..purdue kept them to 17 and Illinois kept them to 24..i guess they have great defenses too?

similar to your triple option comment... your are guaranteeing 40 point on navy...when navys offense is built to kill time.. whenever navy plays a team they cant outscore, they run 8-9 min drives and dont give you enough drives to score....

navy beat ND few seasons ago, ND had 7 total drives for that game...if you remove the running out the half drives (5 left)....ND had basically 1 drive a quarter...which is why getting down early is the kiss of death for the triple option as their 8/9min drives actually hurts them, so they have to give up their game plan

i ont think you really understand football like that..and are just drinking the fau kool-aide
but dont let me burst your bubble

You are totally clueless. In the first game of the season, FAU is a PASSING TEAM. So, FAU of the first week is not even the same team as it is right now. They may as well be a different school.

Secondly, I am using YOUR argument to show how clueless you are, which is why I mentioned Wisconsin. You could not even understand that.

Just today, FAU scored 48 points against an opponent that had the ball for 40 minutes. Ultimately, how much time Navy has the ball is not going to matter, because FAU would score on almost every drive.

ucf scores 50 points a game, almost 5 higher than the next closest team in america..they didnt come close to 40 on navy
but you are guaranteeing me 40....

you truly have no clue about football....
if you back tracked and said i was exaggerating on the 40 but we would put up points, thats one thing, but you are doubling down with dumber arguments

again no one is denying fau has improved, im guaranteeing you didnt improve a much as you think
as a matter of fact, the fact you are "running team" guarantees that, as successful running teams are based around the talent of your oline, more importantly the talent of the dline you face ..its almost impossible to recruit the oline needed in a g5 to compete vs elite teams
sdsu is the only true running team (not triple option running) that has had any real success in the g5....and so we are clear they have beat a total of 3 p5 the last decade one of which is bad wazzu almost 8 years ago (they mostly beat up weaker mwc teams)

fau isnt racking up those kind of yards in any kind of conference that can recruit..
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(11-11-2017 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  ucf is the #1 scoring team in the nation by a wide margin and they didnt score 40 on navy... saying you score 40 on navy for certain is ridiculous and shows you know little about the triple option.

and because only fau improves as the season goes along? navy had more new players than fau

(edit: i was just about to add a link to show you that navy lost ridiculous amounts of players from last year, but noticed it states fiu and fau are top 5 in the nation in returning players...your point is bad
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-tcu-texas )

navy has 3 losses
-(top 15) 9-0 ucf
-(top 25) 8-1 memphis
(both extremely close games)

- temple- where their qb was injured and they got down early (death wish for the triple option)

i get that youve drank the kool-aide but saying youd blowout navy is absurd

and im not denying that fau has improved, but your vast "improvement" is from playing in c-usa....again when ALL your top teams look bad in ooc play but look great in conference thats all you need to know...

FAU lose 14-31 to Wisconsin, in only their second game under this coaching regime. Wisconsin that is still undefeated. Well, guess what, they allow more than that to UNT. So, does that make UNT better than Wisconsin? Think of what you are saying. Because it makes absolutely no sense.

your are bring very bad logic...first of all Wisconsin won...and unt lost. regardless of how each of team scored

and do you understand style of play????????
your really dont...
wisconsin is a power run, prostyle team, their team isnt built to score in large amouts of points..purdue kept them to 17 and Illinois kept them to 24..i guess they have great defenses too?

similar to your triple option comment... your are guaranteeing 40 point on navy...when navys offense is built to kill time.. whenever navy plays a team they cant outscore, they run 8-9 min drives and dont give you enough drives to score....

navy beat ND few seasons ago, ND had 7 total drives for that game...if you remove the running out the half drives (5 left)....ND had basically 1 drive a quarter...which is why getting down early is the kiss of death for the triple option as their 8/9min drives actually hurts them, so they have to give up their game plan

i ont think you really understand football like that..and are just drinking the fau kool-aide
but dont let me burst your bubble

You are totally clueless. In the first game of the season, FAU is a PASSING TEAM. So, FAU of the first week is not even the same team as it is right now. They may as well be a different school.

