18-13.

(11-06-2017 01:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we will have a 15-17 overall record and finish 8th or lower in the AAC.

You're gonna have to list those games because that (no offense) doesn't really make much sense.

Memphis gets six games vs. the putrid combo of Tulane, ECU, and USF and has at least nine OOC home games vs. tomato cans.

That's 13 to 15 wins without even making an effort.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that we were 19-13 last year and should field a roster that's significantly worse on paper.

(11-06-2017 03:17 PM)mairving Wrote:  If you look at the SI college basketball pre-season rankings as a guide Memphis is ranked 156. Memphis is probably better than that but there are too many unknowns. I have listed the SI ranking beside every team.

Sure losses: (1-9)
Bama (21), Louisville (9), @Cincinnati (6), @UCF (28), Cincinnati (6), Wichita State (4), UCF (28), @SMU (63), @UConn (57), @Temple (62)

Probable losses: (1-2)
Houston (56), UConn (57), @Tulsa (105)

Toss ups: (3-2)
NKU (111), Mercer (108), Albany (97), LSU (91), Tulsa (105)

Probable wins: (5-1)
@UAB (165), Samford (118), Tulane (186), @Tulane (186), @ECU (184), ECU (184)

Sure wins: (7-0)
UALR (325), New Orleans (273), Bryant (303), Siena (254), Loyola MD (233), @USF (234), USF (234)

So total record is 17-14.

Worst case is 12-19. Best case 20-11

Most likely range is 15 to 17 wins. If I had to peg myself to a certain number I'd say 16-15.

(11-06-2017 06:38 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:18 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Will fans be encouraged if we are very competitive and lose by five or less on Friday? Like what if it’s a tie game with a minute to play and they make two clutch shots while we miss two. Do we suck because we lost the game? Or are we a good team that came up short?

Just my option but moral victories end after a coach's first year on the job

Pastner's first game was a moral victory. By year two it took a miracle run in the CUSA tournament to get in

I’m not into moral victories. I’m very competitive. I only WIN when I or we WIN. That being said it is possible that two good teams can play, one comes out on top the other takes the L and yet most rational people would consider both teams good.

(11-06-2017 06:34 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  Are we counting moral victories?

Not me. I don’t do that. Never have.

But one could feel encouraged about a well fought game with several players looking very good and still have the loss.

(11-06-2017 04:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  19-12. Lose a couple early that we shouldn't (UAB, Mercer). Win a few late as underdogs (Houston, UConn, UCF).

So after months of incessant arguing about how Tubby is doing a great job and it is nonsense to think we won't be good...you have us losing to every single team on our schedule that has a pulse.

A good but not great team would win 22-23 games playing this schedule. I think we will be below average and I have us at 18 wins. You argue at every turn with anyone that says anything bad about Tubby and predict one more win than I do.

Ridiculous.

(11-06-2017 06:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we will have a 15-17 overall record and finish 8th or lower in the AAC.

You're gonna have to list those games because that (no offense) doesn't really make much sense.

Memphis gets six games vs. the putrid combo of Tulane, ECU, and USF and has at least nine OOC home games vs. tomato cans.

That's 13 to 15 wins without even making an effort.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that we were 19-13 last year and should field a roster that's significantly worse on paper.

(11-06-2017 03:17 PM)mairving Wrote:  If you look at the SI college basketball pre-season rankings as a guide Memphis is ranked 156. Memphis is probably better than that but there are too many unknowns. I have listed the SI ranking beside every team.

Sure losses: (1-9)
Bama (21), Louisville (9), @Cincinnati (6), @UCF (28), Cincinnati (6), Wichita State (4), UCF (28), @SMU (63), @UConn (57), @Temple (62)

Probable losses: (1-2)
Houston (56), UConn (57), @Tulsa (105)

Toss ups: (3-2)
NKU (111), Mercer (108), Albany (97), LSU (91), Tulsa (105)

Probable wins: (5-1)
@UAB (165), Samford (118), Tulane (186), @Tulane (186), @ECU (184), ECU (184)

Sure wins: (7-0)
UALR (325), New Orleans (273), Bryant (303), Siena (254), Loyola MD (233), @USF (234), USF (234)

So total record is 17-14.

Worst case is 12-19. Best case 20-11

Most likely range is 15 to 17 wins. If I had to peg myself to a certain number I'd say 16-15.

Agree. I’m pegging in at 17 wins. If there are no more curbstompings, even 15 wins will be a moral victory for this season, in my estimation.

I am going to say at least 20 wins. This team may not be great but it going to shock some people.

30-1

Loss to Wichita St.

