(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

Not asking for a handout, but who decides who is "top-8"? A kangaroo court made up of P5 ADs and former ND coaches?
If it was based on a combo of true computer polls (not biased by preseason rankings) and AP voters, then I'm all in on the "top-8" criteria.

(10-29-2017 09:29 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If this gets shot down by the SEC, B1G, and ACC; I think it will lead to the Texahoma 4 going to the new Pac-16. That would have massive ramifications for the American of course.

Only thing it means is that will restructure the remaining 4 conferences into 16 team conferences and become the P4. That will let them get all 4 conference champs and division winners in the playoffs.

The teams that make up the current P5 are NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, going to share the playoffs and the payout with anyone else other than what money they share now.

We have basically been waiting for an 8 team playoff to get our slot. So long as undefeated AAC teams won't get in due to SOS... Then you either reserve 1 of the 8 slots for the AAC/G5... or the P5 separate. It's that simple.

Unless everyone wants to continue the farce of a 10 team FBS with 'separate but equal'...

(10-31-2017 10:21 AM)Bull Wrote:  We have basically been waiting for an 8 team playoff to get our slot. So long as undefeated AAC teams won't get in due to SOS... Then you either reserve 1 of the 8 slots for the AAC/G5... or the P5 separate. It's that simple.

Unless everyone wants to continue the farce of a 10 team FBS with 'separate but equal'...

I’d be fine with top 8 IF—

The selection committee was revamped so it became a 10 member 1-conference-one-vote panel. If every FBS conference had one representative on the panel, then I would be fine with a top 8 because the primary impediment to a G5 ever being considered as a playoff team (P5 bias) would be removed (or at least balanced).

The problem with the current system is the entire selection committee (save maybe one member) are all representatives from P5 conferences. I don’t know if they are unethical—they likely are not. I do think they truly believe that no G5 could possibly be a top 10 team (much less top 4or 8). Because that mind set is the same with most every committee member—you will never see such a committee put a G5 team in the play off. Hell—just last year they put a 4 loss Auburn in front of undefeated G5 with 2 P5 wins. That undefeated G5 came in at #15—nowhere close to getting in the top 10. Undefeated—yet behind 14 P5 teams? That kind of committtee will never put a G5 in the top 8.

You have to reform the committee structure if you want to go with a straight top 8. Otherwise, 5 P5 champs are AQ, the top G5 champ is AQ, and 2 wild cards.

I'm not sure what you need a selection committee for, when it's an 8 team playoff.
P5s will dictate 5 slots as their conference champs.
G5s should get 1 slot.

So the committee would be for what? Deciding the G5? Does ND/BYU get in or not? Their job would be to pick 2 at large. Just leave that to the AP.

(10-31-2017 09:08 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

Not asking for a handout, but who decides who is "top-8"? A kangaroo court made up of P5 ADs and former ND coaches?
If it was based on a combo of true computer polls (not biased by preseason rankings) and AP voters, then I'm all in on the "top-8" criteria.

It may be a bit biased, but I'm not going to pretend like we regularly produce top 8 teams that are being slighted. From top to bottom, the other 4 conferences are currently better than us, and SOS shows it. If that weren't the case, then 3-4 UConn wouldn't have gotten destroyed by 2-5 Missouri.

If the other conference champions will always trump us, that's fine with me. All I want is a shot at getting to #8. Any kind of handicap would just make us look worse.

(10-31-2017 10:56 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  It may be a bit biased, but I'm not going to pretend like we regularly produce top 8 teams that are being slighted. From top to bottom, the other 4 conferences are currently better than us, and SOS shows it. If that weren't the case, then 3-4 UConn wouldn't have gotten destroyed by 2-5 Missouri.

If the other conference champions will always trump us, that's fine with me. All I want is a shot at getting to #8. Any kind of handicap would just make us look worse.

We've been the AAC since 2013.
2013 - UCF handily beats the Baylor (the B12 champ) in the Fiesta bowl.
2014 - Down year / parity
2015 - UH handily beats FSU (#9 CFP poll) in Peach bowl
2016 - Down year / parity

I'd say 2 out of 4 years we've had a worthy top8 team, that would have been shut out.

(10-29-2017 09:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  the AAC can get to 8 with no ties.

and aresco is the one who negotiated the ny6 spot...if its by conference champion i feel confident in him getting the aac or g5 a slot

Even if they chose to expand the NCAA Football 8-Team Play-off, I don't think that the AAC would get one of those slots without a better TV Contract. Until the AAC can separate itself from the rest of the G5 financially, we would be hard pressed to expect a guaranteed slot in NCAA National Championship Play-Off.

They may throw the highest ranked G5 a spot, if the give auto-bids to P5 Champions. I suspect it will be more of the same if they make a change ... "Top 8 Teams."

If we won't to have a legitimate chance of getting a team in that conversation consistently, WE NEED A BETTER TV CONTRACT WHICH WILL LEAD TO BETTER NON-PLAYOFF BOWL INVITATIONS ... !

(10-30-2017 05:54 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I am surprised you guys are worried about Uconn and Temple. Uconn was just obliterated by the worst Missouri team in the past 20 seasons, and Temple doesn't score any points. UCF should win both those games by five scores.

The margin between good and bad football teams is slim. We show up with no energy or physicality and UCONN/Temple do, we can easily lose a game.

Thus, I consider every game. Clemson had no business worrying about Syracuse, and yet...

(10-30-2017 08:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 04:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Looks like you are using the final rankings. The highest CFP ranking for a non-P5 for ANY week was Memphis at #13 (8-0) in the first week of the CFP in 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA_...l_rankings

What is it with Memphis fans and their mid-season rankings?