Secondly, I am using YOUR argument to show how clueless you are, which is why I mentioned Wisconsin. You could not even understand that.

Just today, FAU scored 48 points against an opponent that had the ball for 40 minutes. Ultimately, how much time Navy has the ball is not going to matter, because FAU would score on almost every drive.

ucf scores 50 points a game, almost 5 higher than the next closest team in america..they didnt come close to 40 on navy
but you are guaranteeing me 40....

you truly have no clue about football....
if you back tracked and said i was exaggerating on the 40 but we would put up points, thats one thing, but you are doubling down with dumber arguments

again no one is denying fau has improved, im guaranteeing you didnt improve a much as you think
as a matter of fact, the fact you are "running team" guarantees that, as successful running teams are based around the talent of your oline, more importantly the talent of the dline you face ..its almost impossible to recruit the oline needed in a g5 to compete vs elite teams
sdsu is the only true running team (not triple option running) that has had any real success in the g5....and so we are clear they have beat a total of 3 p5 the last decade one of which is bad wazzu almost 8 years ago (they mostly beat up weaker mwc teams)

fau isnt racking up those kind of yards in any kind of conference that can recruit..

FAU changed 100%, became a totally different team, yet, you are "guaranteeing" that FAU had not improved that much? If you dress FAU in different uniforms, you won't even believe it is the same team! We have had halves where we completed one or two passes. We are talking a running team that almost does not pass, unless the defense allows it.

That is silly. You fall into a trap of the logical fallacy where you say team A did not score 40 so team B won't. That is stupid! Air Force did, are they a better offense than UCF (according to your argument)? SMU did. Do they sport a better offense than UCF?

This argument does not work.
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And don't worry about the talent of the FAU's O-line. While they only met each other this summer, no one, not even Wisconsin, could bully them. We just weren't a good passing team and Kiffin has had to realize it the hard way.
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(11-12-2017 12:13 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Air Force Academy scored 45 on Navy.
SMU just scored 40 on Navy.

But FAU, possessing a 7th best rushing attack and 14th best scoring attack in the nation can't?

again you missed the point, if navy allows you
if navy feels they can out score you they will pick up the pace themselves...they kill clock on any good team they think they play


.....second of all..and did you actually watch those game ....both air force and smu scored those points in desperation and going for it numerous times on 4th down...air force needed a 21 point 4th quarter to get 40..and smu needed at 30 point second half to get those scores......navy has had a trend this season of getting HUGE leads and then removing the pedal and playing prevent too early ....

there hasnt been a team ALL season to score at will on navy like that.
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(11-12-2017 12:34 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  And don't worry about the talent of the FAU's O-line. While they only met each other this summer, no one, not even Wisconsin, could bully them. We just weren't a good passing team and Kiffin has had to realize it the hard way.

you scored 14 on Wisconsin..FOURTEEN!!!!!!!!...3yds a carry ..scoring 14 doesnt impress anyone ..you didnt even pass that much verus wisconsin..your inability to run on Wisconsin is what cost you that game....
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(11-12-2017 12:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 12:13 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  Air Force Academy scored 45 on Navy.
SMU just scored 40 on Navy.

But FAU, possessing a 7th best rushing attack and 14th best scoring attack in the nation can't?

again you missed the point, if navy allows you
if navy feels they can out score you they will pick up the pace themselves...they kill clock on any good team they think they play


.....second of all..and did you actually watch those game ....both air force and smu scored those points in desperation and going for it numerous times on 4th down...air force needed a 21 point 4th quarter to get 40..and smu needed at 30 point second half to get those scores......navy has had a trend this season of getting HUGE leads and then removing the pedal and playing prevent too early ....

there hasnt been a team ALL season to score at will on navy like that.

Are you even watching FAU?

