(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
You've seen transcripts of people Trump told to pound sand. Obama didnt know how to do anything beyond apolgizing and giving away the store---both to the ultimate detriment of the American people.
Entirely wrong. They were leaked on our end, and the conversations showed Trump begging the President of Mexico to stop saying Mexico won'tpay for the wall, and the PM of Australia trying to diplomatically explain basic international information to someone who clearly doesn't grasp it. I was embarrassed reading it, and if you had read it, you would be too.
As for Obama, I understand you think that he did all of that, but can you point to a single specific thing that he did which supports your assertion?
(11-09-2017 11:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote: In case you haven't noticed, the French haven't been relevant in about 80 years.
Is that all? It seems like an eternity.
They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
(11-09-2017 11:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote: In case you haven't noticed, the French haven't been relevant in about 80 years.
Is that all? It seems like an eternity.
They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
And let us use those cool Renault tanks that Patton used to win the First World War.
They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
(11-09-2017 11:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote: In case you haven't noticed, the French haven't been relevant in about 80 years.
Is that all? It seems like an eternity.
They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
And let us use those cool Renault tanks that Patton used to win the First World War.
They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
I heard they had 5 gears... 1 in forward and 4 in reverse.
(11-09-2017 11:30 AM)umbluegray Wrote: Is that all? It seems like an eternity.
They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
And let us use those cool Renault tanks that Patton used to win the First World War.
They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
I heard they had 5 gears... 1 in forward and 4 in reverse.
Billotte and his B1 Bis managed to break through the German defences and to destroy two German PzKpfw IV tanks, eleven PzKpfw III tanks and two enemy guns. Billotte's Char B1-Bis tank received 140 hits from enemy tanks and guns, but none were able to penetrate the tank's heavy armour.
(11-09-2017 11:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote: In case you haven't noticed, the French haven't been relevant in about 80 years.
Is that all? It seems like an eternity.
They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
I know. It's all in fun. Kinda like you guys like to tease us about only winning one game in the series.
(11-09-2017 07:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: They DID supply us with the guns needed to defeat the British.
They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
And let us use those cool Renault tanks that Patton used to win the First World War.
They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
I heard they had 5 gears... 1 in forward and 4 in reverse.
Billotte and his B1 Bis managed to break through the German defences and to destroy two German PzKpfw IV tanks, eleven PzKpfw III tanks and two enemy guns. Billotte's Char B1-Bis tank received 140 hits from enemy tanks and guns, but none were able to penetrate the tank's heavy armour.
Remember all the great French fighter planes from WWII.
Here is a complete list:
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
You've seen transcripts of people Trump told to pound sand. Obama didnt know how to do anything beyond apolgizing and giving away the store---both to the ultimate detriment of the American people.
Entirely wrong. They were leaked on our end, and the conversations showed Trump begging the President of Mexico to stop saying Mexico won'tpay for the wall, and the PM of Australia trying to diplomatically explain basic international information to someone who clearly doesn't grasp it. I was embarrassed reading it, and if you had read it, you would be too.
As for Obama, I understand you think that he did all of that, but can you point to a single specific thing that he did which supports your assertion?
The Iranian nuclear deal? Or perhaps the phone call to the Australian president you referenced above where we agreed to take people the Australian president would be tarred and feathered for keeping. Apologizing to Japan....again (its already been done).
As for Trump--the contents of both leaked calls were Trump telling a foriegn leader "no" we wont be taken advantage of anymore. He understood just fine. Mexico says they wont pay. Since when does Mexico write our tariff laws? Frankly, I dont care if they never pay. Never thoguht they would in a classical sense. Building the wall means we import less poverty--which means we dont pay the social safety net costs associated with that poverty--instead Mexico will have to deal with the costs on their side of the border (which is essentially Mexico paying for the wall by not being able to export those liabilities to our country).
Frankly, if you voted for Trump because you thought Trump was going to make Mexico write the US a check for the wall then you were stupid. Anyone with any sense knew it was going to be something like a tariff, tax, border fee, or an additional tax on green card workers in the US. Like I said, I think we win financially even if we straight up pay for every cent of the wall's construction.
