(11-10-2017 07:50 AM)7 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 07:49 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 12:04 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:09 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:34 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Will he now extend Rod? that is the question!

That's neither necessary nor financially smart at this time.

If there is no raise involved, then yes, absolutely. And if there is a minimal raise, then yes, absolutely.

Let Carey win some meaningful games before he gets a raise. I wouldn't be surprised if Carey's record against winning teams was below 30%. He still needs to show he can beat GOOD teams. His overall record is padded with wins over bad teams.

Hahahahahahahahaha

What good teams has he beaten?

Exactly...

Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 1-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 9-19 (32%)

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

wow... i mean i know that 75% of MAC teams are generally pretty bad every year so he has a ton of "gimmie" wins but seeing that written out is depressing

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

So let’s see here...we have a loss to Florida State, a loss to Ohio State, 2 losses with Tommy Fiedler at QB, a loss to Boise with a banged up QB. How many games played with a backup and third string QB?

Also, I can also tell you your stats are incorrect considering they beat EMU last year who finished with a winning record and had a winning record when NIU beat them.

Breaking it down by “winning records” is stupid. What’s his record against conference teams/mid majors with winning records?

(11-10-2017 08:29 AM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

wow... i mean i know that 75% of MAC teams are generally pretty bad every year so he has a ton of "gimmie" wins but seeing that written out is depressing

I mean I thought this is common knowledge....playing in the MAC this is going to be the case as more than half of the schools we play in our conf. are sub .500. Thus why the AAC and MW typically get much more "love" from voters and such. The MAC as a whole is garbage.

(11-10-2017 08:39 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:29 AM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

wow... i mean i know that 75% of MAC teams are generally pretty bad every year so he has a ton of "gimmie" wins but seeing that written out is depressing

I mean I thought this is common knowledge....playing in the MAC this is going to be the case as more than half of the schools we play in our conf. are sub .500. Thus why the AAC and MW typically get much more "love" from voters and such. The MAC as a whole is garbage.

Nah man Kill was racking up wins against great teams week in and week out

(11-10-2017 08:41 AM)7 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:39 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:29 AM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

wow... i mean i know that 75% of MAC teams are generally pretty bad every year so he has a ton of "gimmie" wins but seeing that written out is depressing

I mean I thought this is common knowledge....playing in the MAC this is going to be the case as more than half of the schools we play in our conf. are sub .500. Thus why the AAC and MW typically get much more "love" from voters and such. The MAC as a whole is garbage.

Nah man Kill was racking up wins against great teams week in and week out

I'm talking about going back years. Not just Carey. Yesterday was the first time in a while I feel like NIU took care of business all 4 quarters against a bad team.

(11-10-2017 08:39 AM)7 Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 0-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 8-19 (29.6%)

So let’s see here...we have a loss to Florida State, a loss to Ohio State, 2 losses with Tommy Fiedler at QB, a loss to Boise with a banged up QB. How many games played with a backup and third string QB?

Also, I can also tell you your stats are incorrect considering they beat EMU last year who finished with a winning record and had a winning record when NIU beat them.

Breaking it down by “winning records” is stupid. What’s his record against conference teams/mid majors with winning records?

There, I updated it to include the great OT win against 7-6 Eastern Michigan. So he has a 32% winning percentage.

Make all the excuses you want but he does not deserve a raise or an extension at this point.

As I have said before, 2 summers ago on the Summer Circuit, STF brought up that he and Carey were working on an extension. Nothing was ever announced so I didn't think it happened. However, now that I got word that STF's contract was extended but not announced I now wonder if maybe that extension for Carey was finalized and signed 2 years ago.

(11-10-2017 08:07 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Carey vs. Winning Teams:

2017 season: 0-3

2016 season: 1-5, plus loss against 1-AA

2015 season: 2-5, two postseason blowouts

2014 season: 3-3, postseason blowout

2013 season: 3-2, postseason blowout

2012 season: 0-1

Overall record vs. Winning teams: 9-19 (32%)

What an unrealistic and irrelevant measuring stick you choose Epasnoopy.

Your subjective definition of good teams is somewhat inflated.
You have a very negative Lense when it involvest Rod Carey which is laughable.

Your subjective post season Bowl wins measure, seems laughable when many coaches and fans just want to get a Bowl invite. There is no incentive to win for a team or coach interms of bowl payout. Yet in your mind that is the second most relevant measuring stick of NIU FB.

Please allow me to remind you of the obvious:

Relevant NIU FOOTBALL COACH measuring benchmarks do include:

1) past Succesful NIU FB coaches.

Bill Mallory(80-83) 25-19 conference 19-15 then spent 13 years at B1G Indiana .
Jerry Pettibone (85-90) 33-32-1 Conf. 4-4 Then went to Oregon State for 6 years.
Joe Novak (96-2007) 63-76 Conf. 47-38 retired as legend.
Jerry Kill ( 08-10) 23-16 Conf. 18-6 went to Minnesota (2011-2015)
Distant history:
Howard Fletcher(56-68) 74-48-1 hall of fame inductee.
Chick Evans(29-54) 132-70-20 hall of fame inductee.

Rod Carey has a better winning percentage than all of the above.
43-22, Conference 31-7

Only Dave Doeren has a better win percentage after two years.
Comparing anyone to Dave Doeren may be unrealistic.

