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RE: Mid-Major Top 25 (2017-18)
(02-07-2018 09:33 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:15 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 09:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  And, seems they all left for the money. Don’t recall them capturing many championships at their new places after leaving ETSU. One would obviously want to sign a substantial $$$ contract in case the winning ceases. Seems winning on the level of a Steve Forbes at a mid-major school would be hard to walk away from unless one was going to a committed higher level basketball school with a winning tradition. There are some real bad power 5 programs out there with the money to outbid ETSU. Be careful, coach.

Robinson and DeChellis went to their alma maters. I can’t fault them for that no matter the money situation.


And we are faulting them for leaving for money? Really?
Damn straight he can earn more in that 4-5 year contract at a Power 5 school >Years at ETSU.
Case in point Kevin Keatts was making 600K (Much more than Forbes)at UNC-W.
He signed a 6 year deal at NC State for 2.2 million a year. What he will earn at NC State in 6 years would have taken 22 at UNC-W.
Even if they fail most can fall back to the Mid Major level and get a job.
DeChellis, Left ETSU for Penn St (Didn't get fired but left probably right before being fired) ended up at Navy making a lot more then Forbes.

So someone shouldn't believe in their ability and take on a new challenge?(For a hell of a lot more money)
Not sure I would want a coach in didn't believe himself enough to try and prove himself on a bigger stage.

You messed up the quoting so I don't know if you directed that to me or not.

When a school offers you life changing money, you should take it, but sometimes waiting a year or two to get what you want makes more sense. Would he take a job like Ole Miss if he thought Iowa opens up in a year or so? My point was that DeChellis and Robinson left for, in their minds, the right job. Their dream job. They didn't just "chase the money". Not that anything is wrong with that. Just pointing out that they left for more than just money.

So no I don't fault anyone for leaving for that kind of money but sometimes waiting to leave for the right job AND more money can happen.

Actually Buc66 I think.
But nothing is certain. are you sure the Iowa job will open up?
What happens if he misses on a couple of players/ injuries next year
and has a bad season? Forbes isn't getting any younger, can he afford to
wait for the perfect job.
Besides if he goes to Ole Miss and Iowa opens up he could always make that jump.
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(02-07-2018 10:10 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:33 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:15 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 09:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  And, seems they all left for the money. Don’t recall them capturing many championships at their new places after leaving ETSU. One would obviously want to sign a substantial $$$ contract in case the winning ceases. Seems winning on the level of a Steve Forbes at a mid-major school would be hard to walk away from unless one was going to a committed higher level basketball school with a winning tradition. There are some real bad power 5 programs out there with the money to outbid ETSU. Be careful, coach.

Robinson and DeChellis went to their alma maters. I can’t fault them for that no matter the money situation.


And we are faulting them for leaving for money? Really?
Damn straight he can earn more in that 4-5 year contract at a Power 5 school >Years at ETSU.
Case in point Kevin Keatts was making 600K (Much more than Forbes)at UNC-W.
He signed a 6 year deal at NC State for 2.2 million a year. What he will earn at NC State in 6 years would have taken 22 at UNC-W.
Even if they fail most can fall back to the Mid Major level and get a job.
DeChellis, Left ETSU for Penn St (Didn't get fired but left probably right before being fired) ended up at Navy making a lot more then Forbes.

So someone shouldn't believe in their ability and take on a new challenge?(For a hell of a lot more money)
Not sure I would want a coach in didn't believe himself enough to try and prove himself on a bigger stage.

You messed up the quoting so I don't know if you directed that to me or not.

When a school offers you life changing money, you should take it, but sometimes waiting a year or two to get what you want makes more sense. Would he take a job like Ole Miss if he thought Iowa opens up in a year or so? My point was that DeChellis and Robinson left for, in their minds, the right job. Their dream job. They didn't just "chase the money". Not that anything is wrong with that. Just pointing out that they left for more than just money.

So no I don't fault anyone for leaving for that kind of money but sometimes waiting to leave for the right job AND more money can happen.

Actually Buc66 I think.
But nothing is certain. are you sure the Iowa job will open up?
What happens if he misses on a couple of players/ injuries next year
and has a bad season? Forbes isn't getting any younger, can he afford to
wait for the perfect job.
Besides if he goes to Ole Miss and Iowa opens up he could always make that jump.

I don't disagree. Nothing is certain so when a big job opens up it is difficult to turn down even if it's not their perfect job. I was just pointing out that DeChellis and Robinson were able to get both. That is ideally how you want to lose your coach.

My hope is that he believes the Iowa or whatever job he really wants will open up after next year and he is here 1 more year and is able to bring in a couple of good jucos and freshmen to leave the next guy with.
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Can we also pour a tall one for Delaware State? The only team to be winless in 2017-2018, (0-23) and probably killing our stats.
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(02-07-2018 12:26 PM)ekxixis1984 Wrote:  Can we also pour a tall one for Delaware State? The only team to be winless in 2017-2018, (0-23) and probably killing our stats.