I kid, I kid. I know the point you're making, but considering how hard it is to finish a season undefeated, looking at end of year rankings is more valuable than partial-season rankings. UCF itself has three games that could easily result in losses, and trap games in UCONN and Temple. Winning out would be a herculean task, but if it happens we'll see what the committee really thinks of the AAC.

Haha, I knew it. Just couldn't let that pass. It sounded so definite, lol. You have to take credit where you can. Nobody else gonna do it.

Thought you'd get a kick out of that one, lol.

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

(10-31-2017 08:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

agree completely... so long as its votes, it will never be fair... something needs to change.

(10-31-2017 08:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

Another reason for the "no way to earn" a playoff spot is that the top half of the P-5 (at least those who have some hope of being competitive in their conferences) are increasingly refusing to play the AAC schools. Meaning, don't play them & then the AAC has no means of saying they belong.

(10-31-2017 10:56 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:08 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

Not asking for a handout, but who decides who is "top-8"? A kangaroo court made up of P5 ADs and former ND coaches?
If it was based on a combo of true computer polls (not biased by preseason rankings) and AP voters, then I'm all in on the "top-8" criteria.

It may be a bit biased, but I'm not going to pretend like we regularly produce top 8 teams that are being slighted. From top to bottom, the other 4 conferences are currently better than us, and SOS shows it. If that weren't the case, then 3-4 UConn wouldn't have gotten destroyed by 2-5 Missouri.

If the other conference champions will always trump us, that's fine with me. All I want is a shot at getting to #8. Any kind of handicap would just make us look worse.

It’s not a handicap. Basically, the 65 non-P5 schools are being treated as one huge conference. If the access bowl has proven anything—it’s that the team that emerges as the top G5 champ is more often than not completely capable of playing head to head with top P5 teams. There will be years when the top G5 school isn’t all that great. So what? There will be years when the Big10 champ kinda sucks. If you win your conference—you won your way to playoff fair and square. The 2 wildcards are the outside the guardrails second chance way to make the playoff—not the conference champs.

(10-31-2017 08:41 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

agree completely... so long as its votes, it will never be fair... something needs to change.

It’s P5 bias and a stacked committee. Until the structure of the committee is one rep from each conference—the committee ranking with respect to the G5 will be a farce.

(11-01-2017 01:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:41 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

agree completely... so long as its votes, it will never be fair... something needs to change.

It’s P5 bias and a stacked committee. Until the structure of the committee is one rep from each conference—the committee ranking with respect to the G5 will be a farce.

Exactly, the only point I was trying to make yesterday is that the G5 need to demand either an autobid or a refactoring of the committee to be BCS like (computers, AP voters, etc)

Anyone who points at an old BCS ranking to prove that a G5 could get in an 8 team playoff, doesn't understand the current system.

Dr. David Rudd (President of the University of Memphis) made the below tweet after concern was expressed that schools like Memphis will never have an opportunity to compete for the NC.

Quote:irritates me enough to actively take up the cause. We've got a plan. We're working it. And we'll make progress. Stick with us.

I infer from his tweet that he and others are pushing a plan to expand FBS playoff opportunities (like NCAA FCS, D-2, and D-3 levels).

(10-31-2017 08:31 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Per Brett McMurphy. Hope this happens but this might mean just the top eight rated teams -- which isn't good news for even undefeated G5 teams like UCF who still are forced to play weak in-conference teams. Just have to wonder if the G5s have enough collective pull to make any difference in the outcome here? Let's hope.

I don't want to be that guy, but I don't think we need to have a consolation spot in the playoff. If we want to be in it, we need to produce a top-8 team. It's not fair to the actual #8 that gets left out for a #15 from our conference. Earn that poo.

So, now we've seen the playoff committee put UCF at #18, behind three 2 loss P5s. UCF, who has won every game by double digits and on average by over 3 scores I believe.
Given UCFs victory margin and the fact that they've already played some of the best teams in the AAC, what exactly would a #8 rated team from the AAC look like? Drop 70-80 on everyone, while shutting them out?
There is no way to "earn" a playoff spot from the committee.

A #8 AAC team is A) undefeated and B) has wins over 1 or 2 STILL ranked OOC opponents. UCF has beaten Maryland, who is not on the radar. They also didn't end up playing GT, who also isn't on the radar.

Houston week 6 last year (after a win over a #3 ranked Oklahoma) was sitting at 6. If they hadn't lost in conference, beating #5 Louisville would have only helped.

Let's say they get to #5 with the Louisville win. As an undefeated conference champ, I don't even think the shuffle of the other 4 conferences championship games would push them lower than 8th. Boom, we have a team in the playoff.

Moral of the story:
A) Schedule tougher opponents
B) Don't lose...to anyone
and C) Stop wishing for a auto-bid

(10-29-2017 09:42 PM)fanhood Wrote:  I think his tweet was a joke, as it is possible both the Pac and B1G get shut out this year.

If Clemson loses to NC State the ACC probably gets shut out as Miami is generally regarded as a fraud and probably will lose at least one game even if they win their division.

(10-30-2017 06:58 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:55 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  **** it... give me #8. We want Bama!

Esp when ALA is 0 for against us. We own Bama..

Well that means ECU owns Boise and TCU then. I like it.

All five P5 CCG winners plus top rated G5 and then 2 top rated P5 that did not win CCG as at large participants. 8 team playoff. Takes 7 games. Incorporate all NY6 bowls plus the NC game.

Guaranteed to have the top 4-5 teams as the two at large positions can be used to scoop up CCG teams that lost in an upset OR if two top 4-5 teams had to play each other in a CCG.