All starts this Friday, hard to believe. Do the St Francis-IL and Rockford games count on the record or exhibition?

Only D1 games count on the record. Non-D1’s don’t exist to the committee.

Non D1 games do count on record. The committee rarely deals with decisions involving the MAC as it is usually a one bid league

On the St. Francis website, the game is classified as an exhibition on both their schedule and in their preview article. We are one of four DI exhibitions that they are playing, which includes their "Hurricane Relief" exhibition with UIC that has already been played. Not sure why nothing on our site classifies it as an exhibition.

(11-09-2017 08:00 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  On the St. Francis website, the game is classified as an exhibition on both their schedule and in their preview article. We are one of four DI exhibitions that they are playing, which includes their "Hurricane Relief" exhibition with UIC that has already been played. Not sure why nothing on our site classifies it as an exhibition.

Interesting. I think this has happened before where it counts on NIUs record even though it's treated as exhibition for the opponent.

(11-09-2017 08:39 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:00 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  On the St. Francis website, the game is classified as an exhibition on both their schedule and in their preview article. We are one of four DI exhibitions that they are playing, which includes their "Hurricane Relief" exhibition with UIC that has already been played. Not sure why nothing on our site classifies it as an exhibition.

Interesting. I think this has happened before where it counts on NIUs record even though it's treated as exhibition for the opponent.

This is exactly what it is. The men haven't played an exhibition game for a few years.

(11-09-2017 07:41 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Non D1 games do count on record. The committee rarely deals with decisions involving the MAC as it is usually a one bid league

If non-d1 games didn't count, we'd have to take away half of Monty's wins!

I'm looking forward to seeing a future game against Kishwaukee College for local bragging rights . If we win, that could propel NIU to win the MAC and get to the Big Dance!


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The st Francis game is actually part of the Florida tournament. Teams were allowed to play a non D1 team as a leg of the tournament. Those typically count for us but the lesser school's record isn't affected.

those whining about the schedule need to check out other teams' schedules. All D1 teams play non-D1. The big boys play a number of cupcake games every year--for example Michigan State plays ferris state, hinsdale and houston baptist and then adds in Southern Utah, Savannah State and Northern Florida. Power five teams load up on such low level opponents regularly and get to do it at HOME.

(11-09-2017 04:19 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  those whining about the schedule need to check out other teams' schedules. All D1 teams play non-D1. The big boys play a number of cupcake games every year--for example Michigan State plays ferris state, hinsdale and houston baptist and then adds in Southern Utah, Savannah State and Northern Florida. Power five teams load up on such low level opponents regularly and get to do it at HOME.

And those wanting to defend Monty's scheduling need to get their facts straight.
Yes, Power Fives play the bulk (if not all non-conference games) at home, and every G5 has nearby colleges as a home foe, there's a difference between "low level" and cupcakes.
For the record, Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida -- are all Division I in men's basketball. Ferris State and Hinsdale are NCAA Division II programs.
Rockford is NCAA Division III and St. Francis is an NAIA program.
Monty has included these wins in his and the team's record regardless of whether the opponent considered it an exhibition. While the basketball committee doesn't officially give consideration to non-Division I opponents, don't believe it doesn't carry a negative connotation.

(11-09-2017 06:40 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 04:19 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  those whining about the schedule need to check out other teams' schedules. All D1 teams play non-D1. The big boys play a number of cupcake games every year--for example Michigan State plays ferris state, hinsdale and houston baptist and then adds in Southern Utah, Savannah State and Northern Florida. Power five teams load up on such low level opponents regularly and get to do it at HOME.

And those wanting to defend Monty's scheduling need to get their facts straight.
Yes, Power Fives play the bulk (if not all non-conference games) at home, and every G5 has nearby colleges as a home foe, there's a difference between "low level" and cupcakes.
For the record, Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida -- are all Division I in men's basketball. Ferris State and Hinsdale are NCAA Division II programs.
Rockford is NCAA Division III and St. Francis is an NAIA program.
Monty has included these wins in his and the team's record regardless of whether the opponent considered it an exhibition. While the basketball committee doesn't officially give consideration to non-Division I opponents, don't believe it doesn't carry a negative connotation.

It does not really matter, who cares if they are included in the record or not. This year, 2 non-div 1 are totally welcome given the murderous non-conf schedule

(11-09-2017 06:40 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 04:19 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  those whining about the schedule need to check out other teams' schedules. All D1 teams play non-D1. The big boys play a number of cupcake games every year--for example Michigan State plays ferris state, hinsdale and houston baptist and then adds in Southern Utah, Savannah State and Northern Florida. Power five teams load up on such low level opponents regularly and get to do it at HOME.

