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RE: MHver3 rises like a phoenix....more realignment talk
(10-19-2017 05:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 11:40 AM)orangefan Wrote:  He is correct about one thing, expansion isn't dead. It never ends. It has been a constant throughout the history of college sports. Also, the consolidation of conferences is generally consistent with what we are constantly seeing in large business - basically the number of entities in the market shrinks until a few large competitors are able to exercise dominance, generate profit margins that exceed those available in a more competitive market, but without reaching monopolistic levels.

Moving forward, I would look for the stronger/more financially stable conferences to continue to pick off schools where there is an opportunity to improve their attractiveness for television. This will continue to be successful when the targeted schools feels vulnerable.

The most likely future expansion scenario in my view is the Pac 12 targeting members of the Big 12. They have done so previously. Further, both the Big 12 and Pac 12 have an insufficient population base within their footprint to match the the B1G and SEC for success with a conference TV network. Finally, the P12 lacks inventory that can be shown in early afternoon time slots in the East.

Oh alignment isn't dead. But it is probably dead for a while, at least until the playoff deal comes up for renegotiation. I expect the P5 to perhaps contract, not expand when that happens.

And its not about TV markets, but actual eyeballs going forward. Either you're Michigan and will have the eyeballs no matter what you do, or you better win so that you retain your eyeballs.

If Oklahoma State could potentially be in danger.....BYU isn't even in the picture. Try matching up a slot between Kansas State and BYU. How about TCU and BYU. How about Tech and BYU. BYU loses out every time. And then you have the Wake Forests and Vanderbilts and Kansas and Boston College and Ole Miss teams and Rutgers and WVU and Indiana teams. They might not be great football programs but they provide benefits in other sports/markets. BYU is really going to have a challenge. And lets face it, they're in a undesirable recruiting area, and have no real recent resume of football success to bolster their argument. And that's before they get to the fit issues.

I think we get it after umpteen posts......you obviously have an agenda against BYU.

Ok...what does BYU provide any P5 conference?

Football product? Its average for a P5 at best.
Help with recruiting? Nope.
Incremental income? Nope.
Market support? Very little.
Other sports? Pretty much an extra expense

BTW, you really cant assume that BYU would enjoy more support from the LDS Membership as a P5. LDS sports fans aren't a monolith and plenty of them root for Utes or other teams. That wouldn't change if BYU got into the P5.

Make the case for BYU inclusion.I'm all ears.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I couldn't care less. You seem to be obsessed with BYU. Why not give it a rest.
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RE: MHver3 rises like a phoenix....more realignment talk
(10-19-2017 08:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 11:40 AM)orangefan Wrote:  He is correct about one thing, expansion isn't dead. It never ends. It has been a constant throughout the history of college sports. Also, the consolidation of conferences is generally consistent with what we are constantly seeing in large business - basically the number of entities in the market shrinks until a few large competitors are able to exercise dominance, generate profit margins that exceed those available in a more competitive market, but without reaching monopolistic levels.

Moving forward, I would look for the stronger/more financially stable conferences to continue to pick off schools where there is an opportunity to improve their attractiveness for television. This will continue to be successful when the targeted schools feels vulnerable.

The most likely future expansion scenario in my view is the Pac 12 targeting members of the Big 12. They have done so previously. Further, both the Big 12 and Pac 12 have an insufficient population base within their footprint to match the the B1G and SEC for success with a conference TV network. Finally, the P12 lacks inventory that can be shown in early afternoon time slots in the East.

Oh alignment isn't dead. But it is probably dead for a while, at least until the playoff deal comes up for renegotiation. I expect the P5 to perhaps contract, not expand when that happens.

And its not about TV markets, but actual eyeballs going forward. Either you're Michigan and will have the eyeballs no matter what you do, or you better win so that you retain your eyeballs.

