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I would like to have seen the backs used more situationaly, Jones as the feature back with Harbison in short yardage and red zone opportunities. They seemed to abruptly go awa y from Harbison after he had some success which I do not understand unless he got banged up.

(11-02-2017 09:45 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  For as long as I can remember, Toledo always threw slants and passes over the middle. After many years, you'd think we'd be prepared for this.


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It's mind boggling, isn't it?

31-14 all time...
Streak 2.

MACC appearances since Toeldo’s Last one...6!

You may get one this year, but right now it’s the only argument we neeeeed!

Childers is not it and will never be it. He is SUPPOSED to put up high caliber numbers against mediocre teams, not get praise for it.

There hasn’t been a legit runner that can take this team to a New Years Six Bowl since Lynch so why do we keep trying to make one? That person has to be recruited and is a Nationally Ranked runner walking in as a freshman.

Play calling is horrible. We run more yards side to side than we ever do vertically. It is mind-boggling. We do not play to the strength of our athletes. We make our athletes play to a system. Toledo is the exact opposite....they know their strengths and they play to them and they will die trying.

I have admired what the men have been able to do under this system but it is the most conservative management I have ever witnessed from a D1 Sports team. I applaud the effort a record this year.

In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

Good job Defense! You have held this team down all year. We knew what Toledo was going to do. We simply couldn’t score with them. I am sure you wanted a better outcome defensively but I will not beat you up over one bad outing.

I am done venting now. Free the real Huskies Players!!!! Unlock the playbook and open it up please damn!!!

(11-03-2017 08:37 AM)Berryb1906 Wrote:  In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

I'm not going to defend the play calling or Childers sub par arm, but our receivers aren't exactly creating much separation. Even when Childers does complete a pass 5+ yards downfield, they're usually well covered. Tears and Blake are decent but neither of them are fast and/or big. Beebe is a good underneath guy...but that doesn't do a ton for you when you don't have anyone that stretches the field.

(11-03-2017 08:41 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:37 AM)Berryb1906 Wrote:  In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

I'm not going to defend the play calling or Childers sub par arm, but our receivers aren't exactly creating much separation. Even when Childers does complete a pass 5+ yards downfield, they're usually well covered. Tears and Blake are decent but neither of them are fast and/or big. Beebe is a good underneath guy...but that doesn't do a ton for you when you don't have anyone that stretches the field.

This is very true. Last night, Toledo's receivers were so open that they could have set up a table and chairs and had a bite to eat before the NIU defender could get to them. It seems that all season our receivers have been well covered. Lack of speed? Lack of decent routes? But, yes, they're not making Childers' job any easier.

(11-03-2017 08:49 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:41 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:37 AM)Berryb1906 Wrote:  In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

I'm not going to defend the play calling or Childers sub par arm, but our receivers aren't exactly creating much separation. Even when Childers does complete a pass 5+ yards downfield, they're usually well covered. Tears and Blake are decent but neither of them are fast and/or big. Beebe is a good underneath guy...but that doesn't do a ton for you when you don't have anyone that stretches the field.

This is very true. Last night, Toledo's receivers were so open that they could have set up a table and chairs and had a bite to eat before the NIU defender could get to them. It seems that all season our receivers have been well covered. Lack of speed? Lack of decent routes? But, yes, they're not making Childers' job any easier.

What you guys fail to understand is coverage. Toledo was in a cov. 2 and cov. 2 man which takes away from WR's being wide open. While we play man most of the game which puts our DB's in a tough situation. Smalls got chewed up most of the game but he had NO help. And unless you get pressure on the QB (which we had none) no DB would be able to cover that long. Toledo was double covering most of our WR's most of the game. Of course a couple of balls that could have been caught by Tears and Beebe would have helped but it was not going to make a difference in that game.

(11-02-2017 09:42 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:22 PM)scottiep12 Wrote:  QB-C-

I thought Childers actually played pretty well in the first half. Made some good throws. I thought the play calling really exposed him.

If he’s not going to be a + runner, which doesn’t seem to be the case, I’m not so sure he’s going to be our guy long term. I don’t see a ton of development from week to week which may be him, may be the staff. I can see him and Santa making big strides in the offseason if the competition is open, but I only sense good not great.

