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RE: Will USM ever leave CUSA?
(11-11-2017 09:54 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
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(11-11-2017 08:48 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Let me speak as a USM fan instead of other programs speaking for us.


You give us a way out, an offer to the AAC or anywhere not the Sun Belt, and we’ll leave immediately. Our fans are frustrated. We don’t like CUSA and we’re sick of startups passing us by. After the last round of losses, our fan support has dropped dramatically, both butts in the seats and money being given. The moment we get out of here and show that we’re making moves to improve ourselves, a lot of that money will come back.

We would love to join the AAC. Is it some promised land? By no means, but it is a conference filled with teams we have history with that our fans recognize and enjoyed playing. If we were offered a spot, we’d take it automatically.

That issue was entirely created by Southern Miss. If upstarts are passing you by, then Southern Miss isn't doing what they need to do to improve in the current college football landscape. A change in G5 conferences won't fix that.

C-USA is a great conference for Southern Miss. And I think C-USA West is a perfect G5 division for USM. Southern Miss, like the rest of us, just needs to step up their game.


There is nothing USM can do. Our media market is what it is. It certainly doesn't matter how good your team plays on the field. Maryland and Rutgers both got Big 10 invites.

The media market is just an excuse. USM just isn't playing at the level they did back in the 1990's. If you were, things would probably different.
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(11-11-2017 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 08:24 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  Leave to go where? The AAC isn't a better conference. C-USA could have 11 teams with winning records by the end of the season.

Here is a case study. If a CUSA team runs the table, where do they play their bowl? If you have to worry about another conference having an undefeated team or even a 1-2 loss team......then you have your answer.

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(11-11-2017 08:48 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Let me speak as a USM fan instead of other programs speaking for us.


You give us a way out, an offer to the AAC or anywhere not the Sun Belt, and we’ll leave immediately. Our fans are frustrated. We don’t like CUSA and we’re sick of startups passing us by. After the last round of losses, our fan support has dropped dramatically, both butts in the seats and money being given. The moment we get out of here and show that we’re making moves to improve ourselves, a lot of that money will come back.

We would love to join the AAC. Is it some promised land? By no means, but it is a conference filled with teams we have history with that our fans recognize and enjoyed playing. If we were offered a spot, we’d take it automatically.



Marshall is in the exact same boat. I am in the minority but I would like for Marshall to go Independent and schedule as many P5 and AAC teams as possible.
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(11-11-2017 09:47 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The AAC should have invited southern miss over Tulsa....off the record. 03-shhhh

Agreed, I miss Southern Miss as they are one of ECU's oldest series in Football going back a long way. Tulsa to the MWC would have made sense. Southern Miss would have been a better geographic fit in the AAC.
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The startups hurt attendance at the older programs. No brand name = no draw. Play and beat some notable non-conference opponents please so people know who you are. USF has beaten Notre Dame. UCF has beaten Georgia. Those wins register with fans and improve your brand name.

AAC football is NOT far superior on-the-field. 85 scholarships levels the field. The G5 has very similar talent levels. There is a lot of parity. Ya'll did just notice Arkansas barely slipping by Coastal Carolina, right? We'll see during bowl season what the P6 hype is worth.

USM has 5 C-USA football championships. Those still mean something to me. Who has the most AAC football championships? I have no clue.

If the AAC expanded to 14, then yeah, we'd probably jump on that. If the Big12 finally imploded/exploded, then the landscape changes. Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and UConn own the best brand names. Lose any combination of those 4 and the desire to jump is greatly lessened, possibly extinguished. That might be a time where a mega-merger of what's left occurs.
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(11-11-2017 07:03 AM)Limebull Wrote:  All the old CUSA members left but Southern Miss stayed. And I don't think the conference really benefits them, do you guys see USM leaving anytime soon?

UAB is also an original member of CUSA.
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(11-11-2017 07:03 AM)Limebull Wrote:  All the old CUSA members left but Southern Miss stayed. And I don't think the conference really benefits them, do you guys see USM leaving anytime soon?

Its not a matter of whether or not USM will leave but just how much longer will it take. The independent route is there, if necessary, and our brand among the SEC and others will enable us to schedule the nearly $2mil away games in sufficient numbers allowing us to increase our away game income considerably thus finances should be alright. Home game revenue can be doubled by playing Southern U at home raather than La Tech, by playing Alcorn rather tjam UAB, by playing Jackson State rather than Rice, etc. More money from home games plus more from playing the biggies will enable us to "buy" some mid level teams a trip to the Rock from time to time, others like Tulane will come one and one.

A move like this will be mandatory within the next five years are you can write us off the map.
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(11-11-2017 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 07:03 AM)Limebull Wrote:  All the old CUSA members left but Southern Miss stayed. And I don't think the conference really benefits them, do you guys see USM leaving anytime soon?

Its not a matter of whether or not USM will leave but just how much longer will it take. The independent route is there, if necessary, and our brand among the SEC and others will enable us to schedule the nearly $2mil away games in sufficient numbers allowing us to increase our away game income considerably thus finances should be alright. Home game revenue can be doubled by playing Southern U at home raather than La Tech, by playing Alcorn rather tjam UAB, by playing Jackson State rather than Rice, etc. More money from home games plus more from playing the biggies will enable us to "buy" some mid level teams a trip to the Rock from time to time, others like Tulane will come one and one.

A move like this will be mandatory within the next five years are you can write us off the map.

