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(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

If someone from China or Canada or Mexico or France steals from a store in Alabama we don't send them back where they came from to let the other country deal with it. We arrest and prosecute using US and Alabama law.

You cannot expect another sovereign nation to give them special treatment because they are visiting Americans anymore than they should expect us to give their citizens a pass.

Still not the worst case. Worst case was the kid from Arkansas who got a free shopping trip at Belk's as part of the Belk Bowl and proceeded to get arrested for shoplifting at Belk's.
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(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

Just curious... How is, essentially 'do the crime, do the time', considered "ridiculous standards"?
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(11-08-2017 09:23 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Welcome to the world outside of the US.

It's sad that probably nobody has educated them about other countries laws and government systems....especially Communists and Dictatorships.
There are dozens of cases like this where US citizens do stupid stuff and suffer under the judicial system of countries like China, Singapore, Middle East and other Asian countries. Just because they are basketball players and some from well off families won't make it easier like here in the US.
I guessing they appreciate the US even more now.

Well, to be honest, NO ONE should have to tell these kids that shoplifting is against the law.
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(11-08-2017 01:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 11:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Those bathrooms in NC probably don't sound too bad right now

03-lmfao

California cant travel to nc, texas or tennessee, sends basketball players to China

03-lmfao

And they would have been fine in China if they didn't break the law. The GT players are a-okay.
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(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.
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(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?
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(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

So...not knowing the details of what these guys lifted...they were shoplifting at Louis Vitton. Depending on the amount they (are accused of stealing), they may...even in the US...have exceeded misdemeanor (petty) theft and easily have entered felony (grand theft) territory. Amounts differ due to jurisdiction, but I think it usually is around $1,000 to $1,500 before you leave the "minor" crime arena and have entered the "major" crime territory.

Just sayin'... If they stole some expensive stuff--which us likely at a Louis Vitton store--they may not have committed a "minor crime," even in the eyes of US statues.

I think this is a group of entitled athletes who stole...not as a "stunt" or out of "necessity"...but because they, especially LiAngelo Ball, felt like they were entitled to and figured out that they will not be penalized for it. And let's be honest...they won't. There is no way they are going to be imprisoned in China; detained, maybe, but not imprisoned. And there is ZERO chance that UCLA will dismiss them; probably suspend them for a couple of games and scold them a little bit. And in a year or so, LiAngelo Ball will be a first-round or "lottery" pick and will be paid HUGE $$$ to play in the "Association."

These kids know they are absolutely entitled to do whatever they want and all we will do is bend over and kiss their a**es.

Edit: A quick "google" search turned up this...
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-cha...ncing.html

This says the limits on "petty" theft are actually more commonly between $500 and $1000.
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(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.
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(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.

It's not just Egypt.

I have an Iranian friend who has lived in the US for 10 years. Helluva guy. When he goes to visit family in Iran and Germany, people frequently ask him why he chooses to live in a racist country like the USA. He responds by asking them if they would allow their daughter to marry a black man. The response is ALWAYS, "No." (you'd get the same response in every Asian country, too).

The US is the most accepting society in the world, except maybe Canada. Can we do better? Sure. But there's a big difference between trying to do better and saying that the USA, its flag, its anthem, and its traditions are so racist that we can't support it.
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(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

What is word salad supposed to mean? The players are kneeling because of the lack of accountability of police abuse on minority citizens.

Also you should actually learn about your own justice system since people are held for months and years without a trail. Kalief Browder at 16 was sent to Rikers where he remained for 3 years without any charges being brought against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html

He then killed himself after he got out.

Quote:"Kalief Browder was sent to Rikers Island when he was 16 years old, accused of stealing a backpack. Though he never stood trial or was found guilty of any crime, he spent three years at the New York City jail complex, nearly two of them in solitary confinement."















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(11-08-2017 12:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.

It's not just Egypt.

I have an Iranian friend who has lived in the US for 10 years. Helluva guy. When he goes to visit family in Iran and Germany, people frequently ask him why he chooses to live in a racist country like the USA. He responds by asking them if they would allow their daughter to marry a black man. The response is ALWAYS, "No." (you'd get the same response in every Asian country, too).

The US is the most accepting society in the world, except maybe Canada. Can we do better? Sure. But there's a big difference between trying to do better and saying that the USA, its flag, its anthem, and its traditions are so racist that we can't support it.

Well too bad the NFL players aren't saying any of that. Thats what people are saying they are saying. Trump and Republicans are trying to rebrand the protest as one that is anti-America and unpatriotic. Thats spin, the truth is it started after a conversation with a Green Beret Vet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...66961.html

https://undertheradar.military.com/2016/...ls-anthem/

Quote:“We were talking to him about how can we get the message back on track and not take away from the military, not take away from pride in our country but keep the focus on what the issues really are,” Kaepernick said after the game. “As we talked about it, we came up with taking a knee because there are issues that still need to be addressed and there was also a way to show more respect for the men and women that fight for this country.”