We have seen the movie over the last 15 years. Good QB’s in our system can win 6-9 games. You need the great QB like Harnish or Lynch to go next level. Right now we just don’t have that guy on the roster....praying maybe the exception is Hall.

OL-B

Nice bounce back game after getting handled by EMU. If we would have run the ball like we should have this group may have gotten us a W. Some bad penalties and some pressure was the downside.

RB-A

I thought Jones and Harbison played their asses off. Really like Harbison.

WR-B-

Beebe with a few drops. Could have used them coming up with a big 50/50 ball like Kenny did in the glass bowl in ‘15. Didn’t get that put them tonight.

DL-C

They finally got outplayed. Hopefully a team didn’t figure out a game plan to neutralize Smith. Thought Corcoran played well.

LB-B

They are starting to get into the 2 and 3 deeps and I thought the unit performed well. Jones is a special player. Really glad he chose to be a Huskie.

DB-D+

If you think about it, it took 9 weeks to find a bonafide passing attack on our schedule and you saw some major cracks. Smalls has one to forget. Lurry’s Game is built on his incredible instinct. He’s never been a guy that’s a “lockdown” corner, always been susceptible in 1-on-1 situations. Safeties seemed to be out of position a little too much.

ST-C

Only for Abresch’s block. Hagan was meh. Ference had his worst game. The one good punt was a complete mishit.

Staff-D-

I though they were awful tonight. The playcalling was extremely mind boggling...run...the...damn...ball. Also think they got beat pretty bad in the film room. Toledo had a clear plan to expose a few things and executed it. #Rodstuff. He just is clueless on game management. It’s a joke, really. He’s gonna get a pass for the bounce back and the fact that we have a roster of solid players arhat seem to be playing hard for him, but man he’s the definition of Peter Principle. An online coach promoted to his level of incompetence. He’s been able to just ride the culture and stability of the program and not screw it up. It’s going to be interesting. He’s gonna make it to the end of his contract, but will we renew?

An 7 to 9 win season is nothing to be mad about, but it just sucks that we’be backed up to the point where you don’t “expect” to be at Toledo, you now just h”hope”.

Big ones. One for sure. He has always had the dropseys and now then seem to come more often.

Yeah, it seems all of them have had their moments this year. Winmann dropped a big one that night as well and Tears seems to drop at least one a game. But I will take all 3 of them on my team as they all make big plays at times and no one is perfect at any level.

(11-02-2017 09:22 PM)scottiep12 Wrote:  QB-C-

I thought Childers actually played pretty well in the first half. Made some good throws. I thought the play calling really exposed him.

If he’s not going to be a + runner, which doesn’t seem to be the case, I’m not so sure he’s going to be our guy long term. I don’t see a ton of development from week to week which may be him, may be the staff. I can see him and Santa making big strides in the offseason if the competition is open, but I only sense good not great.

We have seen the movie over the last 15 years. Good QB’s in our system can win 6-9 games. You need the great QB like Harnish or Lynch to go next level. Right now we just don’t have that guy on the roster....praying maybe the exception is Hall.

OL-B

Nice bounce back game after getting handled by EMU. If we would have run the ball like we should have this group may have gotten us a W. Some bad penalties and some pressure was the downside.

RB-A

I thought Jones and Harbison played their asses off. Really like Harbison.

WR-B-

Beebe with a few drops. Could have used them coming up with a big 50/50 ball like Kenny did in the glass bowl in ‘15. Didn’t get that put them tonight.

DL-C

They finally got outplayed. Hopefully a team didn’t figure out a game plan to neutralize Smith. Thought Corcoran played well.

LB-B

They are starting to get into the 2 and 3 deeps and I thought the unit performed well. Jones is a special player. Really glad he chose to be a Huskie.

DB-D+

If you think about it, it took 9 weeks to find a bonafide passing attack on our schedule and you saw some major cracks. Smalls has one to forget. Lurry’s Game is built on his incredible instinct. He’s never been a guy that’s a “lockdown” corner, always been susceptible in 1-on-1 situations. Safeties seemed to be out of position a little too much.

ST-C

Only for Abresch’s block. Hagan was meh. Ference had his worst game. The one good punt was a complete mishit.