15-16

20 win season coming up. With this schedule anyone with a pulse could pull off 20.

(11-06-2017 06:59 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:34 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  Are we counting moral victories?

Not me. I don’t do that. Never have.

But one could feel encouraged about a well fought game with several players looking very good and still have the loss.

I don't feel that way at all. The only thing that matters this season is to get us to next season. If we win 18 games, lose a lot of close games and play really well the last 10 games, that will be good enough.

It isn't reasonable to expect a team with no D1 experience to be able to close games, execute down the stretch, even really learn the offense or how to play defense the first half of the season.

(11-06-2017 10:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:59 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:34 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  Are we counting moral victories?

Not me. I don’t do that. Never have.

But one could feel encouraged about a well fought game with several players looking very good and still have the loss.

I don't feel that way at all. The only thing that matters this season is to get us to next season. If we win 18 games, lose a lot of close games and play really well the last 10 games, that will be good enough.

It isn't reasonable to expect a team with no D1 experience to be able to close games, execute down the stretch, even really learn the offense or how to play defense the first half of the season.

Seems like, for a change, the two of you are saying the same thing :-).

(11-06-2017 07:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we will have a 15-17 overall record and finish 8th or lower in the AAC.

You're gonna have to list those games because that (no offense) doesn't really make much sense.

Memphis gets six games vs. the putrid combo of Tulane, ECU, and USF and has at least nine OOC home games vs. tomato cans.

That's 13 to 15 wins without even making an effort.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that we were 19-13 last year and should field a roster that's significantly worse on paper.

(11-06-2017 03:17 PM)mairving Wrote:  If you look at the SI college basketball pre-season rankings as a guide Memphis is ranked 156. Memphis is probably better than that but there are too many unknowns. I have listed the SI ranking beside every team.

Sure losses: (1-9)
Bama (21), Louisville (9), @Cincinnati (6), @UCF (28), Cincinnati (6), Wichita State (4), UCF (28), @SMU (63), @UConn (57), @Temple (62)

Probable losses: (1-2)
Houston (56), UConn (57), @Tulsa (105)

Toss ups: (3-2)
NKU (111), Mercer (108), Albany (97), LSU (91), Tulsa (105)

Probable wins: (5-1)
@UAB (165), Samford (118), Tulane (186), @Tulane (186), @ECU (184), ECU (184)

Sure wins: (7-0)
UALR (325), New Orleans (273), Bryant (303), Siena (254), Loyola MD (233), @USF (234), USF (234)

So total record is 17-14.

Worst case is 12-19. Best case 20-11

Most likely range is 15 to 17 wins. If I had to peg myself to a certain number I'd say 16-15.

Agree. I’m pegging in at 17 wins. If there are no more curbstompings, even 15 wins will be a moral victory for this season, in my estimation.

17-14 is my prediction, as well. If we could somehow sneak into the NIT, I would consider it to be a very successful season, considering it’s a total rebuild year.

(11-07-2017 09:14 AM)virgosports Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:59 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:34 PM)Whale of a Guy Wrote:  Are we counting moral victories?

Not me. I don’t do that. Never have.

But one could feel encouraged about a well fought game with several players looking very good and still have the loss.

I don't feel that way at all. The only thing that matters this season is to get us to next season. If we win 18 games, lose a lot of close games and play really well the last 10 games, that will be good enough.

It isn't reasonable to expect a team with no D1 experience to be able to close games, execute down the stretch, even really learn the offense or how to play defense the first half of the season.

Seems like, for a change, the two of you are saying the same thing :-).

The key differences are that he expects us to win more games than me, and I think that if we don't count moral victories, we won't have much to celebrate the first half of the season.

With this group of players, if we are playing Wichita State, Cincinnati and Loserville close, that would be a huge win.

(11-07-2017 09:54 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 07:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:11 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we will have a 15-17 overall record and finish 8th or lower in the AAC.

You're gonna have to list those games because that (no offense) doesn't really make much sense.

Memphis gets six games vs. the putrid combo of Tulane, ECU, and USF and has at least nine OOC home games vs. tomato cans.

That's 13 to 15 wins without even making an effort.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that we were 19-13 last year and should field a roster that's significantly worse on paper.

(11-06-2017 03:17 PM)mairving Wrote:  If you look at the SI college basketball pre-season rankings as a guide Memphis is ranked 156. Memphis is probably better than that but there are too many unknowns. I have listed the SI ranking beside every team.

