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RE: CFB today with an 8-team playoff
There are two streams in this thread--the 8-team playoff idea and then the way that would affect the current landscape.

The PSU/OSU game this weekend for example. OSU certainly would be in perilous danger if they lost...but they would have a solid chance of still getting an at-large. PSU, on the other hand, would be playing for a home-field seed "guarantee" with a win...and still a very strong shot at an at-large bid with a loss.

A dozen other teams (with 2-losses) would still be dreaming of an at-large bid, even if a conference championship becomes improbable.

A few teams from weak divisions--like let's say NW in the B1G West or GATech in the ACC Coastal--have legit chances at sneaking in CCGs, which makes those races far more important and tense down the stretch.

Undoubtedly though...this would diminish SOME of the importance of September marquee games (OU/OSU, UGA/ND) because a loss doesn't mean much ultimately. But is that bad? Why should scheduling great OOC games sound your death knell? Washington's crappy OOC last year and this year doesn't hurt them a bit...and now that the Pac-12 North is down too...geez. They'll probably get in two straight 4-team playoffs.

I think the benefits for CFB of an 8-team playoff would outweigh the negatives.
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RE: CFB today with an 8-team playoff
(10-27-2017 11:55 AM)micahandme Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:31 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Meh, I wouldn't call having 80% of the teams in said division eliminated from contention before the season starts as the best.

I'd say NFL and CBB are better. Nothing wrong with a team losing a game or two and still being in contention for the playoff as long as everyone has an actual shot at winning the championship before the season starts.

80% are eliminated because D1 or FBS is a joke. But all of the G5 jokers around here would rather be eliminated before the season starts (for the past 80 years) than actually have their own league and playoff and championship.

Get rid of the G5 and make the playoff just for the P5...and then you have a more equitable system.

The playoff is already just for the P5. 07-coffee3
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(10-27-2017 12:34 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:22 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Because the ranking system is highly subjective?

Isn't selecting the top 8 selective. To eliminate being selective all 128 teams would have to involved in a playoff.

I'd prefer a scenario wherein conference champs are the only ones who make the CFP. The seeding would still likely be subjective, but at least it would be clearer as to how a team earns its way into the playoff.
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(10-27-2017 02:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 12:34 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:22 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Because the ranking system is highly subjective?

Isn't selecting the top 8 selective. To eliminate being selective all 128 teams would have to involved in a playoff.

I'd prefer a scenario wherein conference champs are the only ones who make the CFP. The seeding would still likely be subjective, but at least it would be clearer as to how a team earns its way into the playoff.

That would be ok if there were only four of the so called Power conferences. However, if you are talking all P5 and G5 confernces that will never work.
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A playoff without all conference champs is not a playoff
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Again, it will be top 8 teams. No lock in for conference champ. Odds are P5 fill all 8 slots. They are happy to keep major bowl system.
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(10-27-2017 03:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 02:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 12:34 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:22 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Because the ranking system is highly subjective?

Isn't selecting the top 8 selective. To eliminate being selective all 128 teams would have to involved in a playoff.

I'd prefer a scenario wherein conference champs are the only ones who make the CFP. The seeding would still likely be subjective, but at least it would be clearer as to how a team earns its way into the playoff.

That would be ok if there were only four of the so called Power conferences. However, if you are talking all P5 and G5 confernces that will never work.

Yes, a P4 would be ideal, though I could go for an 8-conference setup.
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(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Why should the 16-0 New England Patriots have to play three additional games to prove they are Super Bowl champions?

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Logistically I don't think hosting games at college campuses is feasible. Some towns and cities might not have the budget to handle an extra, heavy police presence for example. Someone is going to foot that budget? You get 4-6 weeks advance notice? Good luck on getting that through some small towns' red tape on short notice, especially with christmas and new years, and 4Q/usually fiscal year-end accounting sucking up cycles.

Also, what if the city of Memphis has some big country music event sucking up 75% hotels when the Tigers sneak in. What in police overtime restrictions are already in place due to budget woes in whatever city?

I just think when you open it up to 8, the G5 is going to start howling for guaranteed representation. Regardless, 8 opens up the pool of colleges so much that there could be all kinds of headaches in all kinds of unforeseen ways.

