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(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.

No. Not at all. The amount of visiting fans is sad.

I doubt our fans are traveling much either. Our fan base is apathetic but to afraid to make a change.
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Yeah yeah, the present-day AAC schools won't suddenly fill-up the Rock. We're not that dumb. Tulane, 100 miles away, has no fans. We wish for their quick death and for La Tech to move there. Uptown might yet flourish. LOL!
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(11-11-2017 08:24 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  Leave to go where? The AAC isn't a better conference. C-USA could have 11 teams with winning records by the end of the season.

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We should have left CUSA the minute the $200K tv contract was announced for the conference. We can make 5 times that playing one away game. Would have made a "statement" about our intent and made good press.

We all know the bowl placements are rigged no matter the record; learned that when we beat Houston and got snubbed for the Liberty Bowl. So bowl slots really don't matter, except for extra practice time and dwindling exposure. ESPN is dying anyway so it really won't matter in a few years. G5 will be G5.

If we don't get into at least the AAC soon to play our old peers then I almost think we should shut it down. Sorry to be pessimistic but my many years of enthusiasm (and they were fun ones) have come crashing down.
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I hate conference smack. anyone that lived through the realignment wars in this place hates conference smack. but I will say this; we don't have a lot of room to gripe these days. the competitive balance in cusa is decent.

I'll also say that the OP was probably up to no good.
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(11-11-2017 08:28 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  Well, maybe when they start beating the newbies for conference championships someone will want them but until then they will need to settle for backhanded compliments from trolls.

So...when did Tulane, ECU, UCF, S Florida, SMU, Memphis or Temple ever win sh!t (against "newbies" or "oldies") before they were invited to AAC? If you don't think a Houston, UCF or Memphis is better off in the AAC than Crap-USA, then you've been drinking more than just Kool-Aid.

Now...do I think AAC is any better than C-USA? Not really...BUT perception says it is and perception always gets ya on ESPN! 04-cheers
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I think USM would be a fine addition to the AAC, at least for Memphis fans--and probably for Houston, ECU, and Tulane as well.

USM playing in the AAC West with home games against Navy, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, and Tulane, and occasional games against Cincinnati, ECU, and UCF would be a boon for attendance and support.

Not sure why Memphis football improved so much when they joined the AAC--since all of those teams were once with Memphis in Cusa, but the perception was that the league was better than the same teams in Cusa, and Memphis stepped up and the result has been a rags to riches story at least in football. Part of that might be the TV exposure, I dunno.

Problem is the AAC isn't expanding unless someone gets poached. The commish has said if 1 leaves they would add 1, but if 2 leave they would stand pat. Obviously that's not written in stone.

Good luck to USM and here's to sharing a conference with you at some point.

edit--one problem for USM going to the AAC is keeping Temple and UConn happy. They need rivals in the northeast. And they just might prefer UMass for that reason which is a worthless sports school but it is what it is.
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(11-11-2017 11:48 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The startups hurt attendance at the older programs. No brand name = no draw. Play and beat some notable non-conference opponents please so people know who you are. USF has beaten Notre Dame. UCF has beaten Georgia. Those wins register with fans and improve your brand name.

AAC football is NOT far superior on-the-field. 85 scholarships levels the field. The G5 has very similar talent levels. There is a lot of parity. Ya'll did just notice Arkansas barely slipping by Coastal Carolina, right? We'll see during bowl season what the P6 hype is worth.

USM has 5 C-USA football championships. Those still mean something to me. Who has the most AAC football championships? I have no clue.

If the AAC expanded to 14, then yeah, we'd probably jump on that. If the Big12 finally imploded/exploded, then the landscape changes. Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and UConn own the best brand names. Lose any combination of those 4 and the desire to jump is greatly lessened, possibly extinguished. That might be a time where a mega-merger of what's left occurs.
USF has way more signature wins than that. So many in fact itd be hard to list them all.
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(11-11-2017 02:11 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Yeah yeah, the present-day AAC schools won't suddenly fill-up the Rock. We're not that dumb. Tulane, 100 miles away, has no fans. We wish for their quick death and for La Tech to move there. Uptown might yet flourish. LOL!
I would trade Tulane for Louisiana Tech in a heartbeat
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(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.
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(11-11-2017 07:54 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.

