Great article! What if? What if Broome turns out to be the best player on the team? It’s possible. Imagine how good this team will be! I know. Wishful thinkin’...
Excellent article. Just reading about the drastic difference in pace Broom was accustomed to at SH compared to how Mick's teams have played every single year makes me think they'll be a larger learning curve than many think here at the beginning.
Can Mick live with a couple extra turnovers a game if it means we'll net an extra 4 or 5 possessions and plenty of easy fast break points due to a new, faster pace? I hope (and think) so.
This year will provide great context for how adaptable Cronin is from a coaching standpoint.
(10-23-2017 06:57 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: Excellent article. Just reading about the drastic difference in pace Broom was accustomed to at SH compared to how Mick's teams have played every single year makes me think they'll be a larger learning curve than many think here at the beginning.
Can Mick live with a couple extra turnovers a game if it means we'll net an extra 4 or 5 possessions and plenty of easy fast break points due to a new, faster pace? I hope (and think) so.
This year will provide great context for how adaptable Cronin is from a coaching standpoint.
Excellent summary and I'm inclined to agree. I don't think this transition will be as easy for Mick and his experienced players as some believe. While I'm not convinced it will require a complete metamorphosis in style of play, many of the losses in recent years have come down to a few possessions. Starting and scoring on just a half dozen more fast breaks per game should translate to more wins, even with Mick's established strategy for the offensive pace of the game.
My guess is we won't play as fast as many on here want, but we will get more in transition this year and run more often. When the initial transition attempt doesn't work my guess is you'll still see a disciplined half court offense. They were effective in it last year and have the kind of weapons that can play well in the half court. I expect the Bearcats to run more for easy buckets, but continue to be a patient, deliberate team when they are in the half court offense. I'm good with both of those things.
Cronin has the athletes to do this though. He's not going to change his philosophy on either end of the court (methodical half court offense, solid pressing defense) but, with athleticism going 8 or 9 deep, Cronin will run more (remember how much more athletic UCLA's team was than UC). He also still says defense first. Broome will play D the way Cronin wants him to play or he will be watching. I don't think you will see Broome watching much though. Broome will help this UC team evolve into a higher tempo team and Cronin will help make Broome a more well rounded player. This is going to be an exciting year and a hint at the way Cronin's teams will play going forward.
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2017 07:32 AM by bearcatdp.)
With Kyle and Gary I think we might not be green light running all the time. We'll certainly play faster but don't want to play at a pace that Gary can't be effective at for 30+ minutes.
It's a bad article because it's based on bad stats.
Under Cronin we were a top 20 team offensive rebounding eff. If you get offensive rebounds according to KenPom, you play slower, his tempo stats are idiotic in my opinion.
A team that shoots the ball after 23 secs, and the other team gets the defensive rebound; plays faster than the team that shoots the ball after 21 secs, gets the offensive rebound and scores 5 seconds later. If you're going to do a macro stat for pace of play, a team should not be penalized for offensive rebounds and rewarded for turnovers. It'd be much better to treat a team like a sample, and judge pace of play, on beginning of possession to first shot taken, and eliminate turnovers and offensive rebounds all together, and use half the possessions to judge a teams true pace of play.
(10-23-2017 10:39 AM)ucbrownsfan Wrote: It's a bad article because it's based on bad stats.
Under Cronin we were a top 20 team offensive rebounding eff. If you get offensive rebounds according to KenPom, you play slower, his tempo stats are idiotic in my opinion.
A team that shoots the ball after 23 secs, and the other team gets the defensive rebound; plays faster than the team that shoots the ball after 21 secs, gets the offensive rebound and scores 5 seconds later. If you're going to do a macro stat for pace of play, a team should not be penalized for offensive rebounds and rewarded for turnovers. It'd be much better to treat a team like a sample, and judge pace of play, on beginning of possession to first shot taken, and eliminate turnovers and offensive rebounds all together, and use half the possessions to judge a teams true pace of play.
It seems lately our teams have been studying opposing teams tendency's when it comes to passing in the half court. I look for that to continue for Evans, Cumberland and Broome for some easy layups on the other end.
(10-23-2017 10:22 AM)doss2 Wrote: Has anyone heard where, if anywhere, the BIG Q has landed?
You would think a player of his size and with his shot would be picked up fast.
I really wonder if Quadri Moore will make that much of an impact unless he transfers to a Div. 2 or NAIA school. He wasn't that much of a hustler/defensive / rebounding player. But if a team lets him shoot at will, he'll probably average over 20 at a small school.
Best of luck to Quadri. He provided a few good moments for us.
at what point does it click that a highly regarded talent is in way over his head? i'd transfer to a smaller more highly regarded university tear sh!t up and walk away with a better piece of paper (on paper). bmoc represent
(10-28-2017 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote: at what point does it click that a highly regarded talent is in way over his head? i'd transfer to a smaller more highly regarded university tear sh!t up and walk away with a better piece of paper (on paper). bmoc represent
In Moore's case, he wasn't some low ranking recruit. It's not often you get bigs that are as offensively gifted as he is.
