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(10-28-2017 07:56 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 05:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why play any games at all? They already know they're the best team out there. They shouldn't have to even play the regular season to prove that.

The other teams don't know that. Look there is no need to be absurd. I just said I do not think a team as dominant as Bama for 12 games should not have to play 3 also rans to win the NC.

Umm...you talk about being absurd...but it really feels like you are calling other top 8 teams (out of 130 D1 schools) "also rans"? You do realize that two "also rans" (OSU in 2014 and Clemson in 2016) beat Alabama, right?
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(10-28-2017 08:59 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Exactly. I understand that we're not going to see every superstar in the "New Year's Seven" bowl games that aren't part of the playoff. I understand that the losing quarterfinal teams are not going to be highly motivated. I understand that fan bases will not travel as well (they already traveled to a CCG city [probably], they may have ponied up the money for a quarterfinal game...PLUS the incentive of winning a national title is gone). I get it.

But with the money and excitement at stake for the sport overall, it doesn't matter! Bowls NEVER meant anything, at least not in the past 20 years. And when they did, the system was asinine. Three or four different bowl games that will determine whom VOTERS will choose was the best team?!?!?

I look at the theoretical bowl games from last year (in the original post) and think that looks better than anything I remember seeing on New Year's Day or Eve in the previous 20 years...simply because there is a consolidation of the top teams (plus two of the games are actual PLAYOFFS which matter more than bowls ever did before!!!). Only 1 top-15 team got left out of the New Year's Seven bowls in my original post. That means you have great teams matched up well across two exciting days of CFB!

No you don't understand. Any player from the losing teams who has pro prospects would not play in the bowl game. Alabama loses in the QF but goes to a bowl? They'd have 10+ guys who don't play in that game.

Stever20...my friend...you are addressing a problem with bowls and amateur athletics that is bigger than my little 8-team proposal. So, let's not shoot down MY idea with issues that don't have anything to do with this idea.
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(10-29-2017 12:25 PM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 10:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 08:59 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Exactly. I understand that we're not going to see every superstar in the "New Year's Seven" bowl games that aren't part of the playoff. I understand that the losing quarterfinal teams are not going to be highly motivated. I understand that fan bases will not travel as well (they already traveled to a CCG city [probably], they may have ponied up the money for a quarterfinal game...PLUS the incentive of winning a national title is gone). I get it.

But with the money and excitement at stake for the sport overall, it doesn't matter! Bowls NEVER meant anything, at least not in the past 20 years. And when they did, the system was asinine. Three or four different bowl games that will determine whom VOTERS will choose was the best team?!?!?

I look at the theoretical bowl games from last year (in the original post) and think that looks better than anything I remember seeing on New Year's Day or Eve in the previous 20 years...simply because there is a consolidation of the top teams (plus two of the games are actual PLAYOFFS which matter more than bowls ever did before!!!). Only 1 top-15 team got left out of the New Year's Seven bowls in my original post. That means you have great teams matched up well across two exciting days of CFB!

No you don't understand. Any player from the losing teams who has pro prospects would not play in the bowl game. Alabama loses in the QF but goes to a bowl? They'd have 10+ guys who don't play in that game.

Stever20...my friend...you are addressing a problem with bowls and amateur athletics that is bigger than my little 8-team proposal. So, let's not shoot down MY idea with issues that don't have anything to do with this idea.

No it's got everything to do with your idea. WAY more people would skip bowls after losing playoff game than you have seen before. Pretty much ANY pro prospect would skip the bowl. So instead of 1 or 2(and only the top guy)- it would be like 8-10.
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(10-29-2017 12:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 12:25 PM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 10:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 08:59 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Exactly. I understand that we're not going to see every superstar in the "New Year's Seven" bowl games that aren't part of the playoff. I understand that the losing quarterfinal teams are not going to be highly motivated. I understand that fan bases will not travel as well (they already traveled to a CCG city [probably], they may have ponied up the money for a quarterfinal game...PLUS the incentive of winning a national title is gone). I get it.

But with the money and excitement at stake for the sport overall, it doesn't matter! Bowls NEVER meant anything, at least not in the past 20 years. And when they did, the system was asinine. Three or four different bowl games that will determine whom VOTERS will choose was the best team?!?!?

I look at the theoretical bowl games from last year (in the original post) and think that looks better than anything I remember seeing on New Year's Day or Eve in the previous 20 years...simply because there is a consolidation of the top teams (plus two of the games are actual PLAYOFFS which matter more than bowls ever did before!!!). Only 1 top-15 team got left out of the New Year's Seven bowls in my original post. That means you have great teams matched up well across two exciting days of CFB!