Quote:“Once again, I’m not anti-American. I love America. I love people. That’s why I’m doing this. I want to help make America better. I think having these conversations helps everybody have a better understanding of where everybody is coming from.

“Those conversations are important to have because the better we understand each other, the better we know each other, the better we can deal and communicate with each other which ultimately makes everyone, puts everybody in a better position.”
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(11-08-2017 12:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  What is word salad supposed to mean? The players are kneeling because of the lack of accountability of police abuse on minority citizens.

Also you should actually learn about your own justice system since people are held for months and years without a trail. Kalief Browder at 16 was sent to Rikers where he remained for 3 years without any charges being brought against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html

He then killed himself after he got out.

Sad story, but you left out the part that the kid was convicted of grand larceny 8 months before the second arrest and was placed on probation. Due to his prior felony, he was considered an adult at 16. When he allegedly stole the backpack, he was sent to Rikers because of the probation violation. If his record would have been clean, the situation probably would have ended up completely different.

After his arrest, he went before a court that issued bail at $3000. Depending on the jurisdiction, you could have purchased a bond for 10% of the amount or $300 (although some news stories say $900). No one bailed him out.

Again, its a sad story. Unfortunately, Rikers there are so many criminal in Rikers, the trial courts in NYC are bogged down. I don't think the court treated him unfair. Bail was minimal for a felon. He was offered multiple plea deals, including ones the would have allowed him to be released immediately, but he refused. I doubt you can argue it was a racial discrimination case, since the alleged victim was also African-American.

Should the courts be better funded so that the accused don't spend years waiting for trial? Of course. But, no one wants to have their taxes raised. So, the courts operate the best they can with limited resources. Unfortunately, there are situations like this. I remember a case in Arkansas where a man was held 10 or 11 years without a trial. I think there was a case not too long ago about a woman who was arrested on a drug offense who wasn't allowed to see a lawyer or a judge for 3 months. Clearly, these are unacceptable situations. However, how often do they happen in the United States? Certainly, these cases are the exception and not the rule. And, when a case like this arises, local governments are quick to put in place safeguards to insure that these situations never arise again. While even 1 case is 1 too many, mistakes are going to happen.

All that said, the best way to fix the criminal justice system is to reduce crime. Making the sentences lighter or not prosecuting certain crimes to limit the use of the court's systems resources doesn't really solve anything in the long run.
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(11-08-2017 01:05 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  What is word salad supposed to mean? The players are kneeling because of the lack of accountability of police abuse on minority citizens.

Also you should actually learn about your own justice system since people are held for months and years without a trail. Kalief Browder at 16 was sent to Rikers where he remained for 3 years without any charges being brought against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html

He then killed himself after he got out.

Sad story, but you left out the part that the kid was convicted of grand larceny 8 months before the second arrest and was placed on probation. Due to his prior felony, he was considered an adult at 16. When he allegedly stole the backpack, he was sent to Rikers because of the probation violation. If his record would have been clean, the situation probably would have ended up completely different.

After his arrest, he went before a court that issued bail at $3000. Depending on the jurisdiction, you could have purchased a bond for 10% of the amount or $300 (although some news stories say $900). No one bailed him out.

Again, its a sad story. Unfortunately, Rikers there are so many criminal in Rikers, the trial courts in NYC are bogged down. I don't think the court treated him unfair. Bail was minimal for a felon. He was offered multiple plea deals, including ones the would have allowed him to be released immediately, but he refused. I doubt you can argue it was a racial discrimination case, since the alleged victim was also African-American.

Should the courts be better funded so that the accused don't spend years waiting for trial? Of course. But, no one wants to have their taxes raised. So, the courts operate the best they can with limited resources. Unfortunately, there are situations like this. I remember a case in Arkansas where a man was held 10 or 11 years without a trial. I think there was a case not too long ago about a woman who was arrested on a drug offense who wasn't allowed to see a lawyer or a judge for 3 months. Clearly, these are unacceptable situations. However, how often do they happen in the United States? Certainly, these cases are the exception and not the rule. And, when a case like this arises, local governments are quick to put in place safeguards to insure that these situations never arise again. While even 1 case is 1 too many, mistakes are going to happen.

All that said, the best way to fix the criminal justice system is to reduce crime. Making the sentences lighter or not prosecuting certain crimes to limit the use of the court's systems resources doesn't really solve anything in the long run.

So he should plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit? You think thats what a just system is?

Creating harsher punishments for non-violent crimes doesn't help anyone either.
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(11-08-2017 01:05 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  What is word salad supposed to mean? The players are kneeling because of the lack of accountability of police abuse on minority citizens.

Also you should actually learn about your own justice system since people are held for months and years without a trail. Kalief Browder at 16 was sent to Rikers where he remained for 3 years without any charges being brought against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html

He then killed himself after he got out.

Sad story, but you left out the part that the kid was convicted of grand larceny 8 months before the second arrest and was placed on probation. Due to his prior felony, he was considered an adult at 16. When he allegedly stole the backpack, he was sent to Rikers because of the probation violation. If his record would have been clean, the situation probably would have ended up completely different.

