(10-30-2017 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:02 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Why would Frost want the 9th best job in the SEC - unless he wants to be fired after 3-4 years?

People have a funny idea about 'careers' around here. They really think that a G5 coach should think twice about taking a high-profile P5 job because they might fail at it and get fired.

That's like saying a minor league baseball player who is a star with the Toledo Mud-Hens shouldn't accept a call-up to the Cincinnati Reds because, well, in the end he might not be good enough and therefore not 'stick' in the majors. Nobody with even 1/10 of a functioning brain would say that.

Hint: If you spend 3 years as HC at Florida, you (a) become set for life financially, because you will make more money there during that time than you would coaching 10 years at a G5 school, and (b) having a stint as HC at Florida will mean you are eminently employable as a coach - head or assistant - at a billion colleges, even the NFL even if it doesn't work out there.

It's a zero-brainer for a Frost to take the Florida job, if he's offered. That's why Herman left Houston and Taggart left USF. You don't even think once about it.

Facts say otherwise. The salaries, of what UCF will pay to keep Frost vs what he can expect over 3-4 yrs at a mediocre P-5 program (like Ole Miss), is no more than $10-12M, hardly a 10 yr difference.

You do realize that Hugh Freeze was making $4.8m in salary per year at Ole Miss right?

Frost is making $1.7m at UCF.

And the ancillary income potential from endorsements is far greater at a P5 school.

The facts say "ditch UCF/USF/Houston type jobs and take any P5 job you can". That's why people do it.

Actually no that is not what the facts say because any job in the SEC other than AL, UGA, UF, Auburn & LSU are deadends after 3-4 yrs. And fact two is that UCF will likely pay $3.5M to keep him. So he'll get maybe an extra $3-4M at "any" P-5 job in the SEC aside from those I named until he's fired. Likely the same at Neb. - except Neb has no history of paying like the SEC. See Barry Odom for how this plays out.

No facts here, just your opinions - i bolded those for you. BTW, the issue here is Frost/Florida, not Ole Miss, though he'll take the Ole Miss job if offered.

Yes, that's my opinion, but it's a lot better than yours. $3m a year spread says so.

(10-30-2017 02:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  People have a funny idea about 'careers' around here. They really think that a G5 coach should think twice about taking a high-profile P5 job because they might fail at it and get fired.

That's like saying a minor league baseball player who is a star with the Toledo Mud-Hens shouldn't accept a call-up to the Cincinnati Reds because, well, in the end he might not be good enough and therefore not 'stick' in the majors. Nobody with even 1/10 of a functioning brain would say that.

Hint: If you spend 3 years as HC at Florida, you (a) become set for life financially, because you will make more money there during that time than you would coaching 10 years at a G5 school, and (b) having a stint as HC at Florida will mean you are eminently employable as a coach - head or assistant - at a billion colleges, even the NFL even if it doesn't work out there.

It's a zero-brainer for a Frost to take the Florida job, if he's offered. That's why Herman left Houston and Taggart left USF. You don't even think once about it.

Facts say otherwise. The salaries, of what UCF will pay to keep Frost vs what he can expect over 3-4 yrs at a mediocre P-5 program (like Ole Miss), is no more than $10-12M, hardly a 10 yr difference.

You do realize that Hugh Freeze was making $4.8m in salary per year at Ole Miss right?

Frost is making $1.7m at UCF.

And the ancillary income potential from endorsements is far greater at a P5 school.

The facts say "ditch UCF/USF/Houston type jobs and take any P5 job you can". That's why people do it.

That’s why Frost is the current head coach at both Maryland and Syracuse. I’m not saying he won’t leave but there’s more to frost than money. Maybe that’s hard for you to understand.

Weren't Houston fans telling us last year at this time about how Herman was "dedicated" to what he was building at Houston? That you couldn't put a price tag on that kind of thing?

Yep, famous last words.

Like I said in the quote, not saying he doesn’t leave, only that money isn’t as large a factor for Frost as you’re implying.

(10-30-2017 12:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The only way he stays is if he feels any loyalty to his first recruiting class. Milton could be a star in the making and he might not want to abandon that.

There is literally nothing UCF or the fans can do to keep him. (Although it would be nice if we could sell out a couple more games)

I wish there was a way to lock coaches into fufilling their contracts through non-compete clauses or something. I hate how quickly they jump ship. If players aren't allowed to leave and play immediately, coaches shouldn't be able to do so either.

All you can do is set the buyout as high as possible and pray for the best.