No you don't understand. Any player from the losing teams who has pro prospects would not play in the bowl game. Alabama loses in the QF but goes to a bowl? They'd have 10+ guys who don't play in that game.

Stever20...my friend...you are addressing a problem with bowls and amateur athletics that is bigger than my little 8-team proposal. So, let's not shoot down MY idea with issues that don't have anything to do with this idea.

No it's got everything to do with your idea. WAY more people would skip bowls after losing playoff game than you have seen before. Pretty much ANY pro prospect would skip the bowl. So instead of 1 or 2(and only the top guy)- it would be like 8-10.

The teams don't care. Its why they did away with the consolation games in the NCAA tourney. There used to be consolation games in the regional finals and the national finals.
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If you go to 8 with home sites, you are basically scrapping the bowl system as it exists today. I'm fine with that. But if you aren't, you don't do quarterfinals at home sites. In December you end up having the losers out of bowls and January doesn't work because of weather.
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Ask players. Do you want a mini-vacation over New Year's and a chance to play one more game with your buddies on national TV? Most of them will say YES.

The basketball consolation game you speak of was not extra travel, a mini-vacation, or a special opportunity. It wasn't even televised back in the day. Plus, basketball teams play almost 40 games over 5 months. Football gets a whopping 13-15 over four months. Apples to oranges.

Stever...this trend you speak of is still evolving. It just started last year. You're speculating wildly.
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(10-29-2017 01:34 PM)micahandme Wrote:  Ask players. Do you want a mini-vacation over New Year's and a chance to play one more game with your buddies on national TV? Most of them will say YES.

The basketball consolation game you speak of was not extra travel, a mini-vacation, or a special opportunity. It wasn't even televised back in the day. Plus, basketball teams play almost 40 games over 5 months. Football gets a whopping 13-15 over four months. Apples to oranges.

Stever...this trend you speak of is still evolving. It just started last year. You're speculating wildly.

no I'm not. You are the one who thinks there would be any interest in the players. Oh, and pretty much ZERO fans would go to a bowl after having gone to a CCG and a 1st rd game.

Your thing has a ZERO percent chance of ever happening. That's right- it's got absolutely positively no chance. There is absolutely no interest in a team who lost in the playoffs getting another game.
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(10-29-2017 12:22 PM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 07:56 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 05:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why play any games at all? They already know they're the best team out there. They shouldn't have to even play the regular season to prove that.

The other teams don't know that. Look there is no need to be absurd. I just said I do not think a team as dominant as Bama for 12 games should not have to play 3 also rans to win the NC.

Umm...you talk about being absurd...but it really feels like you are calling other top 8 teams (out of 130 D1 schools) "also rans"? You do realize that two "also rans" (OSU in 2014 and Clemson in 2016) beat Alabama, right?

They were in the top four, not also rans. Being absurd is saying why play any games at all, just give them the champioonhip
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The only reason people are clamoring for 8 teams is that one of the P5 conferences gets left out every year and this year two P5 conferences may get left out with the years of ND and Georgia are having.

As a fan of a school not in the P5 knowing that G5 schools will never make the current playoff structure. I still don't think going to 8 teams is the answer, because once you go to 8 teams then we will want 12 or 16 teams and then it becomes NFL lite. It will never end.

This is just my opinion on how it should be for college football and also knowing conferences like the SEC and BIG will never go for it because they have too much power. . Football should have their own conferences separate from Olympic sports. This way Olympic sports can be more regional to save on travel costs.

I like the idea of creating a P4 structure and using the conference championships as a defacto quarterfinals. The 4 conference champions would then go to the playoff, and the playoff committee would seed those teams in the semi-finals each year. How you set up each conference is debatable? It could be 4 conferences of 16 to 20 teams, that would be in play each year. For those teams outside the playoff or the P4 they could still go to whatever bowl games their are.

In addition for those teams outside the P4, there could be another 4 FBS conferences and we could use the relegation system and the top team or two from each conference could move up the next year and bottom team or two would move down. It would force the non-competitive P4 teams (aka Baylor or Oregon State this year) to get it together and reward the other G4 teams who have an excellent year.

Lastly, it would also allow schools to play some of their traditional rivals in OOC games that have gone by the way side. For example, bring back OU and Nebraska and other games that were lost due to conference realignment, because losing those games won't hurt your playoff chances.
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I think the CCGs will serve nicely as a defacto QF this year.

Clemson/Miami/ND odd man is going to get screwed, but they've already lost a game or will lose one going forward ("U" has to run the table and beat both to get in).