After his arrest, he went before a court that issued bail at $3000. Depending on the jurisdiction, you could have purchased a bond for 10% of the amount or $300 (although some news stories say $900). No one bailed him out.

Again, its a sad story. Unfortunately, Rikers there are so many criminal in Rikers, the trial courts in NYC are bogged down. I don't think the court treated him unfair. Bail was minimal for a felon. He was offered multiple plea deals, including ones the would have allowed him to be released immediately, but he refused. I doubt you can argue it was a racial discrimination case, since the alleged victim was also African-American.

Should the courts be better funded so that the accused don't spend years waiting for trial? Of course. But, no one wants to have their taxes raised. So, the courts operate the best they can with limited resources. Unfortunately, there are situations like this. I remember a case in Arkansas where a man was held 10 or 11 years without a trial. I think there was a case not too long ago about a woman who was arrested on a drug offense who wasn't allowed to see a lawyer or a judge for 3 months. Clearly, these are unacceptable situations. However, how often do they happen in the United States? Certainly, these cases are the exception and not the rule. And, when a case like this arises, local governments are quick to put in place safeguards to insure that these situations never arise again. While even 1 case is 1 too many, mistakes are going to happen.

All that said, the best way to fix the criminal justice system is to reduce crime. Making the sentences lighter or not prosecuting certain crimes to limit the use of the court's systems resources doesn't really solve anything in the long run.

Don't recall Arkansas holding anyone that long.
South Carolina had one held 10 years where they just never got around to having a trial.
North Carolina had a guy held 14 but the North Carolina guy has never been held competent to stand trial state doctors say his IQ is 50-57 and he wasn't competent to waive Miranda when he confessed. He had not been adjudicated not guilty by mental defect where he would be held until no longer a danger to himself or others, instead on indefinite hold "in the hope" he will be competent to stand trial some day.
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Quote:Ball, Riley and Hill were released around 4 a.m. Wednesday and were staying at a luxury hotel in Hangzhou along with a UCLA representative, according to a source. They are being required by Hangzhou police to remain at the hotel until the legal process is over, the source said.

Alford rejoined the rest of UCLA's team in Shanghai on Wednesday morning after the players were released. The coach said the three players involved would not play against Georgia Tech and referred to a previous statement released by the school.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...zhou-china
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Sounds like they are just going to deport them to avoid an international incident. That is good news for the three.

Were they wanting to jail them they would have taken them away. They may still do that after the teams leave.
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(11-08-2017 09:27 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 08:53 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Stupid stunt, our government is going to have to rescue their stupid carcasses, they should get kicked off the team.


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That would be an extra benefit wouldn't it? The government should do nothing to rescue them. Let justice run its course
Lol it's scary that you are probably right in the eyes of the NCAA
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(11-07-2017 05:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 05:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

I set the bar high for myself. Where as most in the world set the bar low so they can feel like they accomplish something.

Nothing says a high moral standard like half naked women shooting guns. hahahahaha

Half? They're pretty much fully naked.
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(11-07-2017 05:55 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 05:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
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(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

I set the bar high for myself. Where as most in the world set the bar low so they can feel like they accomplish something.

Nothing says a high moral standard like half naked women shooting guns. hahahahaha
How about volleyball?
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(11-08-2017 12:28 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.

It's not just Egypt.

I have an Iranian friend who has lived in the US for 10 years. Helluva guy. When he goes to visit family in Iran and Germany, people frequently ask him why he chooses to live in a racist country like the USA. He responds by asking them if they would allow their daughter to marry a black man. The response is ALWAYS, "No." (you'd get the same response in every Asian country, too).

The US is the most accepting society in the world, except maybe Canada. Can we do better? Sure. But there's a big difference between trying to do better and saying that the USA, its flag, its anthem, and its traditions are so racist that we can't support it.

Well too bad the NFL players aren't saying any of that. Thats what people are saying they are saying. Trump and Republicans are trying to rebrand the protest as one that is anti-America and unpatriotic. Thats spin, the truth is it started after a conversation with a Green Beret Vet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...66961.html

https://undertheradar.military.com/2016/...ls-anthem/

Quote:“We were talking to him about how can we get the message back on track and not take away from the military, not take away from pride in our country but keep the focus on what the issues really are,” Kaepernick said after the game. “As we talked about it, we came up with taking a knee because there are issues that still need to be addressed and there was also a way to show more respect for the men and women that fight for this country.”

Quote:“Once again, I’m not anti-American. I love America. I love people. That’s why I’m doing this. I want to help make America better. I think having these conversations helps everybody have a better understanding of where everybody is coming from.

“Those conversations are important to have because the better we understand each other, the better we know each other, the better we can deal and communicate with each other which ultimately makes everyone, puts everybody in a better position.”

Not so fast my friend.
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — The California NAACP is pushing to get rid of the national anthem that they’re calling racist and anti-black.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/11/0...em-racist/
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