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(10-16-2017 10:03 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  It looked like his knee was down to me when I went back and watched the replay.

I don't think anybody would argue the first one wasn't intentional grounding. The issue was the play was ruled a fumble on the field. Once that was done, intentional grounding went out the window, as replay is not used to call penalties.

If you are going to have replay then you have to make sure the play is called correctly. They use replay to confirm or make a targeting call. I see no reason why the same cannot be used in this situation.

(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)uab278 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:03 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  It looked like his knee was down to me when I went back and watched the replay.

I don't think anybody would argue the first one wasn't intentional grounding. The issue was the play was ruled a fumble on the field. Once that was done, intentional grounding went out the window, as replay is not used to call penalties.

If you are going to have replay then you have to make sure the play is called correctly. They use replay to confirm or make a targeting call. I see no reason why the same cannot be used in this situation.

See Rule 67

It describes our EXACT scenario

Well they called it right according to the rule book. That rule needs to be revised.

(10-16-2017 12:06 PM)uab278 Wrote:  Well they called it right according to the rule book. That rule needs to be revised.

I don't see the point in having replay if everything can't be reviewed. I understand they have to draw a line somewhere (no one wants video-initiated holding penalties on o-linemen), but intentional grounding seems like something that should be reviewable.

(10-16-2017 11:15 AM)uab278 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:03 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  It looked like his knee was down to me when I went back and watched the replay.

I don't think anybody would argue the first one wasn't intentional grounding. The issue was the play was ruled a fumble on the field. Once that was done, intentional grounding went out the window, as replay is not used to call penalties.

If you are going to have replay then you have to make sure the play is called correctly. They use replay to confirm or make a targeting call. I see no reason why the same cannot be used in this situation.

It's something that slows the game down even more. In that particular case of course we as fans want the intentional grounding called. But the replay officials then have to determine:
A) is it a fumble or incomplete pass
B) okay it is an incomplete pass, the ball would be spotted at the line of scrimmage
C) was there intentional grounding? Was the qb hit as he threw the ball, causing it to wind up where it did? Was there a receiver in the area?(this can be a gray area)
D) it was intentional grounding, now where was the qb when he released that ball?

Then at the end of this, what down and distance are we now at?

I'm not saying it's something that can't be done, but it opens a whole new can of worms that I just don't think we want opened. If intentional grounding can now be reviewed, why not pass interference? Why not face masking? Why not illegal blocks in the back? The line has to be drawn somewhere and I really think the current process is just fine. We won the game, and if we finish the year 9-3 none of us are going to be talking about this call in December.

The game started at 5:30. I didn't get home until after 10. Probably close to 4 hours of game time.

(10-16-2017 01:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  The game started at 5:30. I didn't get home until after 10. Probably close to 4 hours of game time.

I watched all but the first two drives of the game on TV. It seemed like a very long game to me as well. Not sure if it just felt that way bc I don't usually watch football games start to finish like that, but it seemed very drawn out.

average game length last year was 3 hours 24 minutes...i dont know what time it started or ended...but i took a picture of the team running out of the tunnel at 529pm. after the game, stood around for a bit, walked out, said goodbyes to some friends, and then i posted about the game at 925pm.

it may have been a little longer than average, but not by a lot