If it comes down to Clemson/ND and Wisconsin/OSU and UGA/Bama are in their respective title games, it should be interesting, but I don't think the Big 12 gets in at one loss unless it comes down to OSU/OU H2H.
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Pac-12 & Big 12 have recommended @CFBPlayoff expands to 8 teams this year, including each Power 5 champion
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(10-27-2017 08:42 AM)micahandme Wrote:  I'm generally NOT in favor of an 8-team playoff. Overall, I worry that it’ll dilute the regular season…and CFP has the BEST regular season in American sports.

But if the fervor ever grows enough for an 8-team playoff, here's the best way to go about it.

Have a quarterfinal at home stadiums of highest seeds, but NOT the week after the CCGs. The lower seeds could not pull off the travel that fast...the media would want to build up the hype for the games longer. It makes the higher seeds get a HUGE advantage (a few extra million revenue off the field; a rowdy, excited stadium to help on the field).

The main "problem" with this model is the "bowl placement issue." Bowl games traditionally are set in early December...and the bowls fall like dominos. The lower bowls don't want to set THEIRS, until they can see what the higher bowls get.

To resolve this, I think you simply save a spot for quarterfinal losers in the New Year's Six (Seven*). Would this kill some fan travel to bowl games? Absolutely. But bowls are mostly about TV viewership anyway...so I don't think this is a deal breaker. You are still keeping the top 13-15 teams in the country in games versus each other. Would teams be LESS motivated to play in the bowl game after losing the quarterfinal? Absolutely...but it's another chance to play a football game and get free travel/perks to a nice vacation destination.

Teasing it out below off of last year's seeding...interested in your thoughts on what the discussion would be TODAY if this was the model.

Quarterfinals...Friday Dec 16 and Saturday Dec 17.
#8 WMU (G5 rep) at #1 Alabama (SEC champ) (8pm FRIDAY)
#7 OU (Big 12 champ) at #2 Clemson (ACC champ) (1pm SAT)
#6 Michigan (at-large) at #3 OSU (at-large) (5pm SAT)
#5 Penn State (Big Ten champ) at #4 Washington (Pac12 champ) (9pm SAT)

BOWL GAMES
Orange—#11 Florida State (ACC). vs. CFP loser
Rose—#8 Wisconsin (Big Ten) vs. #9 USC (Pac12)
Cotton—#10 Colorado (at-large) vs. CFP loser
Sugar—#14 Auburn (SEC) vs. #12 Oklahoma State (Big 12)

*Citrus—CFP loser vs. CFP loser

CFP Semifinals
Peach and Fiesta. 1/8 winner vs. 4/5 winner. 2/7 winner vs. 3/6 winner.

All of this can be announced on Selection Sunday..so the entire bowl schedule can be set, except for the 5 bowls affected by the results of the quarterfinal.
Then later...to be determined by quarterfinal results...


*to allow for a place for all quarterfinal losers and continue conference guarantees, an additional bowl will need to be created in the New Year’s Six (now Seven)

If the PAC 12 would cooperate with ESPN—which pulls the playoff strings, an eight team playoff is unnecessary. All ESPN has to do is move UT@ustin to the PAC 12 (for a % of its network), which badly needs the market and football brand. I think OU would follow UT@ustin because ESPN would $trongly $uggest to the $EC not to offer OU and OSU a home. The only hindrance to this possibility is the B1G taking OU and maybe KU….
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Either you break up OU and UT into the PAC 12/B1G and then put the remainder and some of the AAC schools into a watered down Big 12 that is part of a new Gof6 schools with four P4 conferences and ND vying for the top four slots, but 8 teams makes no sense most years given how top heavy it usually is between the top 2-3 schools.
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(10-29-2017 06:37 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Either you break up OU and UT into the PAC 12/B1G and then put the remainder and some of the AAC schools into a watered down Big 12 that is part of a new Gof6 schools with four P4 conferences and ND vying for the top four slots, but 8 teams makes no sense most years given how top heavy it usually is between the top 2-3 schools.

I agree… but ESPN would need UT and OU in the PAC 12 to justify paying B1G and SEC money for its content in my opinion. This also balances the football power/brands in each P4 conference. The ACC (and ESPN) only needs ND to join for football....
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If Scott could land Texoma on the second At-bat then he would, and Fox could bid up that contract to keep ESPN out of a monopoly.

