I'm happy for them. Winning: better than losing (from the gospel of Ebbie Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh).

(10-29-2017 02:22 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 10:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If Kiffen wasnt a gigantic piece of **** it would be easier to be happy about it.

Everyone knows he'll leave FAU as quick as a P5 offer comes his way, the question is will he stay for a 2nd season? FAU does have a solid assistant to take over who may stay for several season keeping them strong for a while.

Any of your coaches would leave in a second for a p5 job. I don't know why people keep bringing this up as a negative ..

I'd rather have a coach people want. It means we are doing well

It's a lot of sour grapes. People loved to say fau and fiu didn't belong which was always bogus. Now since they are turning it around it's something else negative to try to crap on our excitement

It won't work. But glad people are searching for ways to slam now

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Nobody knows where middle Tennessee is even located outside of cusa fans or hardcore college fans.

You guys acting like you are in a higher class are hilarious. We started our program from scratch 17 years ago. It takes time to build

(10-29-2017 10:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If Kiffen wasnt a gigantic piece of **** it would be easier to be happy about it.

^ This. I really don't like that guy.

(10-29-2017 02:22 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 10:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If Kiffen wasnt a gigantic piece of **** it would be easier to be happy about it.

Everyone knows he'll leave FAU as quick as a P5 offer comes his way, the question is will he stay for a 2nd season? FAU does have a solid assistant to take over who may stay for several season keeping them strong for a while.

I'd expect an NCAA investigation and sanctions, before a P5 shows up for him. I think Kiffin is dirty.

Let the hate flow. Rather have people hoping for things rather than the bogus acting like they are in another class rhetoric

I'm glad for both programs but I reserve the right to make merry at their expenses if the Shula Bowl is played for the East Division title but before a crowd of 12,000.

(10-29-2017 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:22 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 10:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If Kiffen wasnt a gigantic piece of **** it would be easier to be happy about it.

Everyone knows he'll leave FAU as quick as a P5 offer comes his way, the question is will he stay for a 2nd season? FAU does have a solid assistant to take over who may stay for several season keeping them strong for a while.

Any of your coaches would leave in a second for a p5 job. I don't know why people keep bringing this up as a negative ..

I'd rather have a coach people want. It means we are doing well

It's a lot of sour grapes. People loved to say fau and fiu didn't belong which was always bogus. Now since they are turning it around it's something else negative to try to crap on our excitement

It won't work. But glad people are searching for ways to slam now

We listened to it about Brohm after every game we won. Hell, we heard it about Petrino when we signed him to coach.

It’s haters hating. That’s what they do. If they were tree surgeons they’d be out cutting limbs off trees. But they’re haters. Lol.

I gave kudos to BOTH Flarda schools in the offseason on their hires. Both hires are doing their best to make the folks that hired them look good right now.

No Western fan would ever give FAU shitt over hiring Lane after we hire Petrino. Which I was ALL IN for. We listened to hate, hate, hate after we hired him. We got more press out of hiring Petrino than the haters school’s had accrued in their entire history. FAU is riding the Lane Train as long as it lasts. Just enjoy.

Btw, any chance with McElwain fired the folks up in Gainesville look south? That’s not me hating either. I just think he’d be a great fit.

I've heard Dan Mullen the most for UF. A lot of their fans want Frost but think he will go back to Nebraska. If I were Frost ,I'd go to UF

Now if Mullen goes to uf, Kiffin could work at miss st or ole miss

(10-29-2017 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:22 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 10:03 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If Kiffen wasnt a gigantic piece of **** it would be easier to be happy about it.

Everyone knows he'll leave FAU as quick as a P5 offer comes his way, the question is will he stay for a 2nd season? FAU does have a solid assistant to take over who may stay for several season keeping them strong for a while.

Any of your coaches would leave in a second for a p5 job. I don't know why people keep bringing this up as a negative ..

I'd rather have a coach people want. It means we are doing well

It's a lot of sour grapes. People loved to say fau and fiu didn't belong which was always bogus. Now since they are turning it around it's something else negative to try to crap on our excitement

It won't work. But glad people are searching for ways to slam now

I don't see it as a negative, if you have the right AD it can work, Toledo and NIU seem to do okay. Marshall wants the long-term coach so the big money boosters insist on WV connection, preferably Marshall alum. This hasn't worked in basketball, current coach might be exception, and football worked once (Bobby Pruett) but I'm not sure Doc is a good coach or a lucky one. His best seasons were at the beginning of CUSA 3.0 when Marshall's OOC was three MAC teams and a FCS. When it's time to replace Doc, I hope the WV connection criteria is dropped.

Marshall had a succession of good coaches in the IAA/FCS years, Stan Parish (2yrs), George Chaump (3yrs.), and Jim Donnan (5yrs.) built on the prior coach's success and left the program a little better off than when they took over. By the time Donnan left Marshall was a IAA/FCS powerhouse ready to step into FBS play and win a conference championship in its first year at that level.

(10-29-2017 03:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Nobody knows where middle Tennessee is even located outside of cusa fans or hardcore college fans.

You guys acting like you are in a higher class are hilarious. We started our program from scratch 17 years ago. It takes time to build

Hey, it says it right there! "MIDDLE TENNESSEE"! :)

(10-29-2017 03:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Nobody knows where middle Tennessee is even located outside of cusa fans or hardcore college fans.

You guys acting like you are in a higher class are hilarious. We started our program from scratch 17 years ago. It takes time to build

Cool man, are you suggesting people know where F_U is located(either of you)? And we've still had more winning seasons in the last four than you've had in your entire FBS history.

Nothing I said was an attack on either school, simply a statement of facts.

But glad you could get your shots in...

