Graham didn't look good in the opener against a pretty good BC defense that was bringing a fair amount of pressure. I don't think you can conclude there is no chance he could be more effective with less pressure, against MAC defenses, and the maturation of some of our wide receivers.

If Graham is able to improve over his BC performance in Week 11 against MAC defenses is he better than Childers? No one knows the answer to that question until we see him on the field.

(11-07-2017 07:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I don't know why people are making the QB rotation out to be chaotic? As if Carey spins a wheel to pick his guy each week. Agree with it or not, Carey made his mind up to start the season: Graham,Santa, Childers. Graham got hurt. Santa int'd his way out of the job. Childers is basically holding down the fort. There have been only 2 QB decisions. Season starting order. And whether or not to bench Santa. You can argue against both for sure, but there's not some crazy rotation or mass confusion. If he switches back to Graham, it would simply be consistent with how he wanted things all along. Not flip-flopping.

Completely agree.

Childers has not lit the world on fire. Going back to your preseason #1 after recovering from injury is a reasonable decision given the other options haven't separated themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if he played both and if Graham looks better, let him finish the rest of the game and season. Who knows, he might win the last three conference games and get us a bowl win over a Sun Belt team to finish 10-3. Who would have thought that was possible at the beginning of the season?

Not sure Graham can stay healthy, but that's a different issue.

If Graham played against Toledo and played the exact same game Childers did, this place would be killing him.

(11-07-2017 08:11 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Calvin Dassow, a 6-7 310 lbs freshman O-line man, is also targeted to take a few snaps at qb. He's trimmed all the way down to 308 lbs for this chance. I mean, why not?
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I just picked the tallest dude on the team off the roster site. He's 6-7, he can see over everyone, he's a natural selection for QB, it's a no brainer!

and burn his redshirt? No. Never. We will need him in the rotation in 20 & 21.

(11-07-2017 09:22 PM)7 Wrote:  If Graham played against Toledo and played the exact same game Childers did, this place would be killing him.

Haha, true that

(11-07-2017 10:20 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:22 PM)7 Wrote:  If Graham played against Toledo and played the exact same game Childers did, this place would be killing him.

Haha, true that

No, not really. Because we would have expected it.

(11-07-2017 06:10 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:00 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  He can't be serious.

Just don't react to him. He hates it when this board ignores him.

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If only this board had an IGNORE tool. Oh wait, it does!
(And I've enjoyed the board much more since using that tool for MD02.)

+100

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Honestly I was referring to Carey's comment, not MDs. But that was based on the thought that we'll go back to Graham as a starter at this point. If he would just come in for spot duty in a blowout then that's different. Though I still think Santa should come in first.

(11-07-2017 11:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:10 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:00 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  He can't be serious.

Just don't react to him. He hates it when this board ignores him.

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If only this board had an IGNORE tool. Oh wait, it does!
(And I've enjoyed the board much more since using that tool for MD02.)

+100

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Honestly I was referring to Carey's comment, not MDs. But that was based on the thought that we'll go back to Graham as a starter at this point. If he would just come in for spot duty in a blowout then that's different. Though I still think Santa should come in first.

Hahahaha thanks NIU007, the pitchfork mob has been dispersed hahah.

(11-07-2017 10:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:20 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:22 PM)7 Wrote:  If Graham played against Toledo and played the exact same game Childers did, this place would be killing him.

Haha, true that

No, not really. Because we would have expected it.

It has been awhile since NIU has been in such desperate need of players capable of the explosive play. Weakest WR core in awhile, and I fear next year will be even worse.

Might has well let Graham play the rest of the season. Not likely that we will be in the MAC Championship game. Also not like that we lose our next few games. Let the senior play it out. We’ll never have to see him play ever again after this year.

(11-08-2017 01:44 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Might has well let Graham play the rest of the season. Not likely that we will be in the MAC Championship game. Also not like that we lose our next few games. Let the senior play it out. We’ll never have to see him play ever again after this year.

Graham is a junior lol

Something to consider about Santa's benching is his decision making has been a consistent issue throughout his tenure at NIU. Even during training camps it's been mentioned that the coaches were on him about throwing interceptions. Fast forward to SDSU game and I'm guessing he was never supposed to throw the ball or throw it over the top so it could never be intercepted. My point is that our coaches see a recurring theme with Santa and have now put him in a situation where he has to fix it or won't start again. Santa still has a shot but it's on him to stop making mental mistakes.

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(11-08-2017 06:40 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  Something to consider about Santa's benching is his decision making has been a consistent issue throughout his tenure at NIU. Even during training camps it's been mentioned that the coaches were on him about throwing interceptions. Fast forward to SDSU game and I'm guessing he was never supposed to throw the ball or throw it over the top so it could never be intercepted. My point is that our coaches see a recurring theme with Santa and have now put him in a situation where he has to fix it or won't start again. Santa still has a shot but it's on him to stop making mental mistakes.

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I think what's frustrating is that the SDSU pick that decided the game should have never even occurred. You don't give Santa that pass option there , NIU was shredding the Aztec run defense and the win was there for the taking. It's too bad coaches can't be suspended for bonehead mistakes

(11-08-2017 06:40 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  Something to consider about Santa's benching is his decision making has been a consistent issue throughout his tenure at NIU. Even during training camps it's been mentioned that the coaches were on him about throwing interceptions. Fast forward to SDSU game and I'm guessing he was never supposed to throw the ball or throw it over the top so it could never be intercepted. My point is that our coaches see a recurring theme with Santa and have now put him in a situation where he has to fix it or won't start again. Santa still has a shot but it's on him to stop making mental mistakes.