I think ND would get on board at that point with the ACC and some lucky AAC or Big 12 school for 16. At that point, there would be no controversy except that the Gof5/6 would be out permanently. I don't see that happening until 2025 or later, when public education is fundamentally and inevitably overhauled in this country, where only elite students are pursuing advanced graduate degrees in major public universities. I see lower tier universities becoming more vocational or specialized, as alternate accreditation takes foot. Student debt bubble will implode soon, but that's a conversation for another day...
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In that scenario, I wonder if Notre Dame and the ACC would accept a football membership scenario where Navy was added as the 16th team (football only) and the 8-team ACC divisions rotated based on the future Notre Dame-ACC schedules. And, only the 7 divisional games counted toward the divisional race.

I note that a couple of future schedules have 6 Notre Dame-ACC games. Add Navy and 1-2 other ACC games and it would work - BUT, Notre Dame isn't pinned down to one specific divisional lineup each year.

For example, based on future schedules, Notre Dame's rotating divisions could be:
2019 = Navy Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, Boston College, TBD
2020 = Navy, Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Wake, Pitt, Georgia Tech
2021 = Navy, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Florida St., Virginia Tech, Virginia, TBD
2022 = Navy, Boston College, Clemson, North Carolina, Syracuse, TBD, TBD
2023 = Navy, Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Wake, NC State
2024 = Navy, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami, TBD, TBD
2025 = Navy, Boston College, Miami, NC State, Pitt, Syracuse, TBD
2026 = Navy, Virginia, Florida St., Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse, TBD

8x = Navy
4x = Virginia, Louisville
3x = Clemson, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, Boston College, Florida St., Syracuse
2x = Wake, Virginia Tech, Miami, NC State, North Carolina

That's only 8 extra ACC games in 8 years and leaves 5-game flexibility on Notre Dame's OOC schedule to play USC, Stanford and two spots for the Georgia, Michigan, Ohio St., Texas A&M, Michigan St., Wisconsin type matchups and a payday home game against the MAC or similar opponent.

OR, rotate the divisions on a two-year home-away basis and require Notre Dame and Navy to only play the 7-game divisional round robin ACC schedule.
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(10-30-2017 01:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder if Notre Dame and the ACC would accept a football membership scenario where Navy was added as the 16th team (football only) and the 8-team ACC divisions rotated based on the future Notre Dame-ACC schedules. And, only the 7 divisional games counted toward the divisional race.

I note that a couple of future schedules have 6 Notre Dame-ACC games. Add Navy and 1-2 other ACC games and it would work - BUT, Notre Dame isn't pinned down to one specific divisional lineup each year.

For example, based on future schedules, Notre Dame's rotating divisions could be:
2019 = Navy Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, Boston College, TBD
2020 = Navy, Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Wake, Pitt, Georgia Tech
2021 = Navy, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Florida St., Virginia Tech, Virginia, TBD
2022 = Navy, Boston College, Clemson, North Carolina, Syracuse, TBD, TBD
2023 = Navy, Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Wake, NC State
2024 = Navy, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami, TBD, TBD
2025 = Navy, Boston College, Miami, NC State, Pitt, Syracuse, TBD
2026 = Navy, Virginia, Florida St., Louisville, North Carolina, Syracuse, TBD

8x = Navy
4x = Virginia, Louisville
3x = Clemson, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Duke, Boston College, Florida St., Syracuse
2x = Wake, Virginia Tech, Miami, NC State, North Carolina

That's only 8 extra ACC games in 8 years and leaves 5-game flexibility on Notre Dame's OOC schedule to play USC, Stanford and two spots for the Georgia, Michigan, Ohio St., Texas A&M, Michigan St., Wisconsin type matchups and a payday home game against the MAC or similar opponent.

OR, rotate the divisions on a two-year home-away basis and require Notre Dame and Navy to only play the 7-game divisional round robin ACC schedule.

For the conference, I think the bolded portion above would be the problem. That would leave an 8-7 divisional setup (unless you went 5-5-5 which I don't believe they would prefer.) If they also added Cincinnati, for example, the conference may be okay with it. With the larger conference, new division alignment would probably be considered.

Atlantic: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida St
Coastal: Virginia Tech, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Navy, Syracuse, Boston College, Miami

Notre Dame plays an 8-game conference schedule (Navy, Pittsburgh, Boston College annually.) They can find their way into the ACC championship game and bowl slots.
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I think it's inevitable that we'll end up with an 8-team playoff WITH auto-bids for the P5 champs. This is about control and power and *automatic* access is what that's all about. The P5 doesn't want merely a 90% or even 99% chance of making the playoffs every year: they can and will demand a 100% chance. They want their conference championship games to become de facto playoff games regardless of the rankings of the participants (and they want the increased TV revenue that comes from those de facto playoff games that doesn't have to be shared with any other league).

