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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
Not really sure what to take form this W. Obviously it's good to get a w, and we shot the ball well but without much contention. Giving up 81 to a D3 school could be a concern but tough to say as clearly the bench players got a lot of minutes.
11-12-2017 11:01 AM
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I hate we are playing Davidson so early on the schedule, but we will see real fast where this team is. Not expecting a W, but hoping for a competitive showing. With Talley and Cacock on the floor we should be at least decent. Concern is when they come out.

Numbers Ty Taylor has been putting up look pretty bad. How did he look on the court?
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
Ty had an off night shooting, but looked good in other aspects of his game. The biggest surprise for me was Talley's 3 point and passing accuracies.
This team has a lot of work to do to challenge in the CAA. And I don't expect them to beat Davidson at this point. Anytime Cacok goes out will be a huge dropoff. Kalina has a nice shooting touch, but he is too soft right now and doesn't have good hands. But maybe I'm spoiled by Cacok. Hoping Elmore has improved immensely. We are thin down low.
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(11-12-2017 11:34 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Ty had an off night shooting, but looked good in other aspects of his game. The biggest surprise for me was Talley's 3 point and passing accuracies.
This team has a lot of work to do to challenge in the CAA. And I don't expect them to beat Davidson at this point. Anytime Cacok goes out will be a huge dropoff. Kalina has a nice shooting touch, but he is too soft right now and doesn't have good hands. But maybe I'm spoiled by Cacok. Hoping Elmore has improved immensely. We are thin down low.

A competitive game would be a plus vs Davidson. We know our D is going to get a huge test next Sat Vs Cambell and Clemons, he had 39 in their opener Vs Penn State!

Oh, and i could do without the Carolina Blue tie!!!! Coach your color is TEAL now!
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
Ty is really quick and athletic so he might be part of the solution. If he's hitting shots, hit can help you, but can still help if he prudently attacks the cup. Fornes has good ability and should definitely be part of the equation. Richmond has good quicks and a nice game so he will help. Heck, Jacque Brown looked like he can play as well. Talley is the man. It's good to have the 2 freshmen guards/wings off the bench to blend. They have size and both will be good players-both can shoot and will eventually be consistent over time. Two guys that can get their own offense at this point looks to be Talley and Brown-haven't seen enough of Ty, but he and Jaquel have the quicks for sure. I'm sure that Gary can also and probably Estime, but both are freshman that won't likely be trying to do something late in the clock very much.

As far as bigs go, yes, we are thin there right now for his preferred style. That "preferred" style may not be the best thing until Matt gets back when we go to the bench. It may seem odd to some, but I wouldn't mind seeing Powell get a look in a 4 guard set. He's a really good ball player with size that can stroke it. He efficiently scored 8 points in 9 minutes with an assist/no TO last night and seemed to always make the right basketball play. He gives up size at 6'6" but is pretty solidly built. Hawks seemed to do good with Flemings. Not saying that he's at Chris's level (they have different games), but he showed that he can efficiently give you double figures (not part of the scouting report, I get that, but still homeboy looked good). Heck, even some hustling minutes from Etoroma was cool to see-he's a pretty good athlete.
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
Kalina actually exceeded my expectations.

He may not be a "force", but the man had 9 points, 4 blocks, and 2 rebounds in 16 minutes of play. That's worthy of a mention.
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Anybody guessing the line against Davidson? I'd say that it starts at 8 points after the beat down of Charleston Southern. They might be really good this year. They didn't look good to me last year but their coach is fantastic! I've always been a big fan of his and have used some of his stuff with my coaching over the years.
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70's,
He does have a really good touch out there. That left handed shot was awesome and surprising. His defense is the only thing. The 4 blocks is a positive surprise-I remember 2 of them.
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Based on the outside shot of Cacock at this point, i'd like to see him stay at the 5 and play at the rim. I I could see Powell on the court with him at the 4, with Fornes at the 3, Gary shooting guard and Talley at point. Powell plays hard, and if his shot is for real, he could be tough at that 4 spot.

When Elmore comes back, i'd put him in for Powell. Sorry, not to pick on anyone but Bryan doesn't look like he has improved at all and I just don't like him in the game. He doesn't do anything another player can't. I'd bring in Kalina for Cacock simply because of his size and he at least can score. And, I don't like Bryan and Cacock on the floor together, since Bryan just clogs up the middle.

IMO, we can be a top 4 team based on just one game. Cacock and Talley alone put us there.
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 02:02 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  70's,
He does have a really good touch out there. That left handed shot was awesome and surprising. His defense is the only thing. The 4 blocks is a positive surprise-I remember 2 of them.