If you go Indy I hope we do too.
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(11-11-2017 11:48 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The startups hurt attendance at the older programs. No brand name = no draw. Play and beat some notable non-conference opponents please so people know who you are. USF has beaten Notre Dame. UCF has beaten Georgia. Those wins register with fans and improve your brand name.

AAC football is NOT far superior on-the-field. 85 scholarships levels the field. The G5 has very similar talent levels. There is a lot of parity. Ya'll did just notice Arkansas barely slipping by Coastal Carolina, right? We'll see during bowl season what the P6 hype is worth.

USM has 5 C-USA football championships. Those still mean something to me. Who has the most AAC football championships? I have no clue.

If the AAC expanded to 14, then yeah, we'd probably jump on that. If the Big12 finally imploded/exploded, then the landscape changes. Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and UConn own the best brand names. Lose any combination of those 4 and the desire to jump is greatly lessened, possibly extinguished. That might be a time where a mega-merger of what's left occurs.


While that might be true lets look at it more closely ...Because I hate it when actual events don't match what we think our minds remember

S. Miss average home attendance through 2000-2012

28,218

S. Miss average home attendance through 2013-2016

25,727


Considering S. Miss was 1-11, 3-9, 9-5 & 7-6 in the years 2013-2016 how much did that play a role in 2,491 difference in attendance? Lets just take a look at what the avg is for a winning S. Miss team...2015 9-5 average attendance was 28,334. By my count that is 116 more than S. Miss averaged before those "start ups" were added


Since 2000 this is S. Miss's 30 lowest attended home games....I believe 18 were before the new additions to this conference

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(11-11-2017 08:48 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  Let me speak as a USM fan instead of other programs speaking for us.


You give us a way out, an offer to the AAC or anywhere not the Sun Belt, and we’ll leave immediately. Our fans are frustrated. We don’t like CUSA and we’re sick of startups passing us by. After the last round of losses, our fan support has dropped dramatically, both butts in the seats and money being given. The moment we get out of here and show that we’re making moves to improve ourselves, a lot of that money will come back.

We would love to join the AAC. Is it some promised land? By no means, but it is a conference filled with teams we have history with that our fans recognize and enjoyed playing. If we were offered a spot, we’d take it automatically.

My first thought on reading the thread title was "Sure they would, if they got a better offer. Who wouldn't?". I know that's true for UAB. Southern Miss and UAB both got left behind in the migration to the AAC and have a lot of old rivals there. In UAB's case, it was because of the lack of support by the UA System for football and hideously bad facilities. In Southern Miss', it was because conference realignment is largely about the television market, the number of eyeballs that a school can deliver to advertisers.

For us, a spin off of the football shutdown has been a huge wave of people who took the program for granted putting their money where their mouth is and their asses in seats. If Birmingham builds a new municipal stadium to replace Lesion Field, UAB will be well positioned come the next realignment.

USM is a proud and well respected program. I hope that they are able to find a way to move up with us, come the day.
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So Miss, Marshall, UAB, and Rice should all go Independent and then work with each other to help with scheduling early on.

I would love to be Independent with a home-home every year with So Miss and UAB.

I didn't even think about all the money games a team could play. 3 buy games bringing in around $5 million/year would be pretty significant. More flexible dates could also open up opportunities to get more 1-1s with P5s or even 2-1s with some of the upper level P5s.
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Yep, if we can't get TV money, we have to get butts in the seat. Politicking for fewer conference games to lessen travel costs is an option. Keep it to the division. 6 games instead of 8.
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The problem with that is that those $5m buy games are usually body bag games. You trade a loss to Ohio State for money. You'll also find it difficult to get home and homes with decent teams. I am incredibly happy that UAB has changed from two buy games a season to one. It is hard to have a good season when you start by deliberately scheduling probable losses by choice.
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Marshall fans, sorry for my ignorance, but are WKU, MTU, Charlotte, or ODU fans traveling to Huntington? Vice-versa? I had always assumed they would.
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(11-11-2017 09:44 AM)Limebull Wrote:  Me thinks CUSA and the Sunbelt should both disband and a new conference of the best markets and best teams of both conferences should form

You were on to something until you mentioned markets. Between both conferences, your not going to find very many of the best teams that are also in large markets. Most of the perennial programs are in smaller markets.
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So we don't go to far into fantasy land of thinking of getting all of these winnable 2 million dollar pay check games or even 2 for 1 with "upper level P5" and then filling the rest of the schedule with AAC games...

those AAC schools left you in this conference for a reason


But for S.Miss and not playing those old school teams hurting attendance lets get back to the real world instead of making **** up just because it makes you feel better.

Last two years that S. Miss actually played winning football

2016 -avg attendance 28,587
2015 -avg attendance 28,334

From 2000-2012 season avg attendance 28,218

Living in fantasy land only works for idiots and they usually seek help at some point (not anyone on this board...just the way it is)
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(11-11-2017 01:57 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 09:44 AM)Limebull Wrote:  Me thinks CUSA and the Sunbelt should both disband and a new conference of the best markets and best teams of both conferences should form

You were on to something until you mentioned markets. Between both conferences, your not going to find very many of the best teams that are also in large markets. Most of the perennial programs are in smaller markets.

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Tennessee was supposed to be a "body-bag" game. Maybe it still was, but on the field, they were equally awful. Timing is everything. Most of the SEC teams can pay >$1.2 million for one-offs. They have the $ to do it. Ideal time to play them considering their mediocre overall play as of late (excluding Bama of course).
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