Staff-D-

I though they were awful tonight. The playcalling was extremely mind boggling...run...the...damn...ball. Also think they got beat pretty bad in the film room. Toledo had a clear plan to expose a few things and executed it. #Rodstuff. He just is clueless on game management. It’s a joke, really. He’s gonna get a pass for the bounce back and the fact that we have a roster of solid players arhat seem to be playing hard for him, but man he’s the definition of Peter Principle. An online coach promoted to his level of incompetence. He’s been able to just ride the culture and stability of the program and not screw it up. It’s going to be interesting. He’s gonna make it to the end of his contract, but will we renew?

An 7 to 9 win season is nothing to be mad about, but it just sucks that we’be backed up to the point where you don’t “expect” to be at Toledo, you now just h”hope”.

Interesting still no grades for the Bowling Green game. Interesting???

Quote:What you guys fail to understand is coverage. Toledo was in a cov. 2 and cov. 2 man which takes away from WR's being wide open. While we play man most of the game which puts our DB's in a tough situation. Smalls got chewed up most of the game but he had NO help. And unless you get pressure on the QB (which we had none) no DB would be able to cover that long. Toledo was double covering most of our WR's most of the game. Of course a couple of balls that could have been caught by Tears and Beebe would have helped but it was not going to make a difference in that game.

We got to him a few times. I'll give the DB's the benefit of the doubt on plays where Woodside was able to stand tall a good 5 seconds without anyone laying a finger on him, but too many times he was able to find guys open almost instantly after taking the snap.

Also when we had Turdledo backed up on the 1 and they threw that bomb, NIU defender didn't even turn his head around. I've seen that same problem over and over again this season. Its like instead of thinking: "I'm going to go up and deflect this pass" the universal mentality is: "OK I'm just going to make sure I tackle the WR after he catches it."

(11-03-2017 10:33 AM)Bears85 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:49 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:41 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:37 AM)Berryb1906 Wrote:  In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

I'm not going to defend the play calling or Childers sub par arm, but our receivers aren't exactly creating much separation. Even when Childers does complete a pass 5+ yards downfield, they're usually well covered. Tears and Blake are decent but neither of them are fast and/or big. Beebe is a good underneath guy...but that doesn't do a ton for you when you don't have anyone that stretches the field.

This is very true. Last night, Toledo's receivers were so open that they could have set up a table and chairs and had a bite to eat before the NIU defender could get to them. It seems that all season our receivers have been well covered. Lack of speed? Lack of decent routes? But, yes, they're not making Childers' job any easier.

What you guys fail to understand is coverage. Toledo was in a cov. 2 and cov. 2 man which takes away from WR's being wide open. While we play man most of the game which puts our DB's in a tough situation. Smalls got chewed up most of the game but he had NO help. And unless you get pressure on the QB (which we had none) no DB would be able to cover that long. Toledo was double covering most of our WR's most of the game. Of course a couple of balls that could have been caught by Tears and Beebe would have helped but it was not going to make a difference in that game.

So why not change your coverage when you are constantly getting beat?
Do we have that ability or is this all we have?

(11-03-2017 01:36 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 10:33 AM)Bears85 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:49 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:41 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:37 AM)Berryb1906 Wrote:  In short.....GET THE DAMN BALL UP THE FIELD!!! I am sick of watching someone’s numbers running side to side.

I'm not going to defend the play calling or Childers sub par arm, but our receivers aren't exactly creating much separation. Even when Childers does complete a pass 5+ yards downfield, they're usually well covered. Tears and Blake are decent but neither of them are fast and/or big. Beebe is a good underneath guy...but that doesn't do a ton for you when you don't have anyone that stretches the field.

This is very true. Last night, Toledo's receivers were so open that they could have set up a table and chairs and had a bite to eat before the NIU defender could get to them. It seems that all season our receivers have been well covered. Lack of speed? Lack of decent routes? But, yes, they're not making Childers' job any easier.

What you guys fail to understand is coverage. Toledo was in a cov. 2 and cov. 2 man which takes away from WR's being wide open. While we play man most of the game which puts our DB's in a tough situation. Smalls got chewed up most of the game but he had NO help. And unless you get pressure on the QB (which we had none) no DB would be able to cover that long. Toledo was double covering most of our WR's most of the game. Of course a couple of balls that could have been caught by Tears and Beebe would have helped but it was not going to make a difference in that game.

So why not change your coverage when you are constantly getting beat?
Do we have that ability or is this all we have?

Great question!!