i'll let somebody else handle that because I've been wrong about everything on this topic lol

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

(11-09-2017 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

It would probably take a large sample size to determine, but I'd guess it's possible that minor injuries occur while theyre running, small tears or hairline fracture, then rupture when stressed just right whether through contact or not.

(11-09-2017 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

It would probably take a large sample size to determine, but I'd guess it's possible that minor injuries occur while theyre running, small tears or hairline fracture, then rupture when stressed just right whether through contact or not.

The running play where Hare sustained his 2016 season ending injury against S. Florida starts at 1:45:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rHgyQ_5g4

He could have gotten tackled like that in the pocket or rolling out to pass. That he happened to get injured on a QB run play is not the significant point. The significant point is that dual-threat QBs are exposed to the usual hits a pocket passer is plus the hits on QB running plays. Plus, QBs are protected by the refs in the pocket; when the QB runs he is treated like any other player running the ball, and becomes fair game. The bottom line is that dual-threat QBs are prone to getting dinged up from taking so many hits both while passing and running, and are susceptible to serious injury simply because of being double-exposed to hits. Clearly, going to Childers and the QB recruits shows this is Carey's preferred system; we have to live with the reality of our QB getting dinged up or more and have the next man up mentality.

(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

It would probably take a large sample size to determine, but I'd guess it's possible that minor injuries occur while theyre running, small tears or hairline fracture, then rupture when stressed just right whether through contact or not.

The running play where Hare sustained his 2016 season ending injury against S. Florida starts at 1:45:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rHgyQ_5g4

He could have gotten tackled like that in the pocket or rolling out to pass. That he happened to get injured on a QB run play is not the significant point. The significant point is that dual-threat QBs are exposed to the usual hits a pocket passer is plus the hits on QB running plays. Plus, QBs are protected by the refs in the pocket; when the QB runs he is treated like any other player running the ball, and becomes fair game. The bottom line is that dual-threat QBs are prone to getting dinged up from taking so many hits both while passing and running, and are susceptible to serious injury simply because of being double-exposed to hits. Clearly, going to Childers and the QB recruits shows this is Carey's preferred system; we have to live with the reality of our QB getting dinged up or more and have the next man up mentality.

I was at that game......horrible game all the way around.

(11-08-2017 04:30 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:37 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  The obsession Carey had with playing Graham, I don't know. Hopefully the important word is "had."

I think Carey believes most of the time his def is good enough to win w/ turning ball over, making good decisions, namely running. I think that's why he turned to Childers. That and in reality to see what he has in him before next year when Hall becomes an option.

I don't see how he keeps everyone happy. But I would be confident Graham is going nowhere, so pleasing him is a mute point. Santa, maybe D2. I think Childers, had he got no time, was definitely not going to stay there.

If I had to guess, Childers is his guy, doing enough to stay starter. He starts turning the ball over, as others said, then that starts the cluster-f. Also if Graham becomes the starter, which I would be shocked to see, even for Rod.

He has started turning the ball over - he had 2 picks against Toledo.

*continues or again

(11-09-2017 11:32 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

It would probably take a large sample size to determine, but I'd guess it's possible that minor injuries occur while theyre running, small tears or hairline fracture, then rupture when stressed just right whether through contact or not.

The running play where Hare sustained his 2016 season ending injury against S. Florida starts at 1:45:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rHgyQ_5g4

He could have gotten tackled like that in the pocket or rolling out to pass. That he happened to get injured on a QB run play is not the significant point. The significant point is that dual-threat QBs are exposed to the usual hits a pocket passer is plus the hits on QB running plays. Plus, QBs are protected by the refs in the pocket; when the QB runs he is treated like any other player running the ball, and becomes fair game. The bottom line is that dual-threat QBs are prone to getting dinged up from taking so many hits both while passing and running, and are susceptible to serious injury simply because of being double-exposed to hits. Clearly, going to Childers and the QB recruits shows this is Carey's preferred system; we have to live with the reality of our QB getting dinged up or more and have the next man up mentality.

I was at that game......horrible game all the way around.

Other than the stadium, I'd rather forget that game also.

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(11-09-2017 11:18 AM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:05 PM)7 Wrote:  whoops, i just looked it up, it was while he was running.

it happens lol

I think the main point though is that running a lot is not what got Hare injured. He wasn't injured by being hit. He could have gotten that injury just from rolling out rather than doing a QB draw.

It would probably take a large sample size to determine, but I'd guess it's possible that minor injuries occur while theyre running, small tears or hairline fracture, then rupture when stressed just right whether through contact or not.

The running play where Hare sustained his 2016 season ending injury against S. Florida starts at 1:45:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rHgyQ_5g4

He could have gotten tackled like that in the pocket or rolling out to pass. That he happened to get injured on a QB run play is not the significant point. The significant point is that dual-threat QBs are exposed to the usual hits a pocket passer is plus the hits on QB running plays. Plus, QBs are protected by the refs in the pocket; when the QB runs he is treated like any other player running the ball, and becomes fair game. The bottom line is that dual-threat QBs are prone to getting dinged up from taking so many hits both while passing and running, and are susceptible to serious injury simply because of being double-exposed to hits. Clearly, going to Childers and the QB recruits shows this is Carey's preferred system; we have to live with the reality of our QB getting dinged up or more and have the next man up mentality.

Maybe, but if you're in the pocket a lot and you get hit, it's hard to defend yourself, especially if hit from behind and you don't see it. If you're running you can at least duck or slide or fend off the hit somewhat. Dual-threat QBs are passing less (or they should be [cough] Carey [cough]) so they take fewer hits that way.