He struggled here initially, because high level college basketball isn't just one man dribbling going ISO against the whole defense.
He had the same sort of awareness/positioning problems an defense as well. To be fair to him though, I think he improved and don't actually believe he's a bad college player at all. I just think we have a lot of very talented hyper athletic and offensively capable bigs here already. The fact he's transferring out, when he's better than a lot of smaller schools power forwards, just goes to show how skilled our kids really are.
I was watching some highlights of Nysier Brooks and Tre Scott on youtube earlier
You'll notice in both cases, they're very heady players.
They know to attack and how to get defenders off the ground before they go to the basket.
Around the 32 second mark, Brooks knows how to roll to his shoulder farthest from the defense for a jump hook. He also later shoots a shot with his right hand. A big who's a project can't always score with both hands. Then at around 52 seconds, he blocks a driving player with his left, while in the air no less, because it's the closest and his length allows him too. He's also blocked with his right hand as well, most post players just use their dominant hand. You add to that the fact that he's nearly 7 feet tall and built like a brick shithouse and can still sail to the bucket, I mean just ridiculous leaping ability for someone of that size... The kid is only a frosh, I think he has a ridiculous deal of talent and potential.
In Scott's case, he can out-right sky for the block, play the pick and roll as well as anyone we've had in a long time and runs like a gazelle.
None of the bigs we've had recently, have been scrubs.
I don't think Quad is going to have a problem making an impact where every he goes.
I still remember when Guyn left and had a monster season. Hopefully, he does the same.
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2017 02:44 PM by Recluse1.)
(10-28-2017 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote: at what point does it click that a highly regarded talent is in way over his head? i'd transfer to a smaller more highly regarded university tear sh!t up and walk away with a better piece of paper (on paper). bmoc represent
In Moore's case, he wasn't some low ranking recruit. It's not often you get bigs that are as offensively gifted as he is.
He struggled here initially, because high level college basketball isn't just one man dribbling going ISO against the whole defense.
He had the same sort of awareness/positioning problems an defense as well. To be fair to him though, I think he improved and don't actually believe he's a bad college player at all. I just think we have a lot of very talented hyper athletic and offensively capable bigs here already. The fact he's transferring out, when he's better than a lot of smaller schools power forwards, just goes to show how skilled our kids really are.
I was watching some highlights of Nysier Brooks and Tre Scott on youtube earlier
You'll notice in both cases, they're very heady players.
They know to attack and how to get defenders off the ground before they go to the basket.
Around the 32 second mark, Brooks knows how to roll to his shoulder farthest from the defense for a jump hook. He also later shoots a shot with his right hand. A big who's a project can't always score with both hands. Then at around 52 seconds, he blocks a driving player with his left, while in the air no less, because it's the closest and his length allows him too. He's also blocked with his right hand as well, most post players just use their dominant hand. You add to that the fact that he's nearly 7 feet tall and built like a brick shithouse and can still sail to the bucket, I mean just ridiculous leaping ability for someone of that size... The kid is only a frosh, I think he has a ridiculous deal of talent and potential.
In Scott's case, he can out-right sky for the block, play the pick and roll as well as anyone we've had in a long time and runs like a gazelle.
None of the bigs we've had recently, have been scrubs.
I don't think Quad is going to have a problem making an impact where every he goes.
I still remember when Guyn left and had a monster season. Hopefully, he does the same.
Interesting analysis. I wonder though - is being ambidextrous on D so rare any more? Maybe 20 years ago it was rare.
My brother coaches 8th graders and I helped him at a practice last year. He had the forwards & centers practice blocking shots with both hands. (these kids were really good players)
(10-29-2017 06:21 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: Interesting analysis. I wonder though - is being ambidextrous on D so rare any more? Maybe 20 years ago it was rare.
My brother coaches 8th graders and I helped him at a practice last year. He had the forwards & centers practice blocking shots with both hands. (these kids were really good players)
It's not as common as it should be. A lot of shotblockers, even today, use their dominant hand. The reason is obviously just our natural reaction to what's happening in front of us. in that regard, I'm not shocked to hear of people emphasizing it. When people do it instinctually, it's because they've had a lot of repetition. I think Brooks is already a very well versed player. You add to that his physical attributes and athleticism, he's going to be special for us.
We've had several years of solid, well rounded players inside. I remember with Mbodj, Gaines and Nysarsuk; we were counting on them developing as projects. We've since had Clark, Ellis, Deberry, Washington etc.
(This post was last modified: 10-29-2017 07:37 PM by Recluse1.)
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