And those wanting to defend Monty's scheduling need to get their facts straight.
Yes, Power Fives play the bulk (if not all non-conference games) at home, and every G5 has nearby colleges as a home foe, there's a difference between "low level" and cupcakes.
For the record, Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida -- are all Division I in men's basketball. Ferris State and Hinsdale are NCAA Division II programs.
Rockford is NCAA Division III and St. Francis is an NAIA program.
Monty has included these wins in his and the team's record regardless of whether the opponent considered it an exhibition. While the basketball committee doesn't officially give consideration to non-Division I opponents, don't believe it doesn't carry a negative connotation.

+1000
Wait for the "don't go if you don't like it" comment.

your "facts straight" post conveniently left out Ferris State and Hinsdale...and I bet you had to look it up to determine Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida were all D1.......that also begs the question..when the presumptive #1 team in the country plays the likes of Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida that is more than comparable to NIU playing the low level schools folks whine about. Again, show me a D1 schedule, particularly mid major, that is filled with less cupcakes than NIU...where does anyone get the idea that Northern is playing so many worse teams (compared to their level) than other D1 schools?

(11-10-2017 12:17 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  your "facts straight" post conveniently left out Ferris State and Hinsdale...and I bet you had to look it up to determine Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida were all D1.......that also begs the question..when the presumptive #1 team in the country plays the likes of Houston Baptist, Southern Utah, Savannah State and (it's actually) North Florida that is more than comparable to NIU playing the low level schools folks whine about. Again, show me a D1 schedule, particularly mid major, that is filled with less cupcakes than NIU...where does anyone get the idea that Northern is playing so many worse teams (compared to their level) than other D1 schools?

Go back and look at the post: Ferris State and Hinsdale were not "conveniently left out." I noted they are NCAA Division II -- compared to NCAA Division III Rockford and NAIA St. Francis. (Seriously, go back and re-read the original post.)
Even though you won't believe it, I knew Houston Baptist, Southern Utah and North Florida were Division I because of other sports since my world doesn't revolve around defending Monty. Yes I did look up Savannah State.
Ironically you acknowledge the Since you didn't ask the impossible to see a schedule with "more" cupcakes than NIU, I did one and only one search: I'll refer you to Akron's 2017-18 non-conference foes: Cleveland State, Tenn.-Martin, Dayton, Chattanooga, Marshall, Fort Wayne, Appalachian State, Mississippi Valley State, USC andConcord College. An entire Division I slate with the exception of a Dec. 29 home game with Concord (WV) College which is Division II. See again Rockford and St. Francis classifications.
Clearly you were not yet a fan during the time teams like Marquette, Wisconsin, Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska, a Top 25 DePaul, or MVC schools came to Evans Field House.
Who's the best non-MAC home opponent this year? Wisconsin-Green Bay?
Some fans simply are not thrilled to pay to see Rockford, Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Illinois-Springfield, Eureka, Indiana-Northwest, or Judson.

I have no problem with NIU loading up on wins OOC

Can someone check all MAC schools for home basketball games this year and see who has quality home games?? Vs a power 5 school......or strong independent.....

MM has failed to bring in one p5 school in his coaching tenure...last
name opponent to come to convo was Northwestern with Patton if I recall.....

clearly, NIU57, you don't understand how scheduling has changed...I was here in '70 to watch the Huskies beat Ray Meyer and I saw NIU defeat #4 Indiana in Chick Evans and hundreds of games since. It is nearly impossible to get the games you pine for scheduled in the home gym of a MAC team. If you wanna play the big boys, they hold all the cards and you gotta go to their place--which monty has done numerous times. You cherry pick Akron and even then, assume, Huskie fans would come out to see tenn-martin, chattanooga, fort wayne, mississippi valley, etc, more so than the current schedule? You really think NIU playing St Francis is any different than MSU playing Houston babtist? Compare their schedule to NIU's.

You just wanna pretend that NIU can attract better teams to the convo but there is no information suggesting that is true. You don't comment on playing Marquette, Iowa State, Iowa........just another whiner with no clue as to the difficulties in home scheduling for a mid major team.

(11-10-2017 12:01 PM)jjj Wrote:  Can someone check all MAC schools for home basketball games this year and see who has quality home games?? Vs a power 5 school......or strong independent.....

MM has failed to bring in one p5 school in his coaching tenure...last
name opponent to come to convo was Northwestern with Patton if I recall.....

That is one thing I know is not the fault of the smaller schools. P5 schools are currently not even returning phone calls about 2 for 1's , 3 for 1's , or anything of the sort.

(11-10-2017 12:01 PM)jjj Wrote:  Can someone check all MAC schools for home basketball games this year and see who has quality home games?? Vs a power 5 school......or strong independent.....

MM has failed to bring in one p5 school in his coaching tenure...last
name opponent to come to convo was Northwestern with Patton if I recall.....

the most notable MAC home games are: Bowling Green hosts San Jose St, Florida Gulf Coast and Evansville/Ball State and KSU host
Valparaiso. Other than that it is barren.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(beat St Francis so I can convince the wife to let me go to the Gulf Coast Showdown)