2) Conference record: Rod Carey is incredible.

3) B1G record. The best ever NIU coach and unlikely to be surpassed.

4) MAC titles: 1
5) MACC games 3 - NIU record.
6) MAC west titles 3.
7) Record against Toledo 3-2 Most wins.

8) Post season appearances will be 4/5 last year NIU was the next in line to receive a post season Bowl despite going 5-7.

How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more who earn under $1million/year have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?

How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?

Finally it is customary in Div1a football to reward a coach who has a winning total percentage, winning conference record with a raise.

The only fair measure for record vs winning teams would be vs other MAC teams. Most OOC games vs good teams will be on the road. The road winning % in the NCAA is around 40%. So right there there's a huge stat bias. You'd throw out the 2012 game. He didn't gamemplan or have any say in that game. I'd also toss out games when your down to your third string QB.

Not sure what the point is. Carey's record is really good. Would you prefer his losses be against sub .500 teams???? You can't expect a .750 win percentage where you win every game vs sub .500 teams and split with above .500.

Just about every MAC program (Ohio & Toledo) would give their left nut to be NIU the last decade and a half. Unfortunately, our fan base can't get out and support these kids. This team deserves a packed stadium every time they play.

(11-09-2017 02:51 PM)7 Wrote:  He agreed to a 3 year extension through 2021.

H/t to HuskieJohn for the help on this one

All---help me----I can't find a press release or story. I was under the impression he was already signed through 2021 (maybe 2020). I feel like I'm in a time warp or major deja vu. If someone knows when he signed this, I would appreciate the source.

Maybe the other teams coaches should be fired so they have a winning record.

'sterling1man Wrote:What an unrealistic and irrelevant measuring stick you choose Epasnoopy.

Your subjective definition of good teams is somewhat inflated.
You have a very negative Lense when it involvest Rod Carey which is laughable.

Your subjective post season Bowl wins measure, seems laughable when many coaches and fans just want to get a Bowl invite. There is no incentive to win for a team or coach interms of bowl payout. Yet in your mind that is the second most relevant measuring stick of NIU FB.

Please allow me to remind you of the obvious:

Relevant NIU FOOTBALL COACH measuring benchmarks do include:

1) past Succesful NIU FB coaches.

Bill Mallory(80-83) 25-19 conference 19-15 then spent 13 years at B1G Indiana .
Jerry Pettibone (85-90) 33-32-1 Conf. 4-4 Then went to Oregon State for 6 years.
Joe Novak (96-2007) 63-76 Conf. 47-38 retired as legend.
Jerry Kill ( 08-10) 23-16 Conf. 18-6 went to Minnesota (2011-2015)
Distant history:
Howard Fletcher(56-68) 74-48-1 hall of fame inductee.
Chick Evans(29-54) 132-70-20 hall of fame inductee.

Rod Carey has a better winning percentage than all of the above.
43-22, Conference 31-7

Only Dave Doeren has a better win percentage after two years.
Comparing anyone to Dave Doeren may be unrealistic.

2) Conference record: Rod Carey is incredible.

3) B1G record. The best ever NIU coach and unlikely to be surpassed.

4) MAC titles: 1
5) MACC games 3 - NIU record.
6) MAC west titles 3.
7) Record against Toledo 3-2 Most wins.

8) Post season appearances will be 4/5 last year NIU was the next in line to receive a post season Bowl despite going 5-7.

How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more who earn under $1million/year have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?

How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?

Finally it is customary in Div1a football to reward a coach who has a winning total percentage, winning conference record with a raise.

It's unrealistic to expect to win more than 32% of our games against winning teams? It's unrealistic to not get absolutely dominated in bowl games?

A coach with an inflated overall record due to a large majority of wins over bad teams does not deserve an extension or a raise. There's a reason no other school has hired away Carey yet.

I think snoopy may be worse than maddawgz is.

(11-10-2017 10:59 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The only fair measure for record vs winning teams would be vs other MAC teams. Most OOC games vs good teams will be on the road. The road winning % in the NCAA is around 40%. So right there there's a huge stat bias. You'd throw out the 2012 game. He didn't gamemplan or have any say in that game. I'd also toss out games when your down to your third string QB.

Not sure what the point is. Carey's record is really good. Would you prefer his losses be against sub .500 teams???? You can't expect a .750 win percentage where you win every game vs sub .500 teams and split with above .500.

Yep

The last announcement of contract extension for Carey in 2014 kept him until June 30th 2019
...so the 2018 football season...aka next year.

To me there is little no doubt that STF already extended Carey for 2 years and it just was not announced. I wouldn't be surprised if it was done in 2016 after STF made a comment that they were close on an agreement.

Both of these (STF and Carey) NON announcements might just be due to the "optics" of announcing $280K+ salary of state employees during a budget crunch.

STF told me before the 2016 season that the "optics" of things are extremely touchy because of the States Budget issues and he has to be careful with what is announced...at the time I though he was only speaking about the Master Plan but maybe more than that.

(11-10-2017 12:47 PM)7 Wrote:  I think snoopy may be worse than maddawgz is.

Sorry you dont like facts.

(11-10-2017 12:56 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 12:47 PM)7 Wrote:  I think snoopy may be worse than maddawgz is.

Sorry you dont like facts.

I'll listen when you provide the W/L records against winning teams for similar G5 coaches