(10-24-2017 11:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: You can’t convince me of an argument of the need for these large scaled gun clips. This guy had an Arsenal in that room. It’s idiotic to say on one hand what could have stopped this guy and then in the other hand block any legislative efforts for assault weapons ban.
The intent of the post is to tell you the debate is over. You guys won.
He did have an Arsenal. And tapped into a tiny fraction of it apparently.
I’m not aware of how many “clips” he used, my guess is zero.
But dozens of magazines and tens of thousands of rounds remained behind. (Supposedly).
So how would have limiting that part of it helped? He didn’t use most of them!
But, we’ve got to do something, right?
Of course thus far we know next to NOTHING about this dick, but let’s affect tens of millions of innocent law abiding civilians for the actions one ahole.
(10-24-2017 11:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Yes. So let’s not make it so easy for those wanting to commit murder on a large scale. It’s the access. Listen. If we can’t get bump stocks banned. The fight is over. Move onto something else. I think after Sandy Hook the debate was clear and concise. If that Las Vegas incident doesn’t get a Republican to move on gun legislation. Nothing will.
If you were given the choice to eliminate one and only one type of killing event which would you choose?
1. Mass shooting event (multiple victims)
2. Single shooting event (one victim)
Would you choose to eliminate all future mass shooting events or would you choose to eliminate all future single shooting event?
Careful there.
I get you, but.
The prior Admin, in their zeal to rebrand and use Orwellian language for anything potentially negative (man made disaster, workplace violence), started the practice of calling even the gangbangers in his own hometown, anything over a certain number of victims- 2,3, 4? A “mass shooting event.
IOW’s, 15 YO Rondell with his shiny new Glock he’s never fired, goes out and opens up, this is now the same as Sandy Hook or Miami nightclub, Vegas etc.
If they can lump gang violence in with these whack jobs, they can avoid addressing the gangs.
(10-24-2017 10:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Three Weeks After Las Vegas, Legislation to Ban Bump Stocks Has Stalled Out in Congress
An effort to ban bump stocks is effectively dead, aides and advocates say. And the NRA isn’t the lone suspect.
Three weeks after the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history, efforts to pass even scaled-down gun-control legislation have effectively stalled on Capitol Hill.
Congressional aides and issue advocates say they see no viable path for passing even the most promising bill: an effort to ban the manufacturing and sale of bump stocks, which were used by the Las Vegas shooter to essentially turn his semi-automatic weapons into fully automatics ones.
“Depressing but not surprising,” is how one senior House Democratic aide put it.
“It’s pathetic,” said another.
The failure of lawmakers to move bump stock legislation comes despite the willingness of several House Republicans to sign on to the measure. A bill introduced by Reps. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL) and Seth Moulton (D-MA) has 20 co-sponsors in total—ten Democratic and ten Republican. But aides say that there is no indication that the House Judiciary Committee is going to consider that bill, or a similar one signed by 173 Democrats. Democrats are expected to ask the Committee’s chairman, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), to address the matter in the week ahead.
Prospects look bleak in the Senate too. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) bill banning bump stocks has 39 Democratic co-sponsors but not one Republican, though an aide said that she is still hopeful that she can convince one to sign on to the measure. Even were she to find a GOP co-sponsor there is no guarantee that the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley (R-IA), would bring the bill up for consideration.
A committee spokesman for Grassley told The Daily Beast that the committee has been briefed about “regulatory and technical issues involving bump stocks” and that they are “evaluating potential regulatory and legislative proposals.”
You realize that you can replicate what a bump stock does by simply looping your trigger finger through your belt loop (to maintain a stable position for the trigger) and fire while applying forward pressure with the hand supporting the front of the gun. There are lots of other ways to do it. Didnt the guy in Fance kill 100 people with a truck? If you want to kill a lot of people I doubt the bump stock ban would make much difference.
That said, Id be fine with banning them. I just dont think it would make much difference.
Just saw there’s a glove.
A GLOVE! Like a bike or weightlifting glove that would accomplish the same thing.
Also saw a few weeks ago a “bump stock” could be made out of a 2x4 or similar.
(10-24-2017 10:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Three Weeks After Las Vegas, Legislation to Ban Bump Stocks Has Stalled Out in Congress
An effort to ban bump stocks is effectively dead, aides and advocates say. And the NRA isn’t the lone suspect.
Three weeks after the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history, efforts to pass even scaled-down gun-control legislation have effectively stalled on Capitol Hill.
Congressional aides and issue advocates say they see no viable path for passing even the most promising bill: an effort to ban the manufacturing and sale of bump stocks, which were used by the Las Vegas shooter to essentially turn his semi-automatic weapons into fully automatics ones.
“Depressing but not surprising,” is how one senior House Democratic aide put it.
“It’s pathetic,” said another.
The failure of lawmakers to move bump stock legislation comes despite the willingness of several House Republicans to sign on to the measure. A bill introduced by Reps. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL) and Seth Moulton (D-MA) has 20 co-sponsors in total—ten Democratic and ten Republican. But aides say that there is no indication that the House Judiciary Committee is going to consider that bill, or a similar one signed by 173 Democrats. Democrats are expected to ask the Committee’s chairman, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), to address the matter in the week ahead.
Prospects look bleak in the Senate too. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) bill banning bump stocks has 39 Democratic co-sponsors but not one Republican, though an aide said that she is still hopeful that she can convince one to sign on to the measure. Even were she to find a GOP co-sponsor there is no guarantee that the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley (R-IA), would bring the bill up for consideration.