Buyouts can be a double edge sword. You either get paid by a P5 to take your coach or you get stuck buying out a coach that really sucks but you need him gone ASAP.

(10-30-2017 02:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  People have a funny idea about 'careers' around here. They really think that a G5 coach should think twice about taking a high-profile P5 job because they might fail at it and get fired.

That's like saying a minor league baseball player who is a star with the Toledo Mud-Hens shouldn't accept a call-up to the Cincinnati Reds because, well, in the end he might not be good enough and therefore not 'stick' in the majors. Nobody with even 1/10 of a functioning brain would say that.

Hint: If you spend 3 years as HC at Florida, you (a) become set for life financially, because you will make more money there during that time than you would coaching 10 years at a G5 school, and (b) having a stint as HC at Florida will mean you are eminently employable as a coach - head or assistant - at a billion colleges, even the NFL even if it doesn't work out there.

It's a zero-brainer for a Frost to take the Florida job, if he's offered. That's why Herman left Houston and Taggart left USF. You don't even think once about it.

Facts say otherwise. The salaries, of what UCF will pay to keep Frost vs what he can expect over 3-4 yrs at a mediocre P-5 program (like Ole Miss), is no more than $10-12M, hardly a 10 yr difference.

You do realize that Hugh Freeze was making $4.8m in salary per year at Ole Miss right?

Frost is making $1.7m at UCF.

And the ancillary income potential from endorsements is far greater at a P5 school.

The facts say "ditch UCF/USF/Houston type jobs and take any P5 job you can". That's why people do it.

Actually no that is not what the facts say because any job in the SEC other than AL, UGA, UF, Auburn & LSU are deadends after 3-4 yrs. And fact two is that UCF will likely pay $3.5M to keep him. So he'll get maybe an extra $3-4M at "any" P-5 job in the SEC aside from those I named until he's fired. Likely the same at Neb. - except Neb has no history of paying like the SEC. See Barry Odom for how this plays out.

No facts here, just your opinions - i bolded those for you. BTW, the issue here is Frost/Florida, not Ole Miss, though he'll take the Ole Miss job if offered.

Yes, that's my opinion, but it's a lot better than yours. $3m a year spread says so.

But there isn't & won't be a $3-4M/yr spread & he won't take an OM job or a UTK job or an aTm job or an AR job. Maybe UF if THERE REALLY WAS a $3-4M/yr difference. But UF won't pay $6-7M/yr for Frost & the other jobs re short-term, deadends.

(10-30-2017 03:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Facts say otherwise. The salaries, of what UCF will pay to keep Frost vs what he can expect over 3-4 yrs at a mediocre P-5 program (like Ole Miss), is no more than $10-12M, hardly a 10 yr difference.

You do realize that Hugh Freeze was making $4.8m in salary per year at Ole Miss right?

Frost is making $1.7m at UCF.

And the ancillary income potential from endorsements is far greater at a P5 school.

The facts say "ditch UCF/USF/Houston type jobs and take any P5 job you can". That's why people do it.

Actually no that is not what the facts say because any job in the SEC other than AL, UGA, UF, Auburn & LSU are deadends after 3-4 yrs. And fact two is that UCF will likely pay $3.5M to keep him. So he'll get maybe an extra $3-4M at "any" P-5 job in the SEC aside from those I named until he's fired. Likely the same at Neb. - except Neb has no history of paying like the SEC. See Barry Odom for how this plays out.

No facts here, just your opinions - i bolded those for you. BTW, the issue here is Frost/Florida, not Ole Miss, though he'll take the Ole Miss job if offered.

Yes, that's my opinion, but it's a lot better than yours. $3m a year spread says so.

But there isn't & won't be a $3-4M/yr spread & he won't take an OM job or a UTK job or an aTm job or an AR job. Maybe UF if THERE REALLY WAS a $3-4M/yr difference. But UF won't pay $6-7M/yr for Frost & the other jobs re short-term, deadends.

You tried to position yourself as the paragon of 'facts' in this exchange, but i exposed you as blowing smoke. The fact is that right now, there REALLY IS a $3m a year gap between what Ole Miss and UCF paid their HC this season.

In contrast, any claims on your part that in the future this gap will shrink in UCF's favor is pure unsupported speculation.

(10-30-2017 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You do realize that Hugh Freeze was making $4.8m in salary per year at Ole Miss right?

Frost is making $1.7m at UCF.

And the ancillary income potential from endorsements is far greater at a P5 school.