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(11-09-2017 09:22 PM)UCF08 Wrote: They also lost more men in WWI than the US has in every single war we've fought combined, and still didn't surrender. The whole "French are pansies" trope is pretty much a post WWII phenomenon.
And let us use those cool Renault tanks that Patton used to win the First World War.
They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
I heard they had 5 gears... 1 in forward and 4 in reverse.
Billotte and his B1 Bis managed to break through the German defences and to destroy two German PzKpfw IV tanks, eleven PzKpfw III tanks and two enemy guns. Billotte's Char B1-Bis tank received 140 hits from enemy tanks and guns, but none were able to penetrate the tank's heavy armour.
Remember all the great French fighter planes from WWII.
Here is a complete list:
Billotte and his B1 Bis managed to break through the German defences and to destroy two German PzKpfw IV tanks, eleven PzKpfw III tanks and two enemy guns. Billotte's Char B1-Bis tank received 140 hits from enemy tanks and guns, but none were able to penetrate the tank's heavy armour.
Remember all the great French fighter planes from WWII.
Here is a complete list:
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
Show us the transcripts of Obama's diplomatic conversations.
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
Show us the transcripts of Obama's diplomatic conversations.
Haha. Yup!
Haha there are untold members of our government so concerned over the incompetent and flippantly amateurish behavior of Trump that theyre willing to risk their careers to leak this damning information. Woo-boy, what a knee slapper!
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
Show us the transcripts of Obama's diplomatic conversations.
Haha. Yup!
Haha there are untold members of our government so concerned over the incompetent and flippantly amateurish behavior of Trump that theyre willing to risk their careers to leak this damning information. Woo-boy, what a knee slapper!
lol...so document leaking law breaking Obama appointees are now paragons of virtue? Cool world you live in. Is the Las Vegas shooter a hero there too?
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(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
You've seen transcripts of people Trump told to pound sand. Obama didnt know how to do anything beyond apolgizing and giving away the store---both to the ultimate detriment of the American people.
Entirely wrong. They were leaked on our end, and the conversations showed Trump begging the President of Mexico to stop saying Mexico won'tpay for the wall, and the PM of Australia trying to diplomatically explain basic international information to someone who clearly doesn't grasp it. I was embarrassed reading it, and if you had read it, you would be too.
As for Obama, I understand you think that he did all of that, but can you point to a single specific thing that he did which supports your assertion?
Well one quickie that pops to mind, maybe two.
How about the Chinese just unilaterally deciding on their own to build Islands in the middle of the ocean to establish forward military bases and as usual the behinder in chief did what? Grabbed the ankles and smiled that toofy smile.
His reset buddy saw this and figured WTH? Crimea lis pretty this time of year, what’s this clown gonna do? Object “strenuously”?!? Lulz, nyet!
Feckless, failed leadership and. Presidency. And these are two of the more harmless examples.
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(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
Show us the transcripts of Obama's diplomatic conversations.
Haha. Yup!
Haha there are untold members of our government so concerned over the incompetent and flippantly amateurish behavior of Trump that theyre willing to risk their careers to leak this damning information. Woo-boy, what a knee slapper!
lol...so document leaking law breaking Obama appointees are now paragons of virtue? Cool world you live in. Is the Las Vegas shooter a hero there too?
Well I'm glad that your response was reasoned, rational, and hyperbole free. Yes, me postulating that the motives of the unprecedented amount of government leakers could be altruistic means that I 100% think the Las Vegas shooter is a hero.
The Trump administration has had more leaks than any administration in modern history, at some point you have to wonder why that is. Unless you're dumb enough to actually believe in the Soros/Clinton/Space lizard conspiracy blaming everyone but the habitually lying buffoon stumbling his way from one lowering of the bar to the next, it's clear where the blame ultimately lies.
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
Show us the transcripts of Obama's diplomatic conversations.
Haha. Yup!