Yep, currently ranked dead last in both Kenpom and RPI. Thanks a lot guys!
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RE: Mid-Major Top 25 (2017-18)
(02-07-2018 12:41 PM)Bucster Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 12:26 PM)ekxixis1984 Wrote:  Can we also pour a tall one for Delaware State? The only team to be winless in 2017-2018, (0-23) and probably killing our stats.

Yep, currently ranked dead last in both Kenpom and RPI. Thanks a lot guys!

They did beat "Cairn" and "Georgian Court" (and no, I've not heard of either one of those, either); and only lost to Pitt by 6.
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Louisiana falls tonight. Bucs should move up if they take care of VMI Saturday.
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RE: Mid-Major Top 25 (2017-18)
(02-07-2018 09:15 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 09:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  And, seems they all left for the money. Don’t recall them capturing many championships at their new places after leaving ETSU. One would obviously want to sign a substantial $$$ contract in case the winning ceases. Seems winning on the level of a Steve Forbes at a mid-major school would be hard to walk away from unless one was going to a committed higher level basketball school with a winning tradition. There are some real bad power 5 programs out there with the money to outbid ETSU. Be careful, coach.

Robinson and DeChellis went to their alma maters. I can’t fault them for that no matter the money situation.

And we are faulting them for leaving for money? Really?
Damn straight he can earn more in that 4-5 year contract at a Power 5 school >Years at ETSU.
Case in point Kevin Keatts was making 600K (Much more than Forbes)at UNC-W.
He signed a 6 year deal at NC State for 2.2 million a year. What he will earn at NC State in 6 years would have taken 22 at UNC-W.
Even if they fail most can fall back to the Mid Major level and get a job.
DeChellis, Left ETSU for Penn St (Didn't get fired but left probably right before being fired) ended up at Navy making a lot more then Forbes.

So someone shouldn't believe in their ability and take on a new challenge?(For a hell of a lot more money)
Not sure I would want a coach in didn't believe in himself enough to try and prove himself on a bigger stage.
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FYI - There is no - in UNCW.
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(02-09-2018 01:49 PM)Jpbritta Wrote:  FYI - There is no - in UNCW.

So is it UNC,W then?
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(02-09-2018 01:49 PM)Jpbritta Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:15 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 09:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  And, seems they all left for the money. Don’t recall them capturing many championships at their new places after leaving ETSU. One would obviously want to sign a substantial $$$ contract in case the winning ceases. Seems winning on the level of a Steve Forbes at a mid-major school would be hard to walk away from unless one was going to a committed higher level basketball school with a winning tradition. There are some real bad power 5 programs out there with the money to outbid ETSU. Be careful, coach.

Robinson and DeChellis went to their alma maters. I can’t fault them for that no matter the money situation.

And we are faulting them for leaving for money? Really?
Damn straight he can earn more in that 4-5 year contract at a Power 5 school >Years at ETSU.
Case in point Kevin Keatts was making 600K (Much more than Forbes)at UNC-W.
He signed a 6 year deal at NC State for 2.2 million a year. What he will earn at NC State in 6 years would have taken 22 at UNC-W.
Even if they fail most can fall back to the Mid Major level and get a job.
DeChellis, Left ETSU for Penn St (Didn't get fired but left probably right before being fired) ended up at Navy making a lot more then Forbes.

So someone shouldn't believe in their ability and take on a new challenge?(For a hell of a lot more money)
Not sure I would want a coach in didn't believe in himself enough to try and prove himself on a bigger stage.

FYI - There is no - in UNCW.
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Wow. thanks for that great contribution, I can see why your rep is in red. Geez U-N-C-g
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Gonzaga and St. Mary’s play tonight at 10 PM on ESPN2. If the zags win, ETSU has the longest win streak in division one. Virginia would be tied, but they are down at half to Virginia Tech.


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Virginia loses, so their streak does not extend to 16.
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(02-09-2018 04:07 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 01:49 PM)Jpbritta Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 09:15 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 09:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  And, seems they all left for the money. Don’t recall them capturing many championships at their new places after leaving ETSU. One would obviously want to sign a substantial $$$ contract in case the winning ceases. Seems winning on the level of a Steve Forbes at a mid-major school would be hard to walk away from unless one was going to a committed higher level basketball school with a winning tradition. There are some real bad power 5 programs out there with the money to outbid ETSU. Be careful, coach.

Robinson and DeChellis went to their alma maters. I can’t fault them for that no matter the money situation.

And we are faulting them for leaving for money? Really?
Damn straight he can earn more in that 4-5 year contract at a Power 5 school >Years at ETSU.
Case in point Kevin Keatts was making 600K (Much more than Forbes)at UNC-W.
He signed a 6 year deal at NC State for 2.2 million a year. What he will earn at NC State in 6 years would have taken 22 at UNC-W.
Even if they fail most can fall back to the Mid Major level and get a job.
DeChellis, Left ETSU for Penn St (Didn't get fired but left probably right before being fired) ended up at Navy making a lot more then Forbes.