If Oklahoma State could potentially be in danger.....BYU isn't even in the picture. Try matching up a slot between Kansas State and BYU. How about TCU and BYU. How about Tech and BYU. BYU loses out every time. And then you have the Wake Forests and Vanderbilts and Kansas and Boston College and Ole Miss teams and Rutgers and WVU and Indiana teams. They might not be great football programs but they provide benefits in other sports/markets. BYU is really going to have a challenge. And lets face it, they're in a undesirable recruiting area, and have no real recent resume of football success to bolster their argument. And that's before they get to the fit issues.

I think we get it after umpteen posts......you obviously have an agenda against BYU.

Ok...what does BYU provide any P5 conference?

Football product? Its average for a P5 at best.
Help with recruiting? Nope.
Incremental income? Nope.
Market support? Very little.
Other sports? Pretty much an extra expense

BTW, you really cant assume that BYU would enjoy more support from the LDS Membership as a P5. LDS sports fans aren't a monolith and plenty of them root for Utes or other teams. That wouldn't change if BYU got into the P5.

Make the case for BYU inclusion.I'm all ears.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I couldn't care less. You seem to be obsessed with BYU. Why not give it a rest.
Host byu in your stadium and you will be shocked. Those who cheer for the other teams suddenly have blue shirts on.
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I really believe that the ACC could lose a few schools since every single one of their games in everything is controlled by ESPN until the year 3535.
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The Dude is sitting back chuckling at the amount of derp his derp theories are generating on forums such as here.
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RE: MHver3 rises like a phoenix....more realignment talk
(10-19-2017 11:33 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  The Dude is sitting back chuckling at the amount of derp his derp theories are generating on forums such as here.

You've got it backwards. He reads Land Thieves, Shaggy Texas (where Tuxedo Yoda once hung out), CSNbbs, listens to other twitterati mixes it into his own Frankenstein of theory and then goes public. He's been doing it for almost 10 years now counting the lead up to the 2010-1 stuff. He and the Dude once read Leather Helmet Blog and MR. SEC back in the day and would concoct theories out of some of the imaginative posts. Some of their conference call interviews were with blog site progenitors that I happened to know. The whole deal was a few guys who if they had connections they weren't like any at the universities where connections were to be had. One would present a theory as rumor (fact) another would support it, another would question it, and they made it all look real.

When the SEC jet flew into West Virginia for a meeting at the Greenbriar with members of your school the Dude found it on the flight tracker and turned it into secret SEC meetings with W.V.U.

The difference is that places like this one acknowledge that the threads are all speculative. These dipshits package it as fact based on an anonymous (fictitious) source and then fling it to the breeze to see what sticks. How many athletic department insiders actually talk? And the number of those inside a president's office talk even less. And most rumors attributed to an A.D. are from boosters who talk their pet theory to the A.D. who then smiles and nods but does not disagree. It keeps the money donor happy, who then passes his own theory off to his buddies as having been confirmed by the A.D.

Talks go on all of the time. Those that lead nowhere are forgotten and treated as if they never happened. Nobody wants to get hit with a tortuous interference suit.

These clowns sources are posts or blogs they've read by Frank the Tank, He1nous, and several posters here including me, and a few I know at Land Thieves and Shaggy.

The only thing the Dude and MHver sit back to do is count their hits so the advertisers can cut them a check. You can toss Fluguar into that category as well. Big 10 Man??? That's worth a LOL. But then when he has a running twitter war with the Dude and MHver3 that tells you all you need to know. The dude once claimed a source at BuckNuts. Really?

But I'll cut you some slack just in case you are part of the Virginia Tech realignment board. Those guys over there have to be the masters of circular logic. They've posted the same things over and over, debated them and come to the same specious conclusions every time. They make the same false assumptions about the SEC and Big 10 repeat the same hackneyed pithy put downs and never post facts.