Kiffin routinely goes for it on the 4th down. Today, he went for it in the first drive of the game.
Secondly, FAU scores 20 in a quarter routinely. They did today, they did in 4 games this season already.
FAU score even with back-ups in, even without a single pass attempt in a quarter.

FAU have scored today 4 times in under 3 minutes. Despite the fact that they are a running team. All you say that teams have had to do to score 40 FAU ALREADY DOES.
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(11-12-2017 12:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 12:34 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  And don't worry about the talent of the FAU's O-line. While they only met each other this summer, no one, not even Wisconsin, could bully them. We just weren't a good passing team and Kiffin has had to realize it the hard way.

you scored 14 on Wisconsin..FOURTEEN!!!!!!!!...3yds a carry ..scoring 14 doesnt impress anyone ..you didnt even pass that much verus wisconsin..your inability to run on Wisconsin is what cost you that game....

I will repeat FOR THE THIRD TIME, because you are so dense that I feel I have to. FAU was a PASS-FIRST TEAM that ran much less. Today they are an almost exclusively running team. Sometimes FAU does not have a single pass attempt in an entire quarter, such is a total paradigm change that FAU had undergone.
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We are talking a Navy-like running team. FAU is not incrementally better, like many teams get with time. FAU is a different team. There is nothing left from the team that faced Navy the first week of the season. Do you get it?
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(11-12-2017 12:48 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  We are talking a Navy-like running team. FAU is not incrementally better, like many teams get with time. FAU is a different team. There is nothing left from the team that faced Navy the first week of the season. Do you get it?

i get that you are homer and want to believe that, because it makes fau look better...

"we arent that team that was blownout horrible"

i get it

(11-12-2017 12:46 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  I will repeat FOR THE THIRD TIME, because you are so dense that I feel I have to. FAU was a PASS-FIRST TEAM that ran much less. Today they are an almost exclusively running team. Sometimes FAU does not have a single pass attempt in an entire quarter, such is a total paradigm change that FAU had undergone.

stats dont lie

wisconsin( old completely different team): fau 19 pass attempt....35 rush attempts
laa tech (hours ago): fau 17 pass attempts 33 rush attempt...
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(11-12-2017 12:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 12:48 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  We are talking a Navy-like running team. FAU is not incrementally better, like many teams get with time. FAU is a different team. There is nothing left from the team that faced Navy the first week of the season. Do you get it?

i get that you are homer and want to believe that, because it makes fau look better...

"we arent that team that was blownout horrible"

i get it

(11-12-2017 12:46 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  I will repeat FOR THE THIRD TIME, because you are so dense that I feel I have to. FAU was a PASS-FIRST TEAM that ran much less. Today they are an almost exclusively running team. Sometimes FAU does not have a single pass attempt in an entire quarter, such is a total paradigm change that FAU had undergone.

stats dont lie

wisconsin( old completely different team): fau 19 pass attempt....35 rush attempts
laa tech (hours ago): fau 17 pass attempts 33 rush attempt...

FAU was a pass first team against Wisconsin, they just couldn't pass protect. Check out FAU's stats against Navy, almost no run, almost all pass.

Against LaTech, we used a bunch of sweeps and dink and dank screens, most of the yardage came on two trick plays, a double reverse to the WR-slotted QB on the wild-Owl direct pitch (a variety of wildcat) and a modified hand back to a QB. We just don't pass anymore otherwise.

You did not see the game, I assume.

Against WKU, Singletary alone had more carries than we had pass attempts. Against Marshall, Singletary alone had more carries than we had pass attempts. Compare that to the Navy game - 33 pass attempts and 33 run attempts (the stats will say 40 carries, because in college game sacks count against the run)
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i hope fau gets a decent opponent in its bowl, because that is the only way anyone will believe fau is as good as you want to believe

your schedule rank is 102, and if you only count sos from your turn around its bottom 10 worst schedule in the nation
saying you magically improved in that stretch makes believers out of no one
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