So someone shouldn't believe in their ability and take on a new challenge?(For a hell of a lot more money)
Not sure I would want a coach in didn't believe in himself enough to try and prove himself on a bigger stage.

FYI - There is no - in UNCW.

Wow. thanks for that great contribution, I can see why your rep is in red. Geez U-N-C-g
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Rep is in red because those on this forum didn’t like when I was trying to let you all know that UNCG had the Bier Garden already reserved in Asheville last year. It was more of a “We’ll show him” thing.

As the UNCW thing I was just clarifying. More of a just letting you know. What you know as Carolina or Chapel Hill is The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill so they’re actually UNCCH and not just “UNC”. They however like to use that moniker and it’s a pain point for all the others. UNCA, UNCC, UNCP, UNCW, and UNCG are not braches of UNCCH. The state of North Carolina just decided to name a bunch of the public universities with “UNC” for whatever reason. UNCW and the others have the same relation to Chapel Hill as NC State does. I like reading you guys board and since I graduated from UNCG and live in NC I thought I would explain because it’s typically confusing for those outside of the state. It is however why a lot of the schools have talked about changing their names which just shows how big of a frustration it really is.
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I am afraid our streak ends Monday. Just a feeling.

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St Marys loses. Hello #1 streak in college basketball.
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It's official. ETSU has the longest win streak in DI. 16 games.
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(02-11-2018 01:08 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  St Marys loses. Hello #1 streak in college basketball.

......for less than 48 hours??

(If the previous regime was still in charge, we might hang a banner for that.)
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So.............is Obi-Rapu in the doghouse, or it's just a matter of Forbes narrowing the rotation by one to eliminate a variable? Likely the latter, I'm guessing.
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(02-11-2018 01:52 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  So.............is Obi-Rapu in the doghouse, or it's just a matter of Forbes narrowing the rotation by one to eliminate a variable? Likely the latter, I'm guessing.

His defense is not as good as Long and Payne is a better shooter and Williams(his time has gone down as well) is a better distributor. Where does he take minutes from those 3? That doesn't even factor in Bradford and McCloud. Right now his only strength is his shooting and we have better who can do other stuff as well.
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(02-11-2018 08:18 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 01:52 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  So.............is Obi-Rapu in the doghouse, or it's just a matter of Forbes narrowing the rotation by one to eliminate a variable? Likely the latter, I'm guessing.

His defense is not as good as Long and Payne is a better shooter and Williams(his time has gone down as well) is a better distributor. Where does he take minutes from those 3? That doesn't even factor in Bradford and McCloud. Right now his only strength is his shooting and we have better who can do other stuff as well.

While I don't disagree with any of that, I don't think......none of it is news that wasn't known a month or so ago. (And who's defense *is* as good as Long's?) Forbes continually touts our "depth", and yet has sliced a point off of that. And actually, now that I look....his 3-pt. percentage is slightly higher than Payne's - and only slightly behind McCloud's. Our leader in that stat continues to be Williams (51.3% [55.6% in conference]), followed by Jurkin (42.9%). And yes, McCloud's percentage has risen in-conference.

I'm not questioning the decision - unless it leads to lesser confidence by Obi-Rapu when he's needed - I'm just wondering. And I further wonder if whatever his reasoning is, if it's the same as not playing Reppart and Overstreet in the closing minutes of the semi-blowout of Chatt - after their successful stint against Samford?

I'm not generally big on questioning a coach's PT decisions........but I *am* a big fan of keeping all the knives in your drawer sharp for when needed.
Too bad we don't have a true reporter that will ask those kinds of questions.
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(02-11-2018 12:21 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 08:18 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 01:52 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  So.............is Obi-Rapu in the doghouse, or it's just a matter of Forbes narrowing the rotation by one to eliminate a variable? Likely the latter, I'm guessing.

His defense is not as good as Long and Payne is a better shooter and Williams(his time has gone down as well) is a better distributor. Where does he take minutes from those 3? That doesn't even factor in Bradford and McCloud. Right now his only strength is his shooting and we have better who can do other stuff as well.

While I don't disagree with any of that, I don't think......none of it is news that wasn't known a month or so ago. (And who's defense *is* as good as Long's?) Forbes continually touts our "depth", and yet has sliced a point off of that. And actually, now that I look....his 3-pt. percentage is slightly higher than Payne's - and only slightly behind McCloud's. Our leader in that stat continues to be Williams (51.3% [55.6% in conference]), followed by Jurkin (42.9%). And yes, McCloud's percentage has risen in-conference.

I'm not questioning the decision - unless it leads to lesser confidence by Obi-Rapu when he's needed - I'm just wondering. And I further wonder if whatever his reasoning is, if it's the same as not playing Reppart and Overstreet in the closing minutes of the semi-blowout of Chatt - after their successful stint against Samford?

I'm not generally big on questioning a coach's PT decisions........but I *am* a big fan of keeping all the knives in your drawer sharp for when needed.
Too bad we don't have a true reporter that will ask those kinds of questions.

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