Western had at least 600 and probably closer to 700 fans on a cold snowy game played the day after thanksgiving the first game we played. Last year maybe 300 on Thanksgiving weekend..with a game everyone knew was over before kickoff.

Marshall had maybe 1200 at Western year before last with the conference championship on the line.

As for the S. Miss who asked this question...S. Miss had a 150-200 at Tech this year on warm night...about a 3 hour drive
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(11-11-2017 08:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 07:54 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.

Western had at least 600 and probably closer to 700 fans on a cold snowy game played the day after thanksgiving the first game we played. Last year maybe 300 on Thanksgiving weekend..with a game everyone knew was over before kickoff.

Marshall had maybe 1200 at Western year before last with the conference championship on the line.

As for the S. Miss who asked this question...S. Miss had a 150-200 at Tech this year on warm night...about a 3 hour drive

Can you give us a link to support your last paragraph about the S. Miss attendance this year at La Tech or is that your opinion?
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(11-11-2017 09:32 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 09:00 AM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 08:24 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  The AAC isn't a better conference.

From a football perspective, this is absolutely absurd even for the biggest CUSA fan. It’s mid-November and they have 3 ranked teams (UCF, USF & Memphis), all of which will end up with 10 win regular season records and any of would win our conference hands down. After that, then they have 3 other teams (Houston, Navy & SMU) that would likely win CUSA this season.


I disagree completely. UCF's biggest non-conference win was over a Maryland team that is going to finish 4-8. USF's biggest non-conference win was over an Illinois team that is going to finish 2-10 and UM's biggest win is over a UCLA team that could finish 4-8. It is just the way things fell this year. Our conference is top to bottom much better this year. We should take note of what the AAC is doing and schedule lower tier non-conference teams.

i dont care about the the conference realignment argument, i believe you have to make the best of your situation..

but i just want to point out how the highlighted debate would work anywhere but the c-usa forum...literally anywhere else...the reason people are mocking usf and ucf schedule is because the best teams in c-usa doesn't get respect from the national media

--navy blew out fau..the favorite to win all of c-usa (navy is likely to finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--ucf blew out fiu. the #2 favorite to win c-usa
--smu blew out unt, who will win c-usa west (smu will finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--UM's biggest win is navy or houston, not ucla
--Houston already beat 6-3 Arizona that has a Heisman candidate

"Our conference is top to bottom much better this year" ???
--the AAC's worst team, ECU, beat byu (who beat middling mwc teams)....Arguably second to worst team, tulane, has a win over a 8 win army

are you basing your argument on bowl eligibility?..parity to get more bowl teams doesnt mean better ..the pac 12 will have the most bowl teams this year, but is considered the worst p5 this year....their bowl teams doesnt mean they are better than the SEC or that they are top to bottom better

ive seem a few posts in this forum that this year the AAC isnt better, its just perceptions. but we at the aac are the delusional ones?
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(11-11-2017 08:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 09:32 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 09:00 AM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 08:24 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  The AAC isn't a better conference.

From a football perspective, this is absolutely absurd even for the biggest CUSA fan. It’s mid-November and they have 3 ranked teams (UCF, USF & Memphis), all of which will end up with 10 win regular season records and any of would win our conference hands down. After that, then they have 3 other teams (Houston, Navy & SMU) that would likely win CUSA this season.


I disagree completely. UCF's biggest non-conference win was over a Maryland team that is going to finish 4-8. USF's biggest non-conference win was over an Illinois team that is going to finish 2-10 and UM's biggest win is over a UCLA team that could finish 4-8. It is just the way things fell this year. Our conference is top to bottom much better this year. We should take note of what the AAC is doing and schedule lower tier non-conference teams.

i dont care about the the conference realignment argument, i believe you have to make the best of your situation..

but i just want to point out how the highlighted debate would work anywhere but the c-usa forum...literally anywhere else...the reason people are mocking usf and ucf schedule is because the best teams in c-usa doesn't get respect from the national media

--navy blew out fau..the favorite to win all of c-usa (navy is likely to finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--ucf blew out fiu. the #2 favorite to win c-usa
--smu blew out unt, who will win c-usa west (smu will finish 5-7th in the AAC)
--UM's biggest win is navy or houston, not ucla
--Houston already beat 6-3 Arizona that has a Heisman candidate

"Our conference is top to bottom much better this year" ???
--the AAC's worst team, ECU, beat byu (who beat middling mwc teams)....Arguably second to worst team, tulane, has a win over a 8 win army

are you basing your argument on bowl eligibility?..parity to get more bowl teams doesnt mean better ..the pac 12 will have the most bowl teams this year, but is considered the worst p5 this year....their bowl teams doesnt mean they are better than the SEC or that they are top to bottom better

ive seem a few posts in this forum that this year the AAC isnt better, its just perceptions. but we at the aac are the delusional ones?