The facts say "ditch UCF/USF/Houston type jobs and take any P5 job you can". That's why people do it.

Actually no that is not what the facts say because any job in the SEC other than AL, UGA, UF, Auburn & LSU are deadends after 3-4 yrs. And fact two is that UCF will likely pay $3.5M to keep him. So he'll get maybe an extra $3-4M at "any" P-5 job in the SEC aside from those I named until he's fired. Likely the same at Neb. - except Neb has no history of paying like the SEC. See Barry Odom for how this plays out.

No facts here, just your opinions - i bolded those for you. BTW, the issue here is Frost/Florida, not Ole Miss, though he'll take the Ole Miss job if offered.

Yes, that's my opinion, but it's a lot better than yours. $3m a year spread says so.

But there isn't & won't be a $3-4M/yr spread & he won't take an OM job or a UTK job or an aTm job or an AR job. Maybe UF if THERE REALLY WAS a $3-4M/yr difference. But UF won't pay $6-7M/yr for Frost & the other jobs re short-term, deadends.

You tried to position yourself as the paragon of 'facts' in this exchange, but i exposed you as blowing smoke. The fact is that right now, there REALLY IS a $3m a year gap between what Ole Miss and UCF paid their HC this season.

In contrast, any claims on your part that in the future this gap will shrink in UCF's favor is pure unsupported speculation.

No the "facts" statement was to mock your nonsense above. And you are a comparing an Ole Miss pay from a coach 6 yrs on the job vs Frost who will be offered as much as $3.5M according to media reports at UCF to stay. But you just stick with your "facts" & ignore the Barry Odom firing after this season or next when he's looking for a DC job as the expected future for taking "any P-5 job".

#1 Reason Why Frost Should Stay at UCF:

So all of us can drink quohood tears...

(10-30-2017 08:02 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:57 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I've got coaching friend that brought up Frost in a conversation this weekend. I haven't read the thread so I dont' know if it's come up already, but he thinks Frost is headed to Ole Miss. Florida will reach out, as will TN and Nebraska, but only Ole Miss has the in-state recruiting without a ton of competition.

Why would Frost want the 9th best job in the SEC - unless he wants to be fired after 3-4 years?

Money

Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12. The P5 will expand in the near future and he would have the opportunity to make sure UCF makes the jump. Then he can play for the national title with UCF. That is an accomplishment in itself. And his family would be living in a great climate with tons of activities. I personally feel he will stay at least one more year. I'm hoping the money isn't the most important thing.

(10-30-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Actually no that is not what the facts say because any job in the SEC other than AL, UGA, UF, Auburn & LSU are deadends after 3-4 yrs. And fact two is that UCF will likely pay $3.5M to keep him. So he'll get maybe an extra $3-4M at "any" P-5 job in the SEC aside from those I named until he's fired. Likely the same at Neb. - except Neb has no history of paying like the SEC. See Barry Odom for how this plays out.

No facts here, just your opinions - i bolded those for you. BTW, the issue here is Frost/Florida, not Ole Miss, though he'll take the Ole Miss job if offered.

Yes, that's my opinion, but it's a lot better than yours. $3m a year spread says so.

But there isn't & won't be a $3-4M/yr spread & he won't take an OM job or a UTK job or an aTm job or an AR job. Maybe UF if THERE REALLY WAS a $3-4M/yr difference. But UF won't pay $6-7M/yr for Frost & the other jobs re short-term, deadends.

You tried to position yourself as the paragon of 'facts' in this exchange, but i exposed you as blowing smoke. The fact is that right now, there REALLY IS a $3m a year gap between what Ole Miss and UCF paid their HC this season.

In contrast, any claims on your part that in the future this gap will shrink in UCF's favor is pure unsupported speculation.

No the "facts" statement was to mock your nonsense above.

My "nonsense" which is actually factual, compared with your blather of the past three posts, which isn't? Good Lord.

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12.

If that attitude actually prevailed, Lebron James would be making $3.5 million a year instead of $50 million a year, Roger Federer would be making $3.5 million a year instead of $60 million a year, etc.

Apparently, if you are able to make more, people want to make more. Go figure.

FWIW, I think Frost likely ends up at Nebraska, his home. They'll finally stop trying to coach on the cheap and pony up $5m or so a year, and he'll be gone.

People forget that UNL has been paying coaches on the cheap because since 2011, they haven't been making much money by P5 standards, thanks to the 6-year phase-in deal they signed when they joined the B1G. But as of right now, Fall 2017, they are getting a full share of B1G money, just as that money has jumped to around $40 million a year. They have the cash now.

