ST = Spencer Tears. Sure sounds like one of our best WR's would welcome Graham back in a heartbeat...can't wait for the message board QB whisperers to digest that

And a better quote of what Carey said on Graham...basically that it would be good to get him some reps if possible



Both are from https://twitter.com/JCTSports

(11-07-2017 04:27 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

ST = Spencer Tears. Sure sounds like one of our best WR's would welcome Graham back in a heartbeat...can't wait for the message board QB whisperers to digest that

And a better quote of what Carey said on Graham...basically that it would be good to get him some reps if possible



Both are from https://twitter.com/JCTSports

Sounds like coach-speak from Tears.

It appears that if it's a blowout Carey will give Graham some reps.

I think we need to come to grips that we are not going to have an established starter here for several years. Going to be hard to compete in this conference by treating the QB position like this. All three QBs are worse for going through this , I feel for every one of them. Should not be like this

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  He can't be serious.

Just don't react to him. He hates it when this board ignores him.

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If only this board had an IGNORE tool. Oh wait, it does!
(And I've enjoyed the board much more since using that tool for MD02.)

(11-07-2017 06:00 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  He can't be serious.

Just don't react to him. He hates it when this board ignores him.

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If only this board had an IGNORE tool. Oh wait, it does!
(And I've enjoyed the board much more since using that tool for MD02.)

+100

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The fact you guys are happy with the current state of this QB debacle is shocking to me. Aren't winning the West this way unless things change. The only solution I can think of as long as Carey is here is for him to delegate all things QB and all things offense to someone else

yep, just ignore.

Any word on Huff? Even if he's still not 100%, may be good to give him another week off, since this is a game 'we' 'should' win without him.

(11-07-2017 06:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The fact you guys are happy with the current state of this QB debacle is shocking to me. Aren't winning the West this way unless things change. The only solution I can think of as long as Carey is here is for him to delegate all things QB and all things offense to someone else

+100

There's a saying in football that when you have three quarterbacks, you really don't have any.

When you have three quarterbacks and it appears you don't know which one to play, it's even worse.

There are only two things that are important in football (and I do love watching the defense play)------health and the quarterback, not necessarily in that order.

See: Green Bay Packers, Florida State Seminoles, Indianapolis Colts, etc..........

Santa bring benched for the SDSU game is baffling. He sure looks like the best QB on the team to me.

The thing I hate about the QB musical chairs and not being able to make a decision...the end of the year is near, and you feel like no one has made progress, the year was a waste , and essentially they are as good off as they started. Just such a waste of eligibility and time.

I don't know why people are making the QB rotation out to be chaotic? As if Carey spins a wheel to pick his guy each week. Agree with it or not, Carey made his mind up to start the season: Graham,Santa, Childers. Graham got hurt. Santa int'd his way out of the job. Childers is basically holding down the fort. There have been only 2 QB decisions. Season starting order. And whether or not to bench Santa. You can argue against both for sure, but there's not some crazy rotation or mass confusion. If he switches back to Graham, it would simply be consistent with how he wanted things all along. Not flip-flopping.

There is no way to sugar coat this Massive massive cluster

This does not mean a thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see all 4 QBs take snaps in this game.

MD take a chill pill.

Calvin Dassow, a 6-7 310 lbs freshman O-line man, is also targeted to take a few snaps at qb. He's trimmed all the way down to 308 lbs for this chance. I mean, why not?
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I just picked the tallest dude on the team off the roster site. He's 6-7, he can see over everyone, he's a natural selection for QB, it's a no brainer!

(11-07-2017 07:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I don't know why people are making the QB rotation out to be chaotic? As if Carey spins a wheel to pick his guy each week. Agree with it or not, Carey made his mind up to start the season: Graham,Santa, Childers. Graham got hurt. Santa int'd his way out of the job. Childers is basically holding down the fort. There have been only 2 QB decisions. Season starting order. And whether or not to bench Santa. You can argue against both for sure, but there's not some crazy rotation or mass confusion. If he switches back to Graham, it would simply be consistent with how he wanted things all along. Not flip-flopping.

Stop using logic. This board thrives on chaos.

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(11-07-2017 08:29 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I don't know why people are making the QB rotation out to be chaotic? As if Carey spins a wheel to pick his guy each week. Agree with it or not, Carey made his mind up to start the season: Graham,Santa, Childers. Graham got hurt. Santa int'd his way out of the job. Childers is basically holding down the fort. There have been only 2 QB decisions. Season starting order. And whether or not to bench Santa. You can argue against both for sure, but there's not some crazy rotation or mass confusion. If he switches back to Graham, it would simply be consistent with how he wanted things all along. Not flip-flopping.

Stop using logic. This board thrives on chaos.

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75% of this board is pretty rational. 25% are agenda driven. The ones who are agenda driven pay no mind to the evidence on the field or any arguments presented. They just want to push their agenda. No different than hard left or right politics. No matter what the debate is, they get it back to their agenda. In both situations, the people around them get fed up and ignore or avoid them.

