(10-23-2017 12:44 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  11-18 vs the Bearcats
0-3 VS Temple
10-10 vs Memphis
0-1 VS UConn
4-5 VS SMU
57-58 VS Tulsa
16-8 VS Houston

I may have missed one or two, but you get the gist of the records.

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

The Shockers have played very, very well the last decade or so. We're very happy to have them in the conference. Comparisons to Kentucky and Kansas right out of the box come off as arrogant, however.

History says that there will eventually be a settling point somewhere around Tulsa and Memphis...above Houston, but trailing Cincy.

Good opinion .. I disagree, but still your opinion.

(10-23-2017 12:44 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  11-18 vs the Bearcats
0-3 VS Temple
10-10 vs Memphis
0-1 VS UConn
4-5 VS SMU
57-58 VS Tulsa
16-8 VS Houston

I may have missed one or two, but you get the gist of the records.

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

The Shockers have played very, very well the last decade or so. We're very happy to have them in the conference. Comparisons to Kentucky and Kansas right out of the box come off as arrogant, however.

History says that there will eventually be a settling point somewhere around Tulsa and Memphis...above Houston, but trailing Cincy.

Unfortunately we haven't had a chance to gain on a lot of those records because all but one either can't get to the Dance or can't get out of the first round. Had you been in our conference I assure you we would have gained nicely.

Nobody compared us to Kentucky and K|Uck historically. Reading comprehension is your friend. Slow down and reread what I said. I confess I often post things in such a way as to elicit differing viewpoints... ...but this comment was not ambigous. I was clearly referring to next year or years recently.


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Has Hitachi State started league play in any other AAC sports?

(10-23-2017 01:58 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Has Hitachi State started league play in any other AAC sports?

http://csnbbs.com/thread-829590.html

(10-23-2017 12:48 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 12:44 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  11-18 vs the Bearcats
0-3 VS Temple
10-10 vs Memphis
0-1 VS UConn
4-5 VS SMU
57-58 VS Tulsa
16-8 VS Houston

I may have missed one or two, but you get the gist of the records.

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

The Shockers have played very, very well the last decade or so. We're very happy to have them in the conference. Comparisons to Kentucky and Kansas right out of the box come off as arrogant, however.

History says that there will eventually be a settling point somewhere around Tulsa and Memphis...above Houston, but trailing Cincy.

Good opinion .. I disagree, but still your opinion.

Wasn't my opinion, I merely stated what "history says ......eventuall.........".

Results may differ.

(10-23-2017 01:58 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Has Hitachi State started league play in any other AAC sports?

Volleyball is 10-0 in league play. I imagine Shocker women's basketball is going to be credited with our first loss in the league. They might not even win a game in the league.

Who?

(10-23-2017 02:04 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 01:58 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Has Hitachi State started league play in any other AAC sports?

Volleyball is 10-0 in league play. I imagine Shocker women's basketball is going to be credited with our first loss in the league. They might not even win a game in the league.

That one is going to be rough. I'm sure we'll hear lots of "seeeeeeeeee, we told you" despite the fact no one is claiming the women's bball team will be good.

I think to be a "national power" you either have to put together a title run or two, or become a consistent final four threat. There's probably only about 10-15 real "national powers" (Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Mich St., KU, DUKE, NC, Wisconsin, Villanova, Louisville, and maybe a few others). I don't think WSU belongs in that category yet but now that they've moved into the AAC they may be able to ascend to that level. Personally I'm hoping they do because I believe it would have a ripple effect on the rest of the conference.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-no-1-team

Quote:Just because Wichita State won't actually be No. 1 in any preseason poll doesn't mean the Shockers don't have a very good case for that honor.

Never mind the No. 10 seed (I still can't type that with a straight face) that Gregg Marshall's team was given by the NCAA in March. The facts of the matter are plain: Wichita State was one of the best teams in the country last season, and now the Shockers have, effectively, everyone coming back.

(10-23-2017 02:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think to be a "national power" you either have to put together a title run or two, or become a consistent final four threat. There's probably only about 10-15 real "national powers" (Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Mich St., KU, DUKE, NC, Wisconsin, Villanova, Louisville, and maybe a few others). I don't think WSU belongs in that category yet but now that they've moved into the AAC they may be able to ascend to that level. Personally I'm hoping they do because I believe it would have a ripple effect on the rest of the conference.

While I don't necessarily agree with all of your "national powers", for the most part I can understand the idea behind them. And I appreciate an actual basketball take breaking up the monotony of all the pissing contests.