Sure losses: (1-9)
Bama (21), Louisville (9), @Cincinnati (6), @UCF (28), Cincinnati (6), Wichita State (4), UCF (28), @SMU (63), @UConn (57), @Temple (62)

Probable losses: (1-2)
Houston (56), UConn (57), @Tulsa (105)

Toss ups: (3-2)
NKU (111), Mercer (108), Albany (97), LSU (91), Tulsa (105)

Probable wins: (5-1)
@UAB (165), Samford (118), Tulane (186), @Tulane (186), @ECU (184), ECU (184)

Sure wins: (7-0)
UALR (325), New Orleans (273), Bryant (303), Siena (254), Loyola MD (233), @USF (234), USF (234)

So total record is 17-14.

Worst case is 12-19. Best case 20-11

Most likely range is 15 to 17 wins. If I had to peg myself to a certain number I'd say 16-15.

Agree. I’m pegging in at 17 wins. If there are no more curbstompings, even 15 wins will be a moral victory for this season, in my estimation.

17-14 is my prediction, as well. If we could somehow sneak into the NIT, I would consider it to be a very successful season, considering it’s a total rebuild year.

We have 7 of our top 10 players on the roster that will be gone after next season. I'm not sure how you can classify that as a "rebuild". Seems to me, no matter what we do, we will be rebuilding again soon.

(11-07-2017 10:08 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:54 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 07:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  You're gonna have to list those games because that (no offense) doesn't really make much sense.

Memphis gets six games vs. the putrid combo of Tulane, ECU, and USF and has at least nine OOC home games vs. tomato cans.

That's 13 to 15 wins without even making an effort.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that we were 19-13 last year and should field a roster that's significantly worse on paper.

(11-06-2017 03:17 PM)mairving Wrote:  If you look at the SI college basketball pre-season rankings as a guide Memphis is ranked 156. Memphis is probably better than that but there are too many unknowns. I have listed the SI ranking beside every team.

Sure losses: (1-9)
Bama (21), Louisville (9), @Cincinnati (6), @UCF (28), Cincinnati (6), Wichita State (4), UCF (28), @SMU (63), @UConn (57), @Temple (62)

Probable losses: (1-2)
Houston (56), UConn (57), @Tulsa (105)

Toss ups: (3-2)
NKU (111), Mercer (108), Albany (97), LSU (91), Tulsa (105)

Probable wins: (5-1)
@UAB (165), Samford (118), Tulane (186), @Tulane (186), @ECU (184), ECU (184)

Sure wins: (7-0)
UALR (325), New Orleans (273), Bryant (303), Siena (254), Loyola MD (233), @USF (234), USF (234)

So total record is 17-14.

Worst case is 12-19. Best case 20-11

Most likely range is 15 to 17 wins. If I had to peg myself to a certain number I'd say 16-15.

Agree. I’m pegging in at 17 wins. If there are no more curbstompings, even 15 wins will be a moral victory for this season, in my estimation.

17-14 is my prediction, as well. If we could somehow sneak into the NIT, I would consider it to be a very successful season, considering it’s a total rebuild year.

We have 7 of our top 10 players on the roster that will be gone after next season. I'm not sure how you can classify that as a "rebuild". Seems to me, no matter what we do, we will be rebuilding again soon.

Yea. The Neverending Rebuild boggles the mind. Fans won't come back till it's built. Build it and they will come.

I think I had either 17-14 or 18-13. Does it really matter at that point?

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think I had either 17-14 or 18-13. Does it really matter at that point?

Sacrilege!

In message board reality, every prediction matters.

When a poster is wrong, he may be forced to view an old quote, with a demand to admit his mistake. lol. Tigerscane is the most extreme example of this practice.

The thing to do is apologize in advance for any unintentional or intentional butthurt you might dole out.

Bottom line. It might be prudent to admit all mistakes in advance.

(11-07-2017 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think I had either 17-14 or 18-13. Does it really matter at that point?

Sacrilege!

In message board reality, every prediction matters.

When a poster is wrong, he may be forced to view an old quote, with a demand to admit his mistake. lol. Tigerscane is the most extreme example of this practice.

The thing to do is apologize in advance for any unintentional or intentional butthurt you might dole out.

Bottom line. It might be prudent to admit all mistakes in advance.

Meh, where's this month's copy of Playboy?

(11-07-2017 04:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:15 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think I had either 17-14 or 18-13. Does it really matter at that point?

Sacrilege!

In message board reality, every prediction matters.

When a poster is wrong, he may be forced to view an old quote, with a demand to admit his mistake. lol. Tigerscane is the most extreme example of this practice.

The thing to do is apologize in advance for any unintentional or intentional butthurt you might dole out.

Bottom line. It might be prudent to admit all mistakes in advance.

Meh, where's this month's copy of Playboy?

They are still in print?