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RE: What is CUSA's preferred/ideal realistic TV deal?
(11-08-2017 09:36 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  A quick look over on the MAC board found this thread........

http://csnbbs.com/thread-831960.html

Do they have ESPN3 only games midweek in the MAC ? If so, ouch.......

the MAC fans are pretty much complaining about everything I just said. Midweek games are bad. not only is the university losing money from ticket sales the community sees a reduced economic impact from the games.
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I guess it was expecting too much to think we could have this discussion without The Holy Warriors of TV Marketing and The Blessed Fondlers of Saint Aresco's Private Parts hijacking it to hell.

. . . because it's not like we haven't already had the conversation that this has turned into a thousand ******* times. You can't say "TeeVee" within a hundred miles of some people without this **** happening.

. . . and because apparently no one knows what tv is or what marketing does but those Knights of Pretentiousness Who Carry Thy Holy Remote Control.
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RE: What is CUSA's preferred/ideal realistic TV deal?
(11-08-2017 09:19 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I guess it was expecting too much to think we could have this discussion without The Holy Warriors of TV Marketing and The Blessed Fondlers of Saint Aresco's Private Parts hijacking it to hell.

. . . because it's not like we haven't already had the conversation that this has turned into a thousand ******* times. You can't say "TeeVee" within a hundred miles of some people without this **** happening.

. . . and because apparently no one knows what tv is or what marketing does but those Knights of Pretentiousness Who Carry Thy Holy Remote Control.

Well, I will own that one. It was I who mentioned them ostensibly drawing them in.

That said, the one thing the AAC does have that kicks our ass is a Commissioner. Things might be a lot better if we had a commissioner of his ilk.
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(11-08-2017 09:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 09:19 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I guess it was expecting too much to think we could have this discussion without The Holy Warriors of TV Marketing and The Blessed Fondlers of Saint Aresco's Private Parts hijacking it to hell.

. . . because it's not like we haven't already had the conversation that this has turned into a thousand ******* times. You can't say "TeeVee" within a hundred miles of some people without this **** happening.

. . . and because apparently no one knows what tv is or what marketing does but those Knights of Pretentiousness Who Carry Thy Holy Remote Control.

Well, I will own that one. It was I who mentioned them ostensibly drawing them in.

That said, the one thing the AAC does have that kicks our ass is a Commissioner. Things might be a lot better if we had a commissioner.

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A C-USA game of the week on Friday on ESPN family (1 or 2 ideally of course), streaming paired with local/regional HD. Throw in as many Saturday games as you can on FS1/CBSSports/NBCSports.
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apparently, life as a "P6 heavyweight" isn't stimulating enough on its own. One of the millenial snowflakes (who seems to post in this forum more than his own) is linking to this thread from On High, aka the AAC forum, in about the most spineless context imaginable.

its not the most dickless move I've seen since forum realignment, but it ranks in the top 5 in gheyness and sheer moral cowardice.

so, just a heads up. we're being watched.
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(11-07-2017 10:30 AM)chidave Wrote:  One thing I like that is happening more this year is local stations are able to produce games that aren't picked up as part of our TV package. If it goes primarily to a stream, I would like to see consolidation (prefer Stadium but could live with ESPN3) instead of now where it is so scattered.

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Why would an exclusive rights deal with Amazon Prime be ideal?

1. Exposure. An exclusive streaming rights deal, despite the fear of the ESPN truthers, offers big time exposure. There are currently an estimated 90 million Prime subscribers, and growing

https://www.statista.com/statistics/5468...g-members/

2. Upside. As previously mentioned, Amazon is only going to get bigger. We can’t say that about ESPN.

3. They want sports content.

http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/ama...201923915/

4. Timeslots. Unlike an ESPN or FOX deal, we woudn’t have to whore ourselves out for midweek or Friday timeslots. I don’t know about the rest of you, but Friday night high school football exists, and a significant portion of our fanbase checks out.

5. Timing. We really have an advantageous opportunity with Amazon looking to acquire sports streaming rights, and no other conference opening up for the next few years. The time is now.

6. Streaming is now a normal part of our culture.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/28/wh...er-levels/

7. We are affordable. Considering we gave up so much value on our last contract negotioations, we’re really a bargain base price. I would imagine a tick up in revenue, but even 1 million dollar per school is much less than what these streaming companies are shelling out for much worse content.