On the flip side, requiring all of the playoff spots to be conference champs is a complete non-starter. If it's already a non-starter for the 4-team playoff, why on Earth would they be even more exclusionary with an 8-team playoff? Look at how perplexing it is to deal with Notre Dame alone (who is far more important to the powers that be than all of the G5 schools combined and then some). There's a pretty easy solution: at-large slots that can go to anyone (including but not limited to ND).

K.I.S.S. ---- Keep It Simple Stupid. 5 P5 champs plus 3 at-large slots (with maybe a provision for a high-ranking G5 champ) equals the 8-team playoff. If there's a playoff expansion, it's not going to be any more convoluted than that. A clear unambiguous non-poll/committee-based path for the P5 champs plus a few at-large spots for the independents and other high-ranking non-champs is pretty much the essence of a playoff.
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(10-28-2017 02:49 AM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 01:01 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Logistically I don't think hosting games at college campuses is feasible. Some towns and cities might not have the budget to handle an extra, heavy police presence for example. Someone is going to foot that budget? You get 4-6 weeks advance notice? Good luck on getting that through some small towns' red tape on short notice, especially with christmas and new years, and 4Q/usually fiscal year-end accounting sucking up cycles.

Also, what if the city of Memphis has some big country music event sucking up 75% hotels when the Tigers sneak in. What in police overtime restrictions are already in place due to budget woes in whatever city?

I just think when you open it up to 8, the G5 is going to start howling for guaranteed representation. Regardless, 8 opens up the pool of colleges so much that there could be all kinds of headaches in all kinds of unforeseen ways.

The G5 do get an auto-bid in the system I have suggested. #8 Western Michigan at #1 Alabama last year.

As a fan of PSU (and maybe you know this as a VT fan), the campus is empty on that weekend. Finals are over on pretty much every college campus, which means that the place is far less inhabited than usual. And even if hotels were full, as you say, there are still plenty of unfavorable options for fans (getting a hotel 1 hour away, driving all the way to the game in the wee hours of the morning, etc.).

And remember...this is not like the Super Bowl for media attention. There would be four sites splitting the attentions of the CFB world.

And, honestly, if you want to keep there from being a dumb, one-month lull in the season, you MUST put it in the pre-Christmas window. And both teams traveling to another neutral city in that window is SUPER unrealistic and logistically foolish (more than only making one team travel while the other gets to relax at home for a home game).

It's not ideal...I'll grant you that...but the positives outweigh the negatives.

If the G5 get an autobid regardless of ranking, ND should join the AAC and get the autobid every year instead of playing insane schedule.

IMO, should be the top 8 ranked teams by the committee. No pity placements for undeserving conf champs or anyone not in the top 8.
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RE: CFB today with an 8-team playoff
(10-30-2017 05:15 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 02:49 AM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 01:01 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Logistically I don't think hosting games at college campuses is feasible. Some towns and cities might not have the budget to handle an extra, heavy police presence for example. Someone is going to foot that budget? You get 4-6 weeks advance notice? Good luck on getting that through some small towns' red tape on short notice, especially with christmas and new years, and 4Q/usually fiscal year-end accounting sucking up cycles.

Also, what if the city of Memphis has some big country music event sucking up 75% hotels when the Tigers sneak in. What in police overtime restrictions are already in place due to budget woes in whatever city?

I just think when you open it up to 8, the G5 is going to start howling for guaranteed representation. Regardless, 8 opens up the pool of colleges so much that there could be all kinds of headaches in all kinds of unforeseen ways.

The G5 do get an auto-bid in the system I have suggested. #8 Western Michigan at #1 Alabama last year.

As a fan of PSU (and maybe you know this as a VT fan), the campus is empty on that weekend. Finals are over on pretty much every college campus, which means that the place is far less inhabited than usual. And even if hotels were full, as you say, there are still plenty of unfavorable options for fans (getting a hotel 1 hour away, driving all the way to the game in the wee hours of the morning, etc.).

And remember...this is not like the Super Bowl for media attention. There would be four sites splitting the attentions of the CFB world.

And, honestly, if you want to keep there from being a dumb, one-month lull in the season, you MUST put it in the pre-Christmas window. And both teams traveling to another neutral city in that window is SUPER unrealistic and logistically foolish (more than only making one team travel while the other gets to relax at home for a home game).

It's not ideal...I'll grant you that...but the positives outweigh the negatives.

If the G5 get an autobid regardless of ranking, ND should join the AAC and get the autobid every year instead of playing insane schedule.

IMO, should be the top 8 ranked teams by the committee. No pity placements for undeserving conf champs or anyone not in the top 8.


That would completely defeat why ND has a football program.

It WANTS to play an "insane schedule" that lets it play schools from all P5 conferences and play all over the country.
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