A look at the numbers supports what many have been observing (who throws better, who runs better, who makes better decisions, etc) and gives some insight as to why the QB situation is both difficult and confusing.
Keep in mind what we know ... 1) Carey wants a running QB, always has always will
2) turnovers = death to Carey

This is a breakdown on Receiver productivity by QB (receptions-yards-TDs)

Graham. Santa Childers
Brown 2-31-1. 14-103-0. 19-199-1
Avg 4.6-34.3 Avg 3.8 - 39.8

Tears 3-29-0 11-163-2 18-201-2
Avg 3.6 - 54.3 Avg 3.6 40.2

Blake. No catches 21-261-3 11-97-0
Avg 7-87 Avg 2.2 - 18.4

Beebe 6-93-0 4-32 (1 half). 13-229
Avg 3.25 - 57.2

Wineman. 4-37-1. 2-4-1. 21-231
Avg .6 - 1.3. Avg 4.2-46.2

Wesley 5- 59
Avg 2.5-29.5

Notes: Santa only has one half of play with Beebe
Santa had 4 picks in 3 games (plus 1 against KSU his only pass)
Childers has had 3 picks in 5 games; Graham had one pick in his only game.
Graham statistically (only 1 game) easily has the best running average
Graham played against a solid BC defense; Santa played against 2 solid teams and 1 weak opponent; Childers played against Toledo and EMU which were good; BGSU, KSU and BU...weak at best.

Conclusions
Childers and Graham both make great use of Wineman; Santa not at all
The difference between Santa and the other QBs as it pertains to Blake is staggering. Tears is also most effective with Santa at QB. Not shown here, but Childers uses the backs in passing routes very well. The short passing game; advantage Childers and Graham.
So now we see why the QB situation is not an easy one. Given this offense (and Carey’s no tolerance rule on turnovers) Graham and Childers are both viable options. However, if we want to play long ball, Santa is the best and nobody else is even close. The time to correct Santa’s decision making was the KSU through EMU games; so that ship has sailed. Who is the best is an interesting debate, because the data doesn’t necessarily point to a clear winner; it comes down to who fits the system the best.

(11-07-2017 08:46 PM)Djud Wrote:  A look at the numbers supports what many have been observing (who throws better, who runs better, who makes better decisions, etc) and gives some insight as to why the QB situation is both difficult and confusing.
Keep in mind what we know ... 1) Carey wants a running QB, always has always will
2) turnovers = death to Carey

This is a breakdown on Receiver productivity by QB (receptions-yards-TDs)

Graham. Santa Childers
Brown 2-31-1. 14-103-0. 19-199-1
Avg 4.6-34.3 Avg 3.8 - 39.8

Tears 3-29-0 11-163-2 18-201-2
Avg 3.6 - 54.3 Avg 3.6 40.2

Blake. No catches 21-261-3 11-97-0
Avg 7-87 Avg 2.2 - 18.4

Beebe 6-93-0 4-32 (1 half). 13-229
Avg 3.25 - 57.2

Wineman. 4-37-1. 2-4-1. 21-231
Avg .6 - 1.3. Avg 4.2-46.2

Wesley 5- 59
Avg 2.5-29.5

Notes: Santa only has one half of play with Beebe
Santa had 4 picks in 3 games (plus 1 against KSU his only pass)
Childers has had 3 picks in 5 games; Graham had one pick in his only game.
Graham statistically (only 1 game) easily has the best running average
Graham played against a solid BC defense; Santa played against 2 solid teams and 1 weak opponent; Childers played against Toledo and EMU which were good; BGSU, KSU and BU...weak at best.

Conclusions
Childers and Graham both make great use of Wineman; Santa not at all
The difference between Santa and the other QBs as it pertains to Blake is staggering. Tears is also most effective with Santa at QB. Not shown here, but Childers uses the backs in passing routes very well. The short passing game; advantage Childers and Graham.
So now we see why the QB situation is not an easy one. Given this offense (and Carey’s no tolerance rule on turnovers) Graham and Childers are both viable options. However, if we want to play long ball, Santa is the best and nobody else is even close. The time to correct Santa’s decision making was the KSU through EMU games; so that ship has sailed. Who is the best is an interesting debate, because the data doesn’t necessarily point to a clear winner; it comes down to who fits the system the best.

Not sure why my columns don’t align when I post the same way I wrote it; that sucks!

(11-07-2017 07:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Agree with it or not, Carey made his mind up to start the season: Graham,Santa, Childers. Graham got hurt. Santa int'd his way out of the job. Childers is basically holding down the fort. There have been only 2 QB decisions.

100% and the first "decision" was made entirely due to injury. The second could have been weather aided since Santa couldn't seem to hold onto the ball in the rain. They kept rolling with Childers because he was winning games and protecting the ball. There's a good number of guys who have never coached or played football in their lives that think they are Bill Belicheck when they are on the internet.

(11-07-2017 07:05 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Santa bring benched for the SDSU game is baffling. He sure looks like the best QB on the team to me.

I agree that the offense has looked the best with Santa at the helm. I also believe that his body of work was too limited and he was too inexperienced to conclude that he had a major problem with throwing interceptions that he could not overcome.

We will never know how he would have developed with additional coaching and additional reps. Unless Childress shows some improvement soon in the passing game, he is not the answer, Graham isn't either.