Sort of like your T1, T2, T3, IMG stuff. Just go to a site pinned at the top of the SEC board and peruse the annual numbers. There is a link there to a site that breaks down the revenue by category (using sublinks) to show the Gross Total Revenue and how it is broken down and whether are not there are subsidies, and they do it for every school. I think it's linked in one of the P5 threads in the subforum on this page. Wedge posted it originally and it should be part of the realignment junkies tools.
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RE: MHver3 rises like a phoenix....more realignment talk
(10-19-2017 08:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 11:40 AM)orangefan Wrote:  He is correct about one thing, expansion isn't dead. It never ends. It has been a constant throughout the history of college sports. Also, the consolidation of conferences is generally consistent with what we are constantly seeing in large business - basically the number of entities in the market shrinks until a few large competitors are able to exercise dominance, generate profit margins that exceed those available in a more competitive market, but without reaching monopolistic levels.

Moving forward, I would look for the stronger/more financially stable conferences to continue to pick off schools where there is an opportunity to improve their attractiveness for television. This will continue to be successful when the targeted schools feels vulnerable.

The most likely future expansion scenario in my view is the Pac 12 targeting members of the Big 12. They have done so previously. Further, both the Big 12 and Pac 12 have an insufficient population base within their footprint to match the the B1G and SEC for success with a conference TV network. Finally, the P12 lacks inventory that can be shown in early afternoon time slots in the East.

Oh alignment isn't dead. But it is probably dead for a while, at least until the playoff deal comes up for renegotiation. I expect the P5 to perhaps contract, not expand when that happens.

And its not about TV markets, but actual eyeballs going forward. Either you're Michigan and will have the eyeballs no matter what you do, or you better win so that you retain your eyeballs.

If Oklahoma State could potentially be in danger.....BYU isn't even in the picture. Try matching up a slot between Kansas State and BYU. How about TCU and BYU. How about Tech and BYU. BYU loses out every time. And then you have the Wake Forests and Vanderbilts and Kansas and Boston College and Ole Miss teams and Rutgers and WVU and Indiana teams. They might not be great football programs but they provide benefits in other sports/markets. BYU is really going to have a challenge. And lets face it, they're in a undesirable recruiting area, and have no real recent resume of football success to bolster their argument. And that's before they get to the fit issues.

I think we get it after umpteen posts......you obviously have an agenda against BYU.

Ok...what does BYU provide any P5 conference?

Football product? Its average for a P5 at best.
Help with recruiting? Nope.
Incremental income? Nope.
Market support? Very little.
Other sports? Pretty much an extra expense

BTW, you really cant assume that BYU would enjoy more support from the LDS Membership as a P5. LDS sports fans aren't a monolith and plenty of them root for Utes or other teams. That wouldn't change if BYU got into the P5.

Make the case for BYU inclusion.I'm all ears.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I couldn't care less. You seem to be obsessed with BYU. Why not give it a rest.

So, okay....you don't dispute my logic, just try to attack me for commenting. Noted.

Now back to my assertion. The original OP was concerned primarily upon the assertion that BYU was back in the mix for an upgrade. I simply pointed out that BYU does not really provide much to any of the existing P5 conferences in the areas of

1) football success - not even close to competing with TCU or even Boise
2) fan support - they have fans, but its midrange to low P5 levels at best
3) additional recruiting benefits for the existing members - the Intermountain West isn't a recruiting hotbed and few, if any, P5 teams other than Utah bother to recruit there
4) markets - Markets have been overblown, but they still matter. Salt Lake is a real market, and it has some value, but its not really a focus for any conference other than the Pac12, and they have the real prize in that market already, which is Utah
5) potential - BYU, to their credit, has maxed out its support. That being said, that 'max' is below the level that would cause a P5 conference to rationally say "we gotta have BYU"
6) other sports - For every other P5 conference but the Pac12 (which isn't taking BYU), BYU is just an expensive road trip to another time zone.

And then there's the Sunday sports, the history of prima donna behavior in their own conference and the fit issue. But even without these issues, I don't see how BYU fits the profile of a P5 moveup.

In short, BYU isn't going to any P5 unless there is a P5 that is absolutely desperate and a shadow of what the conference is at present.