A committee spokesman for Grassley told The Daily Beast that the committee has been briefed about “regulatory and technical issues involving bump stocks” and that they are “evaluating potential regulatory and legislative proposals.”
You realize that you can replicate what a bump stock does by simply looping your trigger finger through your belt loop (to maintain a stable position for the trigger) and fire while applying forward pressure with the hand supporting the front of the gun. There are lots of other ways to do it. Didnt the guy in Fance kill 100 people with a truck? If you want to kill a lot of people I doubt the bump stock ban would make much difference.
That said, Id be fine with banning them. I just dont think it would make much difference.
Just saw there’s a glove.
A GLOVE! Like a bike or weightlifting glove that would accomplish the same thing.
Also saw a few weeks ago a “bump stock” could be made out of a 2x4 or similar.
As in, “if we had done xxx, xxx many years ago, Vegas wouldn’t have happened or been possible to happen.
All ears.
What?
You know exactly what the "what" is. We all do. These hoblophobic liberals want a full repeal of 2A and all out confiscation. Some just have the balls to admit it now as opposed to the many of them who wont say it out loud, but secretly wish for it.
(10-24-2017 05:44 PM)miko33 Wrote: This is nothing more than a political party trying capitalize on a tragedy by “doing something” - even if that something is highly ineffective.
(10-24-2017 11:07 AM)Kronke Wrote: I'm not even convinced he used a bump stock. Until the FBI starts answering questions again, holding off on any knee-jerk policy decisions is the right thing to do.
Neither am I, none of the guns in any of the pics they released had one on them that I could tell. Also, the bump stock doesn't do anything that hooking your trigger finger through a belt loop wouldn't do. They are difficult to get the hang of as it's not the stock that does anything, it's the motion of the recoil of the rifle against a stationary trigger finger that causes it to fire more rapidly. You can use a stick to achieve the same effect.
The whole thing about bump fire stocks is that they sound scary.
(10-24-2017 11:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: You can’t convince me of an argument of the need for these large scaled gun clips. This guy had an Arsenal in that room. It’s idiotic to say on one hand what could have stopped this guy and then in the other hand block any legislative efforts for assault weapons ban.
The intent of the post is to tell you the debate is over. You guys won.
Clips? Do you mean magazines? And again, for the upmteenth time, there is already a defacto ban on assault weapons in that the average gun user cannot own one without special criteria being met.
Here, just for you, the difference between a clip and a magazine explained.
(10-24-2017 10:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Three Weeks After Las Vegas, Legislation to Ban Bump Stocks Has Stalled Out in Congress
An effort to ban bump stocks is effectively dead, aides and advocates say. And the NRA isn’t the lone suspect.
Three weeks after the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history, efforts to pass even scaled-down gun-control legislation have effectively stalled on Capitol Hill.
Congressional aides and issue advocates say they see no viable path for passing even the most promising bill: an effort to ban the manufacturing and sale of bump stocks, which were used by the Las Vegas shooter to essentially turn his semi-automatic weapons into fully automatics ones.
“Depressing but not surprising,” is how one senior House Democratic aide put it.
“It’s pathetic,” said another.
The failure of lawmakers to move bump stock legislation comes despite the willingness of several House Republicans to sign on to the measure. A bill introduced by Reps. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL) and Seth Moulton (D-MA) has 20 co-sponsors in total—ten Democratic and ten Republican. But aides say that there is no indication that the House Judiciary Committee is going to consider that bill, or a similar one signed by 173 Democrats. Democrats are expected to ask the Committee’s chairman, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), to address the matter in the week ahead.
Prospects look bleak in the Senate too. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) bill banning bump stocks has 39 Democratic co-sponsors but not one Republican, though an aide said that she is still hopeful that she can convince one to sign on to the measure. Even were she to find a GOP co-sponsor there is no guarantee that the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chuck Grassley (R-IA), would bring the bill up for consideration.
A committee spokesman for Grassley told The Daily Beast that the committee has been briefed about “regulatory and technical issues involving bump stocks” and that they are “evaluating potential regulatory and legislative proposals.”
You realize that you can replicate what a bump stock does by simply looping your trigger finger through your belt loop (to maintain a stable position for the trigger) and fire while applying forward pressure with the hand supporting the front of the gun. There are lots of other ways to do it. Didnt the guy in Fance kill 100 people with a truck? If you want to kill a lot of people I doubt the bump stock ban would make much difference.
That said, Id be fine with banning them. I just dont think it would make much difference.
I should have read the whole thread before explaining this. Good job.
(10-24-2017 11:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: You can’t convince me of an argument of the need for these large scaled gun clips. This guy had an Arsenal in that room. It’s idiotic to say on one hand what could have stopped this guy and then in the other hand block any legislative efforts for assault weapons ban.
The intent of the post is to tell you the debate is over. You guys won.
Clips? Do you mean magazines? And again, for the upmteenth time, there is already a defacto ban on assault weapons in that the average gun user cannot own one without special criteria being met.
Here, just for you, the difference between a clip and a magazine explained.
The upside is that nearly every gun owner in America that has a semi automatic now knows how to do that. The downside is that the knucklehead Liberals were so transparent. The silly bump stock ban was only step one to capacity bans. Screw off.
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