I don't see it going past 4. I especially don't see any plan to pass that involves hosting post-season games on college campuses.
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(10-28-2017 01:01 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Logistically I don't think hosting games at college campuses is feasible. Some towns and cities might not have the budget to handle an extra, heavy police presence for example. Someone is going to foot that budget? You get 4-6 weeks advance notice? Good luck on getting that through some small towns' red tape on short notice, especially with christmas and new years, and 4Q/usually fiscal year-end accounting sucking up cycles.

Also, what if the city of Memphis has some big country music event sucking up 75% hotels when the Tigers sneak in. What in police overtime restrictions are already in place due to budget woes in whatever city?

I just think when you open it up to 8, the G5 is going to start howling for guaranteed representation. Regardless, 8 opens up the pool of colleges so much that there could be all kinds of headaches in all kinds of unforeseen ways.

The G5 do get an auto-bid in the system I have suggested. #8 Western Michigan at #1 Alabama last year.

As a fan of PSU (and maybe you know this as a VT fan), the campus is empty on that weekend. Finals are over on pretty much every college campus, which means that the place is far less inhabited than usual. And even if hotels were full, as you say, there are still plenty of unfavorable options for fans (getting a hotel 1 hour away, driving all the way to the game in the wee hours of the morning, etc.).

And remember...this is not like the Super Bowl for media attention. There would be four sites splitting the attentions of the CFB world.

And, honestly, if you want to keep there from being a dumb, one-month lull in the season, you MUST put it in the pre-Christmas window. And both teams traveling to another neutral city in that window is SUPER unrealistic and logistically foolish (more than only making one team travel while the other gets to relax at home for a home game).

It's not ideal...I'll grant you that...but the positives outweigh the negatives.
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RE: CFB today with an 8-team playoff
I’d go for an 11 team playoff

P5 CCG winners go into QF

P5 CCG losers go into R1 with best G5 team

Some P5 may wish to chose their second team, if they have 1 very powerful division

Also ACC will need some agreement with Norte Dame
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(10-27-2017 10:24 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Not agreeing or disagreeing, but was just curious how each seed has done.

2 seeds are the best seed so far. 4 seeds are the second best record so far, thanks to Ohio State in 2014. However, 1/2 seeds have represented all but one final slot.

1 seeds: 2-3
2 seeds: 5-1, 2 champions
3 seeds: 0-3
4 seeds: 2-2, 1 champion

1/2 seeds: 7-4, 2 champions
3/4 seeds: 2-5, 1 champion

This is another positive of the 8-team system I'm proposing. The seeds currently mean nothing. It's a neutral site...all 4 teams are VERY comparable. The mentality is basically "Get into the playoffs and then all bets are off!"

With an 8-team system, the top seeds mean a ton. The debate last season, for example, wouldn't have been "does OSU get in the playoff?" but "Will OSU earn a first-round home game?" Some teams, granted, would still be just fighting for berth...USC, Florida State, OKSt, Colorado, the Big Ten title game loser...but the home game would be a level of intrigue currently missing!!!
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not really sure that the seeds don't mean anything. I mean in rd 1, the top 2 seeds are 5-1 with 5 blowout wins. I mean the 2/3 games have had mov of 39 38 and 31 points. That's a huge gulf. the 2 seeds are on a 103-0 run currently on the 3 seeds. The 1 seeds have outscored the 4 seeds last 2 years 61-24. with neither one close at all. So I just think to say that seeds are meaningless is a joke.
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(10-27-2017 01:00 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  8 teams really is ideal

First round the third Saturday in December at home fields
semifinals and finals like they are now

5 conference champs get in
minimum of one G5
undefeated teams get priority to host first round (even if that means a Notre Dame or Alabama playing @USF)

It would never happen, but it would be perfect.

I agree with this. This is the best way to do it. I think it would be awesome to see a place like Clemson or Alabama host a playoff game. Could you imagine Ohio State or LSU playing each other in Columbus. Those would be awesome games and awesome tv ratings. You also have several American teams if undefeated that can easily handle a home game in the first round. Houston, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati (place would be rocking).
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(10-27-2017 09:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  dude losing teams in the playoffs are NOT going to play in any meaningless bowl game. I see this all the time and just LOL at it. You know last year what happened with LSU and Stanford with Fournette and McCaffery not playing in their bowl games? Think that times 10.