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I think you might wish to attempt to stay on topic and simply not attack other posters.
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RE: MHver3 rises like a phoenix....more realignment talk
(10-20-2017 12:16 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 11:33 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  The Dude is sitting back chuckling at the amount of derp his derp theories are generating on forums such as here.

You've got it backwards. He reads Land Thieves, Shaggy Texas (where Tuxedo Yoda once hung out), CSNbbs, listens to other twitterati mixes it into his own Frankenstein of theory and then goes public. He's been doing it for almost 10 years now counting the lead up to the 2010-1 stuff. He and the Dude once read Leather Helmet Blog and MR. SEC back in the day and would concoct theories out of some of the imaginative posts. Some of their conference call interviews were with blog site progenitors that I happened to know. The whole deal was a few guys who if they had connections they weren't like any at the universities where connections were to be had. One would present a theory as rumor (fact) another would support it, another would question it, and they made it all look real.

When the SEC jet flew into West Virginia for a meeting at the Greenbriar with members of your school the Dude found it on the flight tracker and turned it into secret SEC meetings with W.V.U.

The difference is that places like this one acknowledge that the threads are all speculative. These dipshits package it as fact based on an anonymous (fictitious) source and then fling it to the breeze to see what sticks. How many athletic department insiders actually talk? And the number of those inside a president's office talk even less. And most rumors attributed to an A.D. are from boosters who talk their pet theory to the A.D. who then smiles and nods but does not disagree. It keeps the money donor happy, who then passes his own theory off to his buddies as having been confirmed by the A.D.

Talks go on all of the time. Those that lead nowhere are forgotten and treated as if they never happened. Nobody wants to get hit with a tortuous interference suit.

These clowns sources are posts or blogs they've read by Frank the Tank, He1nous, and several posters here including me, and a few I know at Land Thieves and Shaggy.

The only thing the Dude and MHver sit back to do is count their hits so the advertisers can cut them a check. You can toss Fluguar into that category as well. Big 10 Man??? That's worth a LOL. But then when he has a running twitter war with the Dude and MHver3 that tells you all you need to know. The dude once claimed a source at BuckNuts. Really?

But I'll cut you some slack just in case you are part of the Virginia Tech realignment board. Those guys over there have to be the masters of circular logic. They've posted the same things over and over, debated them and come to the same specious conclusions every time. They make the same false assumptions about the SEC and Big 10 repeat the same hackneyed pithy put downs and never post facts.

Sort of like your T1, T2, T3, IMG stuff. Just go to a site pinned at the top of the SEC board and peruse the annual numbers. There is a link there to a site that breaks down the revenue by category (using sublinks) to show the Gross Total Revenue and how it is broken down and whether are not there are subsidies, and they do it for every school. I think it's linked in one of the P5 threads in the subforum on this page. Wedge posted it originally and it should be part of the realignment junkies tools.
You made some good and revealing points, JRsec. Regarding leaks by a university official or a commissioner's office when they decide to do so, over the years, they tend to disclose or float information with a trusted, credible sport's journalist, who will comply with the parameters the official(s) sets. They may do this to garner a measure of public reaction before moving further.

University Presidents tend to hold expansion information close to the chest for obvious reasons. I expect at some universities, even the AD is provided limited information per presidential discussions among themselves, with the Commissioner who converses with broadcast network executives, board members, certain politicians, and some top boosters/donors.

Could a junior staff member or secretary who handles paperwork, overhears conversations, or picks up on gossip among personnel, disclose tidbits to an external blogger or Internet troll? I suppose, but it would be suspicious and possibly quite flawed at best, and the motivation would be very questionable.

These people that claim they have inside sources they never name, or allude to some unidentified sport's equipment salesman or distributor, are blabbing with holes in their water pails.
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I am on my topic. Just pointed out to you that after several posts you seem to have an agenda on BYU. Never said BYU was or was not P5 worthy. Really do not care.
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(10-20-2017 12:32 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I am on my topic. Just pointed out to you that after several posts you seem to have an agenda on BYU. Never said BYU was or was not P5 worthy. Really do not care.