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He also turned the ball over a lot in high school

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Something to consider about Santa's benching is his decision making has been a consistent issue throughout his tenure at NIU. Even during training camps it's been mentioned that the coaches were on him about throwing interceptions. Fast forward to SDSU game and I'm guessing he was never supposed to throw the ball or throw it over the top so it could never be intercepted. My point is that our coaches see a recurring theme with Santa and have now put him in a situation where he has to fix it or won't start again. Santa still has a shot but it's on him to stop making mental mistakes.

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To improve you have to be coached, and you have to play. Santa has been basically shut down since SDSU. He had 1 pick in his start against EIU, zero picks against Nebraska. He made two bad decisions against SDSU ( the 3rd was in desperation time). There were 19 interceptions in the Big 10 alone on Satrsday; 4 by Heisman candidate J.T. Barrett. The Miami of Ohio QB threw 2 in the win over Akron yesterday. Interceptions happen! Carey is obviously intolerant of turnovers; but the decision to bench Santa has to be more than his (Santa’s) limited body of work, which for the most part was impressive. I think it all comes down to who fits the offensive scheme the best; he wants a running QB to execute this offense which is based on short high % passes. Santa’s skills would fit much better in a system like Toledo runs.

(11-08-2017 01:46 AM)7 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 01:44 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Might has well let Graham play the rest of the season. Not likely that we will be in the MAC Championship game. Also not like that we lose our next few games. Let the senior play it out. We’ll never have to see him play ever again after this year.

Graham is a junior lol

Aww Damn. Lol

(11-07-2017 03:09 PM)armour248 Wrote:  From what I read, Carey said Graham "could play". That doesn't mean anything. He could start. He could play one series when we're up 35-7. He could play zero snaps. He could become an astronaut. FWIW, Tears said it has been "really good" to see Graham out there practicing again. Go ahead and over analyze that too.

Since I am not a coach, and no one is going to pin my quote to the lockerroom wall to motivate their team, I am going to say what Carey can not say out of sportsmanship. This game will be won long before it is over, and there should be plenty of garbage time to play the bench warmers. Therefore, all of the QBs could get a chance to play in this game. Maybe even Victor E. could take a few snaps.

(11-07-2017 06:53 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact you guys are happy with the current state of this QB debacle is shocking to me. Aren't winning the West this way unless things change. The only solution I can think of as long as Carey is here is for him to delegate all things QB and all things offense to someone else

+100

There's a saying in football that when you have three quarterbacks, you really don't have any.

When you have three quarterbacks and it appears you don't know which one to play, it's even worse.

There are only two things that are important in football (and I do love watching the defense play)------health and the quarterback, not necessarily in that order.

See: Green Bay Packers, Florida State Seminoles, Indianapolis Colts, etc..........

I think it was Aunt Polly in Mark Twain's classic, Tom Sawyer who famously observed and wisely pointed out that "one quarterback is a quarterback. Two quarterbacks are half a quarterback, and three quarterbacks are no quarterback at all."

You can check me on that, but I am sure it was her. Anyone... ?

(11-08-2017 12:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:53 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact you guys are happy with the current state of this QB debacle is shocking to me. Aren't winning the West this way unless things change. The only solution I can think of as long as Carey is here is for him to delegate all things QB and all things offense to someone else

+100

There's a saying in football that when you have three quarterbacks, you really don't have any.

When you have three quarterbacks and it appears you don't know which one to play, it's even worse.

There are only two things that are important in football (and I do love watching the defense play)------health and the quarterback, not necessarily in that order.

See: Green Bay Packers, Florida State Seminoles, Indianapolis Colts, etc..........

I think it was Aunt Polly in Mark Twain's classic, Tom Sawyer who famously observed and wisely pointed out that "one quarterback is a quarterback. Two quarterbacks are half a quarterback, and three quarterbacks are no quarterback at all."

You can check me on that, but I am sure it was her. Anyone... ?

I think in Carey’s mind he has had a #1 QB all along; what you can’t account for is injuries and development. Carey made it very clear at the start of the year that Graham was his guy; then Ryan got hurt. Enter Santa, who never received a resounding endorsement from Carey, even though he was playing quite well, and did some things Graham could not do; then SDSU happened and Carey saw all that was good and bad with Santa; at that point he made the change to Childers, for reasons we have discussed to the point of exhaustion. What does this all mean? When Graham is ready he will be the number 1; Childers is the #2 unless he is unable to go at that point (at least for the time being) Santa will assume the starting role. Next season the picture gets further complicated with Hall in the mix; but until Graham (when healthy) plays himself out of the role it is his.

(11-07-2017 04:27 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

ST = Spencer Tears. Sure sounds like one of our best WR's would welcome Graham back in a heartbeat...can't wait for the message board QB whisperers to digest that

And a better quote of what Carey said on Graham...basically that it would be good to get him some reps if possible



Both are from https://twitter.com/JCTSports

Really?

So he was asked a question I presume and answered it the best way possible.

He addressed have him back out there, perhaps influence on sidelines.

Seriously, what do you possibly think he would say? Do you think he's going to say he sucks? I don't care if he's back? I guess you took it as I want him to play, he gets me the ball, others don't and suck.

If we want to read into things anymore than being supportive there needs to be some common sense in that any player with a brain would not be be negative, overly excited so much as to diss another teammate.