(10-23-2017 02:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think to be a "national power" you either have to put together a title run or two, or become a consistent final four threat. There's probably only about 10-15 real "national powers" (Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Mich St., KU, DUKE, NC, Wisconsin, Villanova, Louisville, and maybe a few others). I don't think WSU belongs in that category yet but now that they've moved into the AAC they may be able to ascend to that level. Personally I'm hoping they do because I believe it would have a ripple effect on the rest of the conference.

Wisconsin?

(10-23-2017 02:52 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 02:31 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I think to be a "national power" you either have to put together a title run or two, or become a consistent final four threat. There's probably only about 10-15 real "national powers" (Kentucky, UCLA, Arizona, Mich St., KU, DUKE, NC, Wisconsin, Villanova, Louisville, and maybe a few others). I don't think WSU belongs in that category yet but now that they've moved into the AAC they may be able to ascend to that level. Personally I'm hoping they do because I believe it would have a ripple effect on the rest of the conference.

Wisconsin?

They may be a stretch, but recently they've been a top 20 program. Multiple final fours and sweet sixteens in the last 5 years and 18 consecutive tourney appearances.

(10-23-2017 02:41 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-no-1-team

Quote:Just because Wichita State won't actually be No. 1 in any preseason poll doesn't mean the Shockers don't have a very good case for that honor.

Never mind the No. 10 seed (I still can't type that with a straight face) that Gregg Marshall's team was given by the NCAA in March. The facts of the matter are plain: Wichita State was one of the best teams in the country last season, and now the Shockers have, effectively, everyone coming back.

"Jerry Edwards · The University of Kansas
No good reasons why? I’ll give you 10.
1) No NBA Talent
2) Hardly any of these players would start for a major university
3) No team that played in the MVC last year or ever would start the season ranked No.1
4) The American Conference is not elite. It’s the old C-USA with UConn,Temple and Cincy.
5) The last time you ran the table you lost in the 2nd Round to Kentucky.
6) You failed to make the Sweet 16 last year.
7) Have failed to make an Elite 8 since 2013 (And those teams had more talent than this one)
8) Teams above you are also returning key players, making you not special in that regard.
9) The only reason you care about seeding is that you don’t want to face a team like Kentucky in the 2nd round, because it’s to hard.
10) Your Wichita State."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co.../31214251/

Quote:The slate, which was announced Thursday, features the Pirates’ most attractive non-league home game in many years. National power Wichita State comes to the Prudential Center on Dec. 19, a return visit for last year’s trip to Wichita, Kansas.

http://www.wsou.net/news/tenkeystosetonhallgeorgia.cfm

Quote:This is especially important after the Pirates were controlled in their toughest road test by national power Wichita State, 77-68.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Quote:The Ramblers finished last season 10-22 overall, 4-14 in the MVC. It was Loyola's first season in the highly competitive Valley, which boasts national power Wichita State.

http://www.csusports.com/sports/mbkb/201...1112vfnq00

Quote:CSU set to open year Friday at national power Wichita State

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20306...n-position

Quote:Marshall, 51, has built the Shockers program from perpetual mediocrity in the Missouri Valley Conference into a burgeoning national power.

http://appstatesports.com/news/1970/1/1/...print=true

Quote: The home opener versus Southern Conference-rival Davidson, a home date with national-power Wichita State

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ew-league/

Quote:Yes, this move will include all of Wichita State’s sports. But it’s obviously rooted in the school’s desire to play in a better men’s basketball league now that the Shockers have made six straight NCAA Tournaments and established themselves as a national power -- most notably while reaching the 2013 Final Four. They’ve averaged 30.4 wins the past five seasons and advanced in the NCAA Tournament each year.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsunews&p=/top10_hoops/

Quote:Wichita State continued to cement its place as a national power in NCAA men’s basketball in 2015.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/.../83501690/

Quote:WE BREAK DOWN HOW WICHITA STATE BECAME A NATIONAL POWER

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

Quote:Waving signs that applauded their unblemished record, fans packed inside Koch Arena serenaded a senior class led by Early that managed to elevate the program from a solid mid-major into a national power in the midst of a memorable season.

http://theamerican.org/news/2017/4/12/MB...ath=mbball

Quote:But Shockers' coach Gregg Marshall, who arrived at Wichita in 2007, has taken the program to new heights, coaching the Shockers to a 261-90 record (.744) in 11 years. He has reestablished the Shockers as a regional and national power

http://www.kwch.com/content/sports/AAC-W...35851.html

Quote:Wichita State’s basketball program is the bait on the hook. The addition of the Shockers would instantly bolster the American Athletic Conference into one of the elite basketball conferences in the nation. The Shockers resume of success is lined with 13 NCAA tournament appearances. In the past four seasons, head coach Gregg Marshall has architected a 35-1 season, as well as a Final 4 and Sweet 16 appearance. They are no mid-major. They are a nationally relevant program, capable of competing with the Power 5 and they are powerful.