Frankly, with a DIII team putting up that many points, I wouldn't single out Kalina for his underwhelming defensive performance. The whole team is going to have to tighten up alot before Tuesday...
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(11-12-2017 02:40 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Based on the outside shot of Cacock at this point, i'd like to see him stay at the 5 and play at the rim. I I could see Powell on the court with him at the 4, with Fornes at the 3, Gary shooting guard and Talley at point. Powell plays hard, and if his shot is for real, he could be tough at that 4 spot.

When Elmore comes back, i'd put him in for Powell. Sorry, not to pick on anyone but Bryan doesn't look like he has improved at all and I just don't like him in the game. He doesn't do anything another player can't. I'd bring in Kalina for Cacock simply because of his size and he at least can score. And, I don't like Bryan and Cacock on the floor together, since Bryan just clogs up the middle.

IMO, we can be a top 4 team based on just one game. Cacock and Talley alone put us there.

The top 4 is the place you have to be. But the field is looking more interesting. Did you see the beat-down that Delaware out on Richmond in front of a sell-out Richmond crowd? AT one point they were up by 33 points!
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 03:55 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 02:02 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  70's,
He does have a really good touch out there. That left handed shot was awesome and surprising. His defense is the only thing. The 4 blocks is a positive surprise-I remember 2 of them.


Frankly, with a DIII team putting up that many points, I wouldn't single out Kalina for his underwhelming defensive performance. The whole team is going to have to tighten up alot before Tuesday...

Last year vs Pfeiffer we gave up 113 and only won by 13. It was a similar situation to this year where they scored a lot of points and it wasn't surprising that they'd run with us even though they're D2; Wesleyan last year averaged I believe more possessions per a game than we did and so it's not surprising they kept pace with us, especially since it looked like they brought 30 players with them.

What I'm more concerned with is the lack of rebounding against the undersized team. There were far too many second chances for them when our players needed to put a body on a player and just let the ball come to them, rather than make the, although more athletic and impressive, unnecessary jump for the ball.
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(11-12-2017 01:41 PM)70shawk Wrote:  Kalina actually exceeded my expectations.

He may not be a "force", but the man had 9 points, 4 blocks, and 2 rebounds in 16 minutes of play. That's worthy of a mention.

He definitely got more comfortable and confident as the game went on.

As a 7-footer lacking a ton of athleticism (if he had above average athleticism for a big, let's be honest, he wouldn't be here) he's going to be a bit awkward out there at times. But what he brings to the table will be useful. Most importantly, he allows Cacok to play the 4, and we need that kind of flexibility.
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Also Cacok had a double-double before the 1st half even ended. Dude is a monster. I agree that he and Talley make us a threat, especially the Talley we saw out there last night. As a Senior, this is his team.

And don't forget about Fornes. He was relatively quiet but has a combination of speed and strength that will make him effective in both the 2 and 3 spots, depending on where Taylor is.

We've got a very good squad more than capable of finishing in the top 4.
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(11-12-2017 08:15 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Also Cacok had a double-double before the 1st half even ended. Dude is a monster. I agree that he and Talley make us a threat, especially the Talley we saw out there last night. As a Senior, this is his team.

And don't forget about Fornes. He was relatively quiet but has a combination of speed and strength that will make him effective in both the 2 and 3 spots, depending on where Taylor is.

We've got a very good squad more than capable of finishing in the top 4.

How the next 5 players(after the ones you just mentioned) grow over the course of the season will define just how far this team can/can't go!
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(11-13-2017 07:45 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  How the next 5 players(after the ones you just mentioned) grow over the course of the season will define just how far this team can/can't go!

Agreed.

I really like Jeff Gary. It's been a while since we've had an exciting young pure shooter. The kid went 3-4 from three against UNC at the Jamboree. He only went 1-4 from distance against NC Wesleyan, but I like the confidence he's displaying thus far.

His skillset always has a role on a team, even if it isn't as a starter.
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(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

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(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

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I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
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(11-14-2017 07:30 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

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I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
It's cheaper to pay a d2 and below to come for a 1 off than it is to pay a d1 to come for a 1 off.
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(11-14-2017 08:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 07:30 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

/steps down off of soap box

I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
It's cheaper to pay a d2 and below to come for a 1 off than it is to pay a d1 to come for a 1 off.

If three schools were to schedule a round-robin , nobody has to pay anybody - everyone gets a home game.

I get it, it's not easy to get people to come to your place. But my point is that I think it's less difficult than some would have us believe. It's just easier and more fun to play a DIII school. The only problem is that when you do that, you're not fooling anyone - except perhaps yourself.
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