Guys, covering your eyes and pretending Houston won't leave isn't going to stop it. This Tennessee thing is highly unlikely but it's a bit silly to ban anyone from talking about it.

(11-07-2017 01:21 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Guys, covering your eyes and pretending Houston won't leave isn't going to stop it. This Tennessee thing is highly unlikely but it's a bit silly to ban anyone from talking about it.

If it was me, I would hold out for the Alabama job.

I have no knowledge of anything either way but I expect that the "Mike London Rule" will prevent the hiring of an FCS coach at a P5 school. UVA got burned by not hiring a proven coach that won with his own recruits. I expect that will prevent a top P5 program, like Tennessee, from grabbing a FCS coach as a head coach. That being said, a rule is made to be broken but I am not seeing it just from a logic standpoint.

They already got burned by hiring Butch Jones. Sit down and breathe.

(11-07-2017 01:21 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Guys, covering your eyes and pretending Houston won't leave isn't going to stop it. This Tennessee thing is highly unlikely but it's a bit silly to ban anyone from talking about it.

Thank you, bridgeforthduke. I already said this yesterday, but feel the need to repeat myself. The notion that this thread (or Twitter...or that lousy JMU Nation group...) has any bearing on Houston leaving is comical.

The point of posting the Vol Nation thread was not to debate whether Houston is leaving or not (I think we're all in agreement he is not going there), but rather poke fun at the irrational and self-righteous UT fans who view HCMH as a disastrous potential hire because he coaches at a "small DII school".

I have it on record from a good source that they leave 99.9% of all gates wide open in TN and multiple calls to Ace Hardware in the Knoxville area reveals that they do not even sell locks there. There is a 0% chance that HCMH goes somewhere that doesn't and can't lock their gates. In other news the NYC area has numerous gates and locks and it looks like the Giants may be needing a new coach soon. You heard it here fist...whatever "it" is.

(11-07-2017 01:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I have no knowledge of anything either way but I expect that the "Mike London Rule" will prevent the hiring of an FCS coach at a P5 school. UVA got burned by not hiring a proven coach that won with his own recruits. I expect that will prevent a top P5 program, like Tennessee, from grabbing a FCS coach as a head coach. That being said, a rule is made to be broken but I am not seeing it just from a logic standpoint.

I've seen this sentiment around the web a little bit, but I don't buy it. I get the rationale behind it, but the circumstances surrounding London & Houston are extremely different.

London was a career assistant coach for 20 years until he got his first head gig at Richmond, where he was only there 2 years before being hired at UVA. Yeah, he won the NC, but he didn't have the track record of being the head guy.

Houston was a head coach in HS, made the leap as a D-II coordinator and once he got the head job was very successful, helped turn around The Citadel program as HC... all before coming to JMU.

I think if the cultural fit was right, a P5 program would absolutely look at Houston. Despite the protestations of others here, I think any of the NC ACC schools would consider Houston if those positions were to open up in the near future. UNC is probably the least likely of the four to hire an FCS coach, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Houston end up at one of those places.

Tennessee isn't looking to a past hire by Virginia as a basis for what they should or should not do.

(11-07-2017 01:37 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I have no knowledge of anything either way but I expect that the "Mike London Rule" will prevent the hiring of an FCS coach at a P5 school. UVA got burned by not hiring a proven coach that won with his own recruits. I expect that will prevent a top P5 program, like Tennessee, from grabbing a FCS coach as a head coach. That being said, a rule is made to be broken but I am not seeing it just from a logic standpoint.

This mentality from the big time schools always amuses me.
1) The previous coach sucked so bad he needed to be fired.
2) New coach comes in and wins, BUT not with his own recruits.
3) New coach leaves for greener pastures.

In their eyes, the first coach sucked, yet his recruits suddenly were deemed "good" when the new coach started winning. The second coach is still unproven till he has 5 years of his own recruits.....And around & around it goes.

I agree H.U.S.T.L.E. and Wear Purple, but also, don't underestimate the value of those intense pre-game speeches. I know I've said this before but i'm going to say it again: those are absolutely made for TV. you know how when you see one, you might say something like, "I want to run through a brick wall for that guy?" well, so do ADs, recruits, and parents.

Obviously the fact that he has won everywhere he's been, is respectful and well liked, and is young all help him. But don't discount those speeches.

It isn't the Tennessee/Florida type openings we should be concerned about, it's the head coaching positions opened by the guys that take those jobs we should be worried about (Wake Forest, UCF, Memphis, Miss State, App State, etc).

Butch Jones is officially out now so the rumor mill can start getting heated up. Obviously it is wishful thinking but I’m seeing much bigger names associated right now (Gruden/Chip)

(11-07-2017 05:40 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It isn't the Tennessee/Florida type openings we should be concerned about, it's the head coaching positions opened by the guys that take those jobs we should be worried about (Wake Forest, UCF, Memphis, Miss State, App State, etc).

add ODU to the list

(11-12-2017 07:59 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 05:40 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It isn't the Tennessee/Florida type openings we should be concerned about, it's the head coaching positions opened by the guys that take those jobs we should be worried about (Wake Forest, UCF, Memphis, Miss State, App State, etc).

add ODU to the list

Why would you leave Harrisonburg for Old Dirty? Wilder might get fired but's not a better job that being the head coach of JMU.

(11-12-2017 10:03 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Why would you leave Harrisonburg for Old Dirty? Wilder might get fired but's not a better job that being the head coach of JMU.

It's about $150,000 ($375k base vs. $554k base) better and the budget for assistants ($715k vs $1.06M both numbers from 2016) is about 50% higher. The CoL difference puts that at about a 10% raise.

Now, do I think Houston would leave for ODU? No.

And w JMU he can actually earn the performance bonuses

1. It’s FBS, so it’s a step up.
2. Stepping stone to a P5 job.
3. More $$$.
4. School is located in the middle of a recruiting hotbed and has lower admission standards.
5. Has a true fr. QB who has a ton of potential.
6. Gets to coach against ACC coaches every year.
7. Exposure from bowl games > FCS championship games

Remember, MH took a job at the citadel, clearly he would be up for a challenge.

If HCMH coaches next year he would tie his longest run at a single school as a collegiate Head Coach. If we keep him through 19-20 we would be his new record (4 years) as a head coach at the collegiate level. It looks to me like he likes setting records...let's hope so!

(11-12-2017 10:49 PM)White Hall Wrote:  1. It’s FBS, so it’s a step up.
2. Stepping stone to a P5 job.
3. More $$$.
4. School is located in the middle of a recruiting hotbed and has lower admission standards.
5. Has a true fr. QB who has a ton of potential.
6. Gets to coach against ACC coaches every year.
7. Exposure from bowl games > FCS championship games

Remember, MH took a job at the citadel, clearly he would be up for a challenge.

white hall is a SERIOUS Debbie downer based on his past few posts.