Haha there are untold members of our government so concerned over the incompetent and flippantly amateurish behavior of Trump that theyre willing to risk their careers to leak this damning information. Woo-boy, what a knee slapper!
Like Susan rice, I presume?
Wait, so now you like leakers? You on the Manning/Assange train now?
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
You've seen transcripts of people Trump told to pound sand. Obama didnt know how to do anything beyond apolgizing and giving away the store---both to the ultimate detriment of the American people.
Entirely wrong. They were leaked on our end, and the conversations showed Trump begging the President of Mexico to stop saying Mexico won'tpay for the wall, and the PM of Australia trying to diplomatically explain basic international information to someone who clearly doesn't grasp it. I was embarrassed reading it, and if you had read it, you would be too.
As for Obama, I understand you think that he did all of that, but can you point to a single specific thing that he did which supports your assertion?
Well one quickie that pops to mind, maybe two.
How about the Chinese just unilaterally deciding on their own to build Islands in the middle of the ocean to establish forward military bases and as usual the behinder in chief did what? Grabbed the ankles and smiled that toofy smile.
Hie reset buddy saw this and figured WTH? Crimea lis pretty this time of year, what’s this clown gonna do? Object “strenuously”?!? Lulz, nyet!
Feckless, failed leadership and. Presidency. And these are two of the more harmless examples.
1. What has Trump done about those islands since becoming President? Oh, he had a "frank" discussion? Well would you look at that?
Fact is, sanctions and condemnation is all you're going to find over issues like Crimea and the South Sea islands because two nuclear powers aren't going to start a shooting war over that. So, you know, maybe try to figure out exactly why you have such strong negative emotions about Obamas foreign policy. If you can't, maybe re-evaluate your stance?
(11-09-2017 09:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: You have to be huffing glue if you think anyone is buying this "we are more respected with Trump" nonsense. We've seen the transcripts of enough diplomatic conversations to know that's clearly not the case.
You've seen transcripts of people Trump told to pound sand. Obama didnt know how to do anything beyond apolgizing and giving away the store---both to the ultimate detriment of the American people.
Entirely wrong. They were leaked on our end, and the conversations showed Trump begging the President of Mexico to stop saying Mexico won'tpay for the wall, and the PM of Australia trying to diplomatically explain basic international information to someone who clearly doesn't grasp it. I was embarrassed reading it, and if you had read it, you would be too.
As for Obama, I understand you think that he did all of that, but can you point to a single specific thing that he did which supports your assertion?
Well one quickie that pops to mind, maybe two.
How about the Chinese just unilaterally deciding on their own to build Islands in the middle of the ocean to establish forward military bases and as usual the behinder in chief did what? Grabbed the ankles and smiled that toofy smile.
Hie reset buddy saw this and figured WTH? Crimea lis pretty this time of year, what’s this clown gonna do? Object “strenuously”?!? Lulz, nyet!
Feckless, failed leadership and. Presidency. And these are two of the more harmless examples.
1. What has Trump done about those islands since becoming President? Oh, he had a "frank" discussion? Well would you look at that?
Fact is, sanctions and condemnation is all you're going to find over issues like Crimea and the South Sea islands because two nuclear powers aren't going to start a shooting war over that. So, you know, maybe try to figure out exactly why you have such strong negative emotions about Obamas foreign policy. If you can't, maybe re-evaluate your stance?
Uhhhh, it’s a lot easier to not bake a cake than to unbake a cake.
What would you have him do in the first months of his 8 years? Start a war with China AND Russia over yet another colossal failure of the amateurs in the prior admin?
Reevaluate my stance as to my negative opinions ( I’ll leave the emotions to you guys) on zerOs obvious lack of any coherent foreign policy?
Uhhh, no. It was apparent, front and center in real time as we watched he, his brain Jarrett, reset H> and James Taylor bumble and bungle their way from creating one mess after another. No need to re-evaluate anything just cause it’s now more fully played out.
So, the best you can point to is yet ANOTHER total mess left by the kick the can down the roader in chief, and ask what has Trump done to fix it.
Great. Just great.
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