(10-29-2017 04:43 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Nobody knows where middle Tennessee is even located outside of cusa fans or hardcore college fans.

You guys acting like you are in a higher class are hilarious. We started our program from scratch 17 years ago. It takes time to build

Hey, it says it right there! "MIDDLE TENNESSEE"! :)

(10-29-2017 03:24 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Let the hate flow. Rather have people hoping for things rather than the bogus acting like they are in another class rhetoric

Who said anything about "another class"?

We've been FBS for, what? 5 years longer? And have seven winning seasons to your two and lead the all time series 11-4.

Another class? No, not at all. Doesn't mean that there aren't observable metrics to compare the two programs.

(10-29-2017 07:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:24 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Let the hate flow. Rather have people hoping for things rather than the bogus acting like they are in another class rhetoric

Who said anything about "another class"?

We've been FBS for, what? 5 years longer? And have seven winning seasons to your two and lead the all time series 11-4.

Another class? No, not at all. Doesn't mean that there aren't observable metrics to compare the two programs.

Plenty of people have on this site over the years. Saying fau and fiu should be kicked out I didn't quote you with that post either ...

You've also been playing football since 1911 though. We started from scratch in 2001. Big difference in building ...

And yes people know Miami and Boca Raton as cities more than mt's locale.

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The problem with this conference is the "you haven't been good, you can never be good", and "we were good once, we'll be good again soon.

History didn't help Marshall, WKU or USM on the field yesterday.....and it never will.
History didn't hurt FIU, FAU or UAB yesterday on the field...and it never will.
Good teams can get worse and bad teams can get good.
FAU is easily the best team I've seen play in this conference this season. How they did in the previous five, ten or 17 years is irrelevant.

(10-29-2017 08:01 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 07:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:24 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Let the hate flow. Rather have people hoping for things rather than the bogus acting like they are in another class rhetoric

Who said anything about "another class"?

We've been FBS for, what? 5 years longer? And have seven winning seasons to your two and lead the all time series 11-4.

Another class? No, not at all. Doesn't mean that there aren't observable metrics to compare the two programs.

Plenty of people have on this site over the years. Saying fau and fiu should be kicked out I didn't quote you with that post either ...

You've also been playing football since 1911 though. We started from scratch in 2001. Big difference in building ...

And yes people know Miami and Boca Raton as cities more than mt's locale.

Miami and Boca being more known cities than Murfreesboro doesn't mean any more people know where F_U is than where MT is.

Those are entirely different conversations.

(10-29-2017 08:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I've always been a proponent of having a presence in Florida, but neither one of FAU or FIU have ever had anything resembling sustained success and I don't expect that to change.

In 24 combined FBS seasons, they have four combined winning seasons and 11 combined seasons of three wins or less.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The problem with this conference is the "you haven't been good, you can never be good", and "we were good once, we'll be good again soon.

History didn't help Marshall, WKU or USM on the field yesterday.....and it never will.
History didn't hurt FIU, FAU or UAB yesterday on the field...and it never will.
Good teams can get worse and bad teams can get good.
FAU is easily the best team I've seen play in this conference this season. How they did in the previous five, ten or 17 years is irrelevant.

What are you jabbering on about?

Of course either of them can be good, if they couldn't, they would have zero winning seasons out of twenty four combined FBS seasons rather than a whopping four.

Historical data means very little to individual seasons, let alone individual games, if it did the likes of Vandy, Kentucky, Indiana, Iowa State, etc would never have winning seasons and G5 wins over traditional P5 powers would never happen.

Of course history didn't help Marshall, or Western or USM on the field yesterday, what a tremendous misrepresentation of my point.

The point is, over time, programs tend to be what they've always been.

The best indicator of future results is past results. Once strong programs can certainly fall off and traditionally weak programs can certainly turn things around, but more often than not programs go through relatively short upswings or downswings, before ultimately regressing or bouncing back to the norm.

The reason I can say with confidence that over the next ten years, either one of F_U surpassing four winning seasons would be surprising, is the same reason I say MT will likely post more winning seasons than either, though most will likely be 7-5 or 8-4 and a lot of near misses on actually winning the conference, but more than one conference title would be surprising.

And maybe one or both of F_U is starting one of those upswings, and maybe one or both of them are at the beginning of a turning point, and this season is just the harbinger of things to come, but they would be anomalies if it happened.

The best indicator of future results is past results.

Over time, programs tend to be what they've always been.

The people that talk about history in a given year are also doing so because their team isn't in the same class in the current year. So congrats on your supposed awesome history. I'll enjoy the current year we are having

People in this conference are always trying to crap on fau and fiu. Before it was we don't belong. Now it's well you'll just suck in the near future ..

What they gotta realize is their school is irrelevant too in the big picture. Nobody cares about middle Tennessee either. You are in the same boat

And if fau can go from a joke to being a conference contender in one fricken year , you gotta ask yourself how good are you guys really ?

(10-29-2017 09:27 PM)Ragu Wrote:  The people that talk about history in a given year are also doing so because their team isn't in the same class in the current year. So congrats on your supposed awesome history. I'll enjoy the current year we are having

People in this conference are always trying to crap on fau and fiu. Before it was we don't belong. Now it's well you'll just suck in the near future ..

What they gotta realize is their school is irrelevant too in the big picture. Nobody cares about middle Tennessee either. You are in the same boat

And if fau can go from a joke to being a conference contender in one fricken year , you gotta ask yourself how good are you guys really ?

You again miss the point entirely.

I'm not "crapping" on either school, nor am I talking about history because we're having a down year, MT's history isn't that good anyhow, just better than F_U's.

The best indicator of future results is past results.

Over time, programs tend to be what they've always been.