“Past experience shows that policies that seek to penalize immigration harm my party,” he wrote. In the writer’s home state, the most recent Republican gubernatorial candidate “ran last-minute anti-immigration ads that didn’t move his numbers with swing voters and probably cost him important votes in the El Salvadoran, Guatemalan, and Nicaraguan enclaves of Northern Virginia.”

The writer was Ed Gillespie, and on Tuesday, he proved his thesis. In a Virginia gubernatorial race that was expected to be far closer, the former Republican National Committee chairman lost handily to Democratic Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, in the first swing-state contest of the Trump era. Gillespie sought to run a Donald Trump campaign without Donald Trump, filling mailboxes and television sets with ominous ads depicting tattooed gang members and Confederate monuments while presenting himself to audiences as a grinning, tax-cutting wonk. This strategy backfired, and Democrats held onto all three statewide offices and may even take back Virginia’s house of delegates.

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It's what I have been saying for years.

First generation people vote Dem, does not matter if Ed or GOP is pro anti immigration/illegal immigration etc.
2 GOP Presidents signed amnesty bills, Reagan and Bush 1. Those C. Americans in Va, most of them are not citizens BTW. Dude MJ is a rag, not clicking on it.

(11-08-2017 11:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  First generation people vote Dem, does not matter if Ed or GOP is pro anti immigration/illegal immigration etc.
2 GOP Presidents signed amnesty bills, Reagan and Bush 1. Those C. Americans in Va, most of them are not citizens BTW. Dude MJ is a rag, not clicking on it.

You don't have to read the article. I posted the important information that I wished to discuss anyway.

Care to comment on his quote about immigration?

(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  First generation people vote Dem, does not matter if Ed or GOP is pro anti immigration/illegal immigration etc.
2 GOP Presidents signed amnesty bills, Reagan and Bush 1. Those C. Americans in Va, most of them are not citizens BTW. Dude MJ is a rag, not clicking on it.

You don't have to read the article. I posted the important information that I wished to discuss anyway.

Care to comment on his quote about immigration?

What policy penalizes immigration? This is not explained.

A.) there is no other “Donald Trump”

B.) “establishment Republicans” can’t run a “Donald Trump style” campaign.

C.) Divisivecrats pacs were very effective and involved

D.) This race was defined by immigration (non American) by the Demo’s. Not about everyday workers

(11-08-2017 11:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  A.) there is no other “Donald Trump”

B.) “establishment Republicans” can’t run a “Donald Trump style” campaign.

C.) Divisivecrats pacs were very effective and involved

D.) This race was defined by immigration (non American) by the Demo’s. Not about everyday workers

So do you think it was a mistake for Ed to run those immigration ads?

(11-08-2017 11:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  A.) there is no other “Donald Trump”

B.) “establishment Republicans” can’t run a “Donald Trump style” campaign.

C.) Divisivecrats pacs were very effective and involved

D.) This race was defined by immigration (non American) by the Demo’s. Not about everyday workers

So do you think it was a mistake for Ed to run those immigration ads?

Yes. His ilk need to get out of the way.

The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

(11-08-2017 11:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

Ann Coulter is the one who understands all of it. BTW I have not seen any Ed G adds.
Va has to be heavy blue leaning state with all of the government workers and significant immigrant population.

(11-08-2017 11:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

Gillespie was visually a weeny. A weeny talking tough is a tough talking weeny. Never landed a punch. Never was a fighter.

(11-08-2017 12:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

Ann Coulter is the one who understands all of it. BTW I have not seen any Ed G adds.
Va has to be heavy blue leaning state with all of the government workers and significant immigrant population.

Northern VA accounts for a lot of that. Heck, Fairfax County alone has 1/8th of VA voters.

(11-08-2017 11:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

You are probably right. Fear is a big motivating factor.

Give the masses something to fear and you can get elected. The problem is what you do after.

I know a lot of focus was on how President Donald Trump beat The Clinton/Obama machine BUT, his most impressive victory in hind sight was winning the Republican nomination imo. Gillespie was a nice guy and a weeny

Here is a little insight.....the majority of President Trumps negatives are for “how” he is doing things not for “what” is being done.

As soon as you realize that, everything else becomes clear.

(11-08-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You are probably right. Fear is a big motivating factor.

Give the masses something to fear and you can get elected. The problem is what you do after.

Hence why the dims ran the ad insinuating Republicans run over little minority kids with trucks.

(11-08-2017 12:05 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:00 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The polling outlet that got the margin right, Quinnapiac, had the margin at 17 the week prior. If you go by that, the immigration ads worked as they cut the margin in half.

Ann Coulter is the one who understands all of it. BTW I have not seen any Ed G adds.
Va has to be heavy blue leaning state with all of the government workers and significant immigrant population.

Northern VA accounts for a lot of that. Heck, Fairfax County alone has 1/8th of VA voters.

Northern VA has always been a problem and has gotten worse. You used to be able to make it up in Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, and Chesterfield. No those localities are about 50/50. That is the real problem. These aren't left-wing suburbs stacked with NJ transplants like Fairyfax. In 2004 they were at least 60/40 GOP.

Let's look at 2004:

Fairyfax: Kerry +34k
Chesterfield: Bush +34k
Chesapeake: Bush +14k
Virginia Beach: Bush +34k

Yesterday:

Fairyfax: Northam +138k
Chesterfield: Gillespie +285 votes
Chesapeake: Northam +5k
Virginia Beach: Northam +6k

So yeah, getting routed in NVA makes things impossible to overcome, but the GOP is also losing in large places they should be easily winning and there haven't been any real demographic shifts in those localities to explain it. The Virginia GOP did this to themselves combined with the fact that the last GOP governor was convicted of corruption and the string of democrat governors had the damage controlled by a GOP legislature and the fact that in VA, governor is more of a ceremonial position with little power. Governors Kaine, Warner, and McAulliffe don't seem to be too bad when they don't get to do jack schit.

(11-08-2017 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You are probably right. Fear is a big motivating factor.

Give the masses something to fear and you can get elected. The problem is what you do after.

Hence why the dims ran the ad insinuating Republicans run over little minority kids with trucks.

Question. Was the backlash from the dims’ ad (about Republican supporters running over minority kids) more effective for the Republican than the immigration ad the Republican ran against the dim?

(11-08-2017 12:16 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here is a little insight.....the majority of President Trumps negatives are for “how” he is doing things not for “what” is being done.

As soon as you realize that, everything else becomes clear.

That's an excellent point. I honestly didn't have that much issue with what he said he was going to do for this country.

It was in fact how he claims that he is going to do it and in some cases a lack of a plan for making it happen.

Did he predict the democrats losing 1000 seats, the house, the Senate and Donald Trump being President.. If he had predicted that I would be impressed.

A loser predicting he will lose, not so much.