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20151111/SPORTS/151119847

Quote:“Wichita State has raised the profile of the league, but they’ve also raised the bar inside the league,” Elgin said. “Coaches’ compensation has improved, practice facilities have been improved. You can’t really overstate what the rise of the Shockers as a national power means. They’ve kept our league in the national focus. They beat Indiana and Kansas in a weekend last March. And there is enough depth on Gregg Marshall’s roster that the program will be healthy for a long time.”

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...n-athletic

Quote:Wichita State’s duality as a dominant national program from outside of a power conference is becoming an increasing anomaly. The Shockers may play in the Missouri Valley Conference, but they have a national brand, a consistently packed arena and they pay coach Gregg Marshall well over $3 million per year. Essentially, everything about them aside from their league schedule and the respect from the NCAA selection committee is high-major.

https://dailyegyptian.com/68270/sports/w...ri-valley/

Quote:Wichita State has risen to a national power in some sports, and a conference power in all. In the six sports it holds teams for both men and women — baseball/softball, basketball, cross country, golf, tennis, and track and field — as well as women’s volleyball, the school has collected a total of 51 MVC championships in just the last 10 years.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...57780.html

Quote:Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has tried to publicly goad Kansas into agreeing to a home-and-home series for the past couple years to no avail. Kansas coach Bill Self feels his program has nothing to gain by deviating from his longstanding policy of not scheduling the Shockers even as they have ascended from quality mid-major to budding national power.

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Incidentally... I searched "National Power + Tulsa" and got bupkis.

P.S. Please don't shoot the messenger. I'm just here to serve.


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I'd say all 8 programs with 3 or more national championships can legitimately claim to be national powers. UCLA (11) Kentucky (8) North Carolina (6) Duke (5) Indiana (5) Connecticut (4) Kansas (3) Louisville (3). Other than that, it's up for debate. I wouldn't call any school without one a national power though.

(10-23-2017 03:20 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I'd say all 8 programs with 3 or more national championships can legitimately claim to be national powers. UCLA (11) Kentucky (8) North Carolina (6) Duke (5) Indiana (5) Connecticut (4) Kansas (3) Louisville (3). Other than that, it's up for debate. I wouldn't call any school without one a national power though.

That's why I questioned the other poster who included Wisconsin on their list.

Wichita State isn't a National Power for the same reason Tulsa isn't... The majority of your recent success has been predicated on one guy. Much like VCU (Smart) , Gonzaga (Few), and Butler (Stevens). I know Marshall doesn't look like he's going anywhere... but if he should so happen to leave someday, it's not a guarantee that WSU would continue at anywhere near the level they were. The only schools that have achieved that extended period of prolonged success under multiple coaches. Only exeption: Duke.

(10-23-2017 03:37 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Wichita State isn't a National Power for the same reason Tulsa isn't... The majority of your recent success has been predicated on one guy. Much like VCU (Smart) , Gonzaga (Few), and Butler (Stevens). I know Marshall doesn't look like he's going anywhere... but if he should so happen to leave someday, it's not a guarantee that WSU would continue at anywhere near the level they were. The only schools that have achieved that extended period of prolonged success under multiple coaches. Only exeption: Duke.

One of the links provided had a news source calling us a national power in 2006 under Turgeon albeit undeservedly. We followed Turgeon with Marshall and one day we'll follow Marshall with another solid coach.

The difference between Tulsa and Wichita is Tulsa reaches the Sweet 16 and they promptly lose their entire coaching staff and slide into the abyss. When Wichita State reaches the Sweet 16 they continue to build on that success parlaying it into a Final Four quality coach. Then we make the coach the top 10 highest paid in the country giving him little reason to leave. Even a job-hopping turncoat like Turgeon stayed a season after his Sweet 16 against the advisement of all his ChicKUnhawk buddies because the job, and more importantly the people, are just that special.


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