8. A library of content. Think about it, this to me is the best part of a deal with Amazon. You want to go back and watch North Texas vs. Southern Miss? Sure, go ahead, anytime. This is why if a deal would be struck with an Amazon, we would need to be willing to give Amazon those rights.
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At one point, Netflix and both Amazon said they wouldn't enter the live sports market. As I was corrected Amazon has since acquiesced; however, where I wasn't off is that as Amazon looks to expand they are only going to look for "prime" content (pun intended) like MLB, NHL, etc., and if they venture into college football you can bet your ass it won't be anything but power conferences.
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(11-09-2017 08:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  At one point, Netflix and both Amazon said they wouldn't enter the live sports market. As I was corrected Amazon has since acquiesced; however, where I wasn't off is that as Amazon looks to expand they are only going to look for "prime" content (pun intended) like MLB, NHL, etc., and if they venture into college football you can bet your ass it won't be anything but power conferences.

But that's the thing. You believe a deal with an ESPN and the like is realistic. I don't.

Why would ESPN offer anything more than one or two ESPN 2 time slots and a mess of ESPN 3 games? They're flush with content right now.

Amazon has made it clear they want in. They get to try out the kinks with us, then maybe in 3 years when the ACC contract expires pick them up. Most of the big boys as you say are under contract as it is.
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(11-09-2017 08:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 08:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  At one point, Netflix and both Amazon said they wouldn't enter the live sports market. As I was corrected Amazon has since acquiesced; however, where I wasn't off is that as Amazon looks to expand they are only going to look for "prime" content (pun intended) like MLB, NHL, etc., and if they venture into college football you can bet your ass it won't be anything but power conferences.

But that's the thing. You believe a deal with an ESPN and the like is realistic. I don't.

Why would ESPN offer anything more than one or two ESPN 2 time slots and a mess of ESPN 3 games? They're flush with content right now.

Amazon has made it clear they want in. They get to try out the kinks with us, then maybe in 3 years when the ACC contract expires pick them up. Most of the big boys as you say are under contract as it is.

I do believe that - if for no other reason that college football is one of ESPN's primary niches and whether you are talking about Hulu, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc., there is a great deal of reluctance and skepticism about entering these forays. They are absurdly successful without it. Adding live content adds risks to their business model and they have seen what happens to ESPN by overpaying for this content.

Further, ESPN is flush with content on Saturdays. Not necessarily everywhere in the week where we could and should be willing to compromise. They can fill content with ad hock offerings on Thurs and Friday as well as MAC games in Nov on Tues/Wed. Other options exist and the ratings for C-USA games are as good or better to other leagues. No league has Friday night as a dedicated conference-specific day of the week as other conferences have been reluctant to infiltrate high school football on a continual season-long basis. But that is already waning. We've seen double the Friday night games this year than Thursday. If we are willing to give them what they want on that date it is at least something - some leverage. Also, with the decreasing footprint of Thursday night college football due to the NFL, we could also offer Thursday nights as options in the time slot 2 to 3 hours before NFL kicks off. Most conference are not going to be willing to have 5/6 p.m. kickoffs on a Thursday. It's somewhat of a minor concession we could make as opposed to the freaking Tues/Wed games. In other words, there are options where content is not as saturated right now. But the question is do we have the leadership to get us into those conversations? That is the bigger question.
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(11-09-2017 09:03 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 08:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 08:35 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  At one point, Netflix and both Amazon said they wouldn't enter the live sports market. As I was corrected Amazon has since acquiesced; however, where I wasn't off is that as Amazon looks to expand they are only going to look for "prime" content (pun intended) like MLB, NHL, etc., and if they venture into college football you can bet your ass it won't be anything but power conferences.

But that's the thing. You believe a deal with an ESPN and the like is realistic. I don't.

Why would ESPN offer anything more than one or two ESPN 2 time slots and a mess of ESPN 3 games? They're flush with content right now.

Amazon has made it clear they want in. They get to try out the kinks with us, then maybe in 3 years when the ACC contract expires pick them up. Most of the big boys as you say are under contract as it is.