But you're not on the topic of the thread and you are stalking me. The OP referred to BYU's potential inclusion in the P5.
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(10-19-2017 11:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I really believe that the ACC could lose a few schools since every single one of their games in everything is controlled by ESPN until the year 3535.

I don't see it happening...the ACC is getting their own network, basketball is successful, and football has really taken off

I generally think the SEC, ACC, and B1G are all content right now...why go and start trying to mess with anything?
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(10-20-2017 10:37 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 08:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-17-2017 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Oh alignment isn't dead. But it is probably dead for a while, at least until the playoff deal comes up for renegotiation. I expect the P5 to perhaps contract, not expand when that happens.

And its not about TV markets, but actual eyeballs going forward. Either you're Michigan and will have the eyeballs no matter what you do, or you better win so that you retain your eyeballs.

If Oklahoma State could potentially be in danger.....BYU isn't even in the picture. Try matching up a slot between Kansas State and BYU. How about TCU and BYU. How about Tech and BYU. BYU loses out every time. And then you have the Wake Forests and Vanderbilts and Kansas and Boston College and Ole Miss teams and Rutgers and WVU and Indiana teams. They might not be great football programs but they provide benefits in other sports/markets. BYU is really going to have a challenge. And lets face it, they're in a undesirable recruiting area, and have no real recent resume of football success to bolster their argument. And that's before they get to the fit issues.

I think we get it after umpteen posts......you obviously have an agenda against BYU.

Ok...what does BYU provide any P5 conference?

Football product? Its average for a P5 at best.
Help with recruiting? Nope.
Incremental income? Nope.
Market support? Very little.
Other sports? Pretty much an extra expense

BTW, you really cant assume that BYU would enjoy more support from the LDS Membership as a P5. LDS sports fans aren't a monolith and plenty of them root for Utes or other teams. That wouldn't change if BYU got into the P5.

Make the case for BYU inclusion.I'm all ears.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I couldn't care less. You seem to be obsessed with BYU. Why not give it a rest.

So, okay....you don't dispute my logic, just try to attack me for commenting. Noted.

Now back to my assertion. The original OP was concerned primarily upon the assertion that BYU was back in the mix for an upgrade. I simply pointed out that BYU does not really provide much to any of the existing P5 conferences in the areas of

1) football success - not even close to competing with TCU or even Boise
2) fan support - they have fans, but its midrange to low P5 levels at best
3) additional recruiting benefits for the existing members - the Intermountain West isn't a recruiting hotbed and few, if any, P5 teams other than Utah bother to recruit there
4) markets - Markets have been overblown, but they still matter. Salt Lake is a real market, and it has some value, but its not really a focus for any conference other than the Pac12, and they have the real prize in that market already, which is Utah
5) potential - BYU, to their credit, has maxed out its support. That being said, that 'max' is below the level that would cause a P5 conference to rationally say "we gotta have BYU"
6) other sports - For every other P5 conference but the Pac12 (which isn't taking BYU), BYU is just an expensive road trip to another time zone.

And then there's the Sunday sports, the history of prima donna behavior in their own conference and the fit issue. But even without these issues, I don't see how BYU fits the profile of a P5 moveup.

In short, BYU isn't going to any P5 unless there is a P5 that is absolutely desperate and a shadow of what the conference is at present.

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I think you might wish to attempt to stay on topic and simply not attack other posters.

this is all garbage, you don't know jack squat about BYU

BYU functions fine as an Independent...they are their own entity, it doesn't make sense to compare them to a normal football program

They get respect from P5 conferences...

check out their 2019 schedule so far...they have USC and Washington coming to LaVell Edwards Stadium, and a road game with Tennessee

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-19/2019-...hedule.php

They basically are P5. If there ever was a split away from the NCAA, they'd get invited along
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(10-19-2017 06:41 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Realignment is about football and TV viewers. Which schools excel in those to things?