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12. The P5 will expand in the near future and he would have the opportunity to make sure UCF makes the jump. Then he can play for the national title with UCF. That is an accomplishment in itself. And his family would be living in a great climate with tons of activities. I personally feel he will stay at least one more year. I'm hoping the money isn't the most important thing.

I think some Houston posters wrote the same thing last year. He gone, just a matter of when.

Where are you with Scott Frost leaving?

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Depression
4. Bargaining
5. Acceptance

(10-31-2017 08:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12.

If that attitude actually prevailed, Lebron James would be making $3.5 million a year instead of $50 million a year, Roger Federer would be making $3.5 million a year instead of $60 million a year, etc.

Apparently, if you are able to make more, people want to make more. Go figure.

FWIW, I think Frost likely ends up at Nebraska, his home. They'll finally stop trying to coach on the cheap and pony up $5m or so a year, and he'll be gone.

People forget that UNL has been paying coaches on the cheap because since 2011, they haven't been making much money by P5 standards, thanks to the 6-year phase-in deal they signed when they joined the B1G. But as of right now, Fall 2017, they are getting a full share of B1G money, just as that money has jumped to around $40 million a year. They have the cash now.

You are right that people are looking to increase their pay but you also have to look at the market. 3.5 million is top 20% in the NCAA. 5 million is top 4%. I am not sure that NU is ready to bet 5 million a year on Scott Frost. I think Nebraska throws 4 million at him. Is that enough difference? Maybe. I am not sure any UCF fan believes SF is here to stay forever. But he sure is happy at the moment, he is making good money and has some reasons to stay at least for a little while. I am sure he is concerned about the quality of life issues associated with a job at NU or UF. Will that be enough to keep him from "striking while the iron is hot"? Doubtful, but I don't think it is as simple as getting more money or getting to a National Championship.

(10-31-2017 08:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Where are you with Scott Frost leaving?

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Depression
4. Bargaining
5. Acceptance

4

(10-31-2017 08:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12. The P5 will expand in the near future and he would have the opportunity to make sure UCF makes the jump. Then he can play for the national title with UCF. That is an accomplishment in itself. And his family would be living in a great climate with tons of activities. I personally feel he will stay at least one more year. I'm hoping the money isn't the most important thing.

I think some Houston posters wrote the same thing last year. He gone, just a matter of when.

As Memphis and Houston fans can attest, the most you can hope for is that they stay focused and finished the year strong. Both schools have had what should have been their best seasons ruined by a late season swoon caused by job offers and negotiations.

(10-31-2017 08:50 AM)Cotten Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12. The P5 will expand in the near future and he would have the opportunity to make sure UCF makes the jump. Then he can play for the national title with UCF. That is an accomplishment in itself. And his family would be living in a great climate with tons of activities. I personally feel he will stay at least one more year. I'm hoping the money isn't the most important thing.

I think some Houston posters wrote the same thing last year. He gone, just a matter of when.

As Memphis and Houston fans can attest, the most you can hope for is that they stay focused and finished the year strong. Both schools have had what should have been their best seasons ruined by a late season swoon caused by job offers and negotiations.

So true

I was hoping Frost would stay 2-3 more years, long enough to see his first class graduate

(10-31-2017 08:50 AM)Cotten Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 08:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:28 PM)knightmite Wrote:  Is money the only thing that matters anymore? How much more than $3.5 mil does anyone need to make them happier? At UCF Frost could quite possibly have job security for a much longer period of time as long as he doesn't go 0 for 12. The P5 will expand in the near future and he would have the opportunity to make sure UCF makes the jump. Then he can play for the national title with UCF. That is an accomplishment in itself. And his family would be living in a great climate with tons of activities. I personally feel he will stay at least one more year. I'm hoping the money isn't the most important thing.

I think some Houston posters wrote the same thing last year. He gone, just a matter of when.

As Memphis and Houston fans can attest, the most you can hope for is that they stay focused and finished the year strong. Both schools have had what should have been their best seasons ruined by a late season swoon caused by job offers and negotiations.

That's where I'm at. If he leaves in January I'll be disappointed but understanding. He's got to do what he thinks is right for his family.

But it's slimy to abandon those 85 kids mid-season while they are busting their ass for you every day. You're getting this new dream job because of THEIR efforts. The least you can do is stick with them through the end of the season.

He gone....