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(11-11-2017 08:28 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 08:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 07:54 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.

Western had at least 600 and probably closer to 700 fans on a cold snowy game played the day after thanksgiving the first game we played. Last year maybe 300 on Thanksgiving weekend..with a game everyone knew was over before kickoff.

Marshall had maybe 1200 at Western year before last with the conference championship on the line.

As for the S. Miss who asked this question...S. Miss had a 150-200 at Tech this year on warm night...about a 3 hour drive

Can you give us a link to support your last paragraph about the S. Miss attendance this year at La Tech or is that your opinion?

after the western game is over i will give you a picture
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I think we need to be smarter about threads that were started just to cause trouble
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(11-11-2017 08:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I think we need to be smarter about threads that were started just to cause trouble

It was a genuine question, i think USM has a lot of unsed potential
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(11-11-2017 08:46 PM)Limebull Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 08:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I think we need to be smarter about threads that were started just to cause trouble

It was a genuine question, i think USM has a lot of unsed potential

and I think you are a sock puppet.
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(11-11-2017 02:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So we don't go to far into fantasy land of thinking of getting all of these winnable 2 million dollar pay check games or even 2 for 1 with "upper level P5" and then filling the rest of the schedule with AAC games...

those AAC schools left you in this conference for a reason


But for S.Miss and not playing those old school teams hurting attendance lets get back to the real world instead of making **** up just because it makes you feel better.

Last two years that S. Miss actually played winning football

2016 -avg attendance 28,587
2015 -avg attendance 28,334

From 2000-2012 season avg attendance 28,218

Living in fantasy land only works for idiots and they usually seek help at some point (not anyone on this board...just the way it is)

We can make up #s with the best of them. But for those of us who actually went to the games, attendance has dropped dramatically, giving is down, and apathy is at an all time high.

(11-11-2017 08:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 07:54 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.

Western had at least 600 and probably closer to 700 fans on a cold snowy game played the day after thanksgiving the first game we played. Last year maybe 300 on Thanksgiving weekend..with a game everyone knew was over before kickoff.

Marshall had maybe 1200 at Western year before last with the conference championship on the line.

As for the S. Miss who asked this question...S. Miss had a 150-200 at Tech this year on warm night...about a 3 hour drive

In one of our most apathetic years I can remember, we brought over 500 to La Tech. And as a WKU fan, attendance smack is the worst route you could take. 13k for a championship game. Pathetic.
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(11-11-2017 08:48 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 02:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So we don't go to far into fantasy land of thinking of getting all of these winnable 2 million dollar pay check games or even 2 for 1 with "upper level P5" and then filling the rest of the schedule with AAC games...

those AAC schools left you in this conference for a reason


But for S.Miss and not playing those old school teams hurting attendance lets get back to the real world instead of making **** up just because it makes you feel better.

Last two years that S. Miss actually played winning football

2016 -avg attendance 28,587
2015 -avg attendance 28,334

From 2000-2012 season avg attendance 28,218

Living in fantasy land only works for idiots and they usually seek help at some point (not anyone on this board...just the way it is)

We can make up #s with the best of them. But for those of us who actually went to the games, attendance has dropped dramatically, giving is down, and apathy is at an all time high.

(11-11-2017 08:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 07:54 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 01:53 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
no

We probably send more fans to UTEP than East division fans come here.

Western had at least 600 and probably closer to 700 fans on a cold snowy game played the day after thanksgiving the first game we played. Last year maybe 300 on Thanksgiving weekend..with a game everyone knew was over before kickoff.

Marshall had maybe 1200 at Western year before last with the conference championship on the line.

As for the S. Miss who asked this question...S. Miss had a 150-200 at Tech this year on warm night...about a 3 hour drive

In one of our most apathetic years I can remember, we brought over 500 to La Tech. And as a WKU fan, attendance smack is the worst route you could take. 13k for a championship game. Pathetic.


If you call this 500 you are blind....200 would be pushing it.
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