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma

Really not sure why the PAC 12 hasn't at least talked to OU as just coming in solo, and then they'll figure out #14 later (maybe they have :0 )
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(10-20-2017 01:35 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 06:41 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Realignment is about football and TV viewers. Which schools excel in those to things?

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma

Really not sure why the PAC 12 hasn't at least talked to OU as just coming in solo, and then they'll figure out #14 later (maybe they have :0 )

Maybe some Pac 12 teams will be headed elsewhere. They currently make the least amount of money, and the difference seems to be growing by the year.
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(10-20-2017 01:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(10-20-2017 10:37 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 08:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 05:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I think we get it after umpteen posts......you obviously have an agenda against BYU.

Ok...what does BYU provide any P5 conference?

Football product? Its average for a P5 at best.
Help with recruiting? Nope.
Incremental income? Nope.
Market support? Very little.
Other sports? Pretty much an extra expense

BTW, you really cant assume that BYU would enjoy more support from the LDS Membership as a P5. LDS sports fans aren't a monolith and plenty of them root for Utes or other teams. That wouldn't change if BYU got into the P5.

Make the case for BYU inclusion.I'm all ears.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I couldn't care less. You seem to be obsessed with BYU. Why not give it a rest.

So, okay....you don't dispute my logic, just try to attack me for commenting. Noted.

Now back to my assertion. The original OP was concerned primarily upon the assertion that BYU was back in the mix for an upgrade. I simply pointed out that BYU does not really provide much to any of the existing P5 conferences in the areas of

1) football success - not even close to competing with TCU or even Boise
2) fan support - they have fans, but its midrange to low P5 levels at best
3) additional recruiting benefits for the existing members - the Intermountain West isn't a recruiting hotbed and few, if any, P5 teams other than Utah bother to recruit there
4) markets - Markets have been overblown, but they still matter. Salt Lake is a real market, and it has some value, but its not really a focus for any conference other than the Pac12, and they have the real prize in that market already, which is Utah
5) potential - BYU, to their credit, has maxed out its support. That being said, that 'max' is below the level that would cause a P5 conference to rationally say "we gotta have BYU"
6) other sports - For every other P5 conference but the Pac12 (which isn't taking BYU), BYU is just an expensive road trip to another time zone.

And then there's the Sunday sports, the history of prima donna behavior in their own conference and the fit issue. But even without these issues, I don't see how BYU fits the profile of a P5 moveup.

In short, BYU isn't going to any P5 unless there is a P5 that is absolutely desperate and a shadow of what the conference is at present.

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I think you might wish to attempt to stay on topic and simply not attack other posters.

this is all garbage, you don't know jack squat about BYU

BYU functions fine as an Independent...they are their own entity, it doesn't make sense to compare them to a normal football program

They get respect from P5 conferences...

check out their 2019 schedule so far...they have USC and Washington coming to LaVell Edwards Stadium, and a road game with Tennessee

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-19/2019-...hedule.php

They basically are P5. If there ever was a split away from the NCAA, they'd get invited along

Mississippi State and Oklahoma State played at South Alabama. You think that South Alabama is ready for the P5?

Boise can get home and homes with Pac12 teams pretty readily. Look, its not that BYU is absolutely valueless as a program, but rather that they simply don't bring enough INCREMENTAL value to the individual members of any P5 conference to warrant a membership bid.

A split will likely be kicked off by a decrease, not an increase, in TV/CFP money. If that's the genesis of a split, I seriously doubt that the split away group will be looking to take any more teams than they absolutely have to.

I think many teams 'respect' the University of Houston, but they're still in the AAC. This isn't going to be about 'respect', but rather about MONEY. And unless someone in Provo or the COB in Salt Lake wants to write a truly massive check, BYU will probably be left behind in such a scenario.

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Here's how you get in the P5...by proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the existing members will be better off financially with you than without you.
(This post was last modified: 10-20-2017 01:59 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
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