I do believe that - if for no other reason that college football is one of ESPN's primary niches and whether you are talking about Hulu, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc., there is a great deal of reluctance and skepticism about entering these forays. They are absurdly successful without it. Adding live content adds risks to their business model and they have seen what happens to ESPN by overpaying for this content.

Further, ESPN is flush with content on Saturdays. Not necessarily everywhere in the week where we could and should be willing to compromise. They can fill content with ad hock offerings on Thurs and Friday as well as MAC games in Nov on Tues/Wed. Other options exist and the ratings for C-USA games are as good or better to other leagues. No league has Friday night as a dedicated conference-specific day of the week as other conferences have been reluctant to infiltrate high school football on a continual season-long basis. But that is already waning. We've seen double the Friday night games this year than Thursday. If we are willing to give them what they want on that date it is at least something - some leverage. Also, with the decreasing footprint of Thursday night college football due to the NFL, we could also offer Thursday nights as options in the time slot 2 to 3 hours before NFL kicks off. Most conference are not going to be willing to have 5/6 p.m. kickoffs on a Thursday. It's somewhat of a minor concession we could make as opposed to the freaking Tues/Wed games. In other words, there are options where content is not as saturated right now. But the question is do we have the leadership to get us into those conversations? That is the bigger question.

If we had to sell our soul to ESPN, I would prefer setting up Thursday nights as our flagship.

Counter programing to the NFL when, as in most weeks, the NFL matchups are lacking. Also, there's the strong possibility that the NFL abandons Thursdays in its next round of collective bargaining.

So I could see that. I'm not with you though on Friday night football.

I just prefer the upside of an exclusive streaming rights option.
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I can see SilverSpoon conferences signing on with streaming services (in addition to TV deals), and adding to their billions.

And still leaving us in the red.
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I still think NBC and NBC-Sports are the ones CUSA needs to be approaching. I turned on NBC a few weeks ago in the late afternoon just to see what they were showing. While everyone else had college football, they were showing a car auction....for 3 hours. They also have a number of smaller regional sports networks that could be an excellent platform for CUSA schools---especially if you mirror the games on line (maybe via Hulu, which is partially owned by NBC).
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(11-09-2017 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I still think NBC and NBC-Sports are the ones CUSA needs to be approaching. I turned on NBC a few weeks ago in the late afternoon just to see what they were showing. While everyone else had college football, they were showing a car auction....for 3 hours. They also have a number of smaller regional sports networks that could be an excellent platform for CUSA schools---especially if you mirror the games on line (maybe via Hulu, which is partially owned by NBC).

They aren't interested or so I've been told. They have shown both no viable strategy for that particularl network nor have they shown much interest in college football. I can only wonder why but Notre Dame probably has something to do with it.
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(11-09-2017 01:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I still think NBC and NBC-Sports are the ones CUSA needs to be approaching. I turned on NBC a few weeks ago in the late afternoon just to see what they were showing. While everyone else had college football, they were showing a car auction....for 3 hours. They also have a number of smaller regional sports networks that could be an excellent platform for CUSA schools---especially if you mirror the games on line (maybe via Hulu, which is partially owned by NBC).

They aren't interested or so I've been told. They have shown both no viable strategy for that particularl network nor have they shown much interest in college football. I can only wonder why but Notre Dame probably has something to do with it.

They bid for us back in 2013...so I dont know that Notre Dame cares about that. Frankly, Im at a loss to explain NBC's current Saturday programming strategy. Makes no sense to me, especially if you rolled the regional sports networks and Hulu into the football coverage package. Inexplicable. Beyond developing the existing relationships, Raycom would be the only other interesting classic TV option I see for CUSA if NBC is definitely out.
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When should we expect to hear from our conference big wigs about our future tv deal goals/plans?
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(11-09-2017 04:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  When should we expect to hear from our conference big wigs about our future tv deal goals/plans?

No rush. We will probably be charged $100K apiece to have our scores included on the streaming ticker on ESPN.
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(11-09-2017 05:35 PM)Noodles Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 04:58 PM)TTT Wrote:  When should we expect to hear from our conference big wigs about our future tv deal goals/plans?

No rush. We will probably be charged $100K apiece to have our scores included on the streaming ticker on ESPN.

lol. Its funny because it might be true.
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