Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

I'm currently looking up to see if there is a recall procedure for the elmer fudd dipshit senator from Tennessee.

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

oh, and, of course, I have no idea where the american electorate is going to ship-saw in the next presidential election. a write in candidacy for Vladimir Putin isn't totally out of the question.

(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)EagleX Wrote:  oh, and, of course, I have no idea where the american electorate is going to ship-saw in the next presidential election. a write in candidacy for Vladimir Putin isn't totally out of the question.

Is no different than voting (I)

One of these days, folks are going to realize why djt ran ®

Sorry X, but we both know it really doesn't matter in schema....only in front of ze camera...

What problems do you think shorter term limits would solve?

(11-09-2017 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm currently looking up to see if there is a recall procedure for the elmer fudd dipshit senator from Tennessee.

You want to admit that you effed up twice with your vote?

(11-10-2017 02:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

(11-10-2017 11:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 02:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

kinda like the electoral college? No way?

(11-10-2017 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 02:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

Abolish the state.

(11-11-2017 01:51 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 02:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

Abolish the state.

State as in all fifty or the federal?

(11-11-2017 01:58 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:51 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 02:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  why? we're obviously not smart enough to elect our own leaders*. electing them more frequently certainly isn't going to fix anything.


*totally not a swipe at trump. allow me to explain. in the past few election cycles, the american electorate made the following decisions;

1) we love GWB. we reelected him.

[2 years pass]

2) we hate GWB, so were going to take congress away from his party.

[2 years pass]

3) we hate GWB so much, we are going to elect the anti-GWB, BHO, president (despite an abject lack of qualifications)

[2 years pass]

4) we hate the guy we just elected, so we're going to take congress away from his party (sound familiar?)

[2 years pass]

5) we reelected the guy we hated, but saddled him a congress that opposed everything he ever did or thought

[2 years pass]

6) we hate the guy we just releected so much we're going to elect the anti-BHO, despite an abject lack of qualifications)

Anyone want to make a bet on what happens in the next midterms?


either we have a national stroke every 18 months and forget whatever we were thinking last time, or we're just not qualified to elect our own leaders any more. thus, the question becomes, if we're already ****** up electing our national leaders, what the hell makes you think that electing them more often is going to fix anything?

Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

Abolish the state.

State as in all fifty or the federal?

Federal is probably more practical. Not much more than consistent idiocy in DC, presidency has become a parody over the past 20 something years. Clinton and his rape/sex scandals, the second lesser Bush and the whole Iraq deal, a new type of democrat in Obama who is more progressive and less neoliberal in both a social and fiscal sense trying to place his laws in a country of 300 million+ where it really should have been up to individual states, and now Trump, the best we could do was Trump? The best either side could do was Clinton the victim shamer or the USFL’s very own Trump? Politics at the DC level is all sideshow and TMZ level debating.

(11-11-2017 02:10 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:58 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:51 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:05 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Valid point. How about every National position elected at the same time and every term is 4 years with a limit of 12 yrs served including the President? Each State can choose what they want to do regarding State and local Govt positions.

no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

Abolish the state.

State as in all fifty or the federal?

Federal is probably more practical.

Fascinating concept. I had that thought back when the Soviet Union dissolved. They became separate states. What if we dissolved into 50 separate states?

(11-11-2017 02:15 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:10 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:58 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:51 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  no, you are missing my point, towit; american democracy is irredeemably broken.

the question is what we do about it.

Abolish the state.

State as in all fifty or the federal?

Federal is probably more practical.

Fascinating concept. I had that thought back when the Soviet Union dissolved. They became separate states. What if we dissolved into 50 separate states?

Like separate countries within a trade union, social issues are kept state or maybe even local (cities)?

(11-11-2017 02:35 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:15 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:10 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:58 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 01:51 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Abolish the state.

State as in all fifty or the federal?

Federal is probably more practical.

Fascinating concept. I had that thought back when the Soviet Union dissolved. They became separate states. What if we dissolved into 50 separate states?

Like separate countries within a trade union, social issues are kept state or maybe even local (cities)?

you are singing my song.

(11-09-2017 12:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Every elected office should be up for election every 4 years max (I like 2) with a limit of 12 years served. Just far to easy to get away with doing nothing. Deflection of accountability.

When the term of 6 years was set for a senator they were not directly elected by the people but appointed to represent their state by the legislature. No pandering to the masses necessary. Led to a more functional body as well.

The senator is supposed to be the federal representative for his state. It made perfect sense in the past for the state governments to appoint them.

You can thank that populist wave post-Teddy Roosevelt for a lot of odd mutations of our government.

(11-09-2017 01:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm currently looking up to see if there is a recall procedure for the elmer fudd dipshit senator from Tennessee.

Which one? You described both. I'm old enough to remember when one of them almost became the presidential nominee too.

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