I dunno. You could say that all non-CFP bowls are meaningless then.

They already are.
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(10-28-2017 07:56 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  dude losing teams in the playoffs are NOT going to play in any meaningless bowl game. I see this all the time and just LOL at it. You know last year what happened with LSU and Stanford with Fournette and McCaffery not playing in their bowl games? Think that times 10.

I dunno. You could say that all non-CFP bowls are meaningless then.

They already are.

Exactly. I understand that we're not going to see every superstar in the "New Year's Seven" bowl games that aren't part of the playoff. I understand that the losing quarterfinal teams are not going to be highly motivated. I understand that fan bases will not travel as well (they already traveled to a CCG city [probably], they may have ponied up the money for a quarterfinal game...PLUS the incentive of winning a national title is gone). I get it.

But with the money and excitement at stake for the sport overall, it doesn't matter! Bowls NEVER meant anything, at least not in the past 20 years. And when they did, the system was asinine. Three or four different bowl games that will determine whom VOTERS will choose was the best team?!?!?

I look at the theoretical bowl games from last year (in the original post) and think that looks better than anything I remember seeing on New Year's Day or Eve in the previous 20 years...simply because there is a consolidation of the top teams (plus two of the games are actual PLAYOFFS which matter more than bowls ever did before!!!). Only 1 top-15 team got left out of the New Year's Seven bowls in my original post. That means you have great teams matched up well across two exciting days of CFB!
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(10-28-2017 08:59 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 07:56 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:23 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  dude losing teams in the playoffs are NOT going to play in any meaningless bowl game. I see this all the time and just LOL at it. You know last year what happened with LSU and Stanford with Fournette and McCaffery not playing in their bowl games? Think that times 10.

I dunno. You could say that all non-CFP bowls are meaningless then.

They already are.

Exactly. I understand that we're not going to see every superstar in the "New Year's Seven" bowl games that aren't part of the playoff. I understand that the losing quarterfinal teams are not going to be highly motivated. I understand that fan bases will not travel as well (they already traveled to a CCG city [probably], they may have ponied up the money for a quarterfinal game...PLUS the incentive of winning a national title is gone). I get it.

But with the money and excitement at stake for the sport overall, it doesn't matter! Bowls NEVER meant anything, at least not in the past 20 years. And when they did, the system was asinine. Three or four different bowl games that will determine whom VOTERS will choose was the best team?!?!?

I look at the theoretical bowl games from last year (in the original post) and think that looks better than anything I remember seeing on New Year's Day or Eve in the previous 20 years...simply because there is a consolidation of the top teams (plus two of the games are actual PLAYOFFS which matter more than bowls ever did before!!!). Only 1 top-15 team got left out of the New Year's Seven bowls in my original post. That means you have great teams matched up well across two exciting days of CFB!

No you don't understand. Any player from the losing teams who has pro prospects would not play in the bowl game. Alabama loses in the QF but goes to a bowl? They'd have 10+ guys who don't play in that game.
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(10-27-2017 08:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Why should the 16-0 New England Patriots have to play three additional games to prove they are Super Bowl champions?

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They shouldn't have to.
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(10-28-2017 03:06 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 08:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Why should the 16-0 New England Patriots have to play three additional games to prove they are Super Bowl champions?

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They shouldn't have to.

Why play any games at all? They already know they're the best team out there. They shouldn't have to even play the regular season to prove that.
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(10-28-2017 05:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-28-2017 03:06 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 08:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-27-2017 09:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Why should a team like Alabama this year have to play three additional games to prove they are number 1 ?

Why should the 16-0 New England Patriots have to play three additional games to prove they are Super Bowl champions?

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They shouldn't have to.

Why play any games at all? They already know they're the best team out there. They shouldn't have to even play the regular season to prove that.

The other teams don't know that. Look there is no need to be absurd. I just said I do not think a team as dominant as Bama for 12 games should have to play 3 also rans to win the NC.
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