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RE: Fire Bobby Wilder Thread
There are so many factors that make or break a head coach. In most cases the best HCs know the proper criteria for hiring assistants, including the most important aspect, recruiting.
Too often, the very ego that endears a HC to his employers with respect to confidence and knowledge, is his/her downfall because of an inability to step back and delegate.
The best coaches are often those that succeed at different places with different staff, because they recognize what is needed en total(staff, XsOs and recruits).

That said, I am not sure that the FBS/FCS G5/P5 dichotomies are as important as some think. Examples are Jim Tressell and Bill Curry. There are many more, especially in basketball.

As for ODU, many posters justifiably tout the early success of the program. However, that success was, in part anyway, the result of a "perfect storm" if you will.
1. The timely demise of Hofstra football
2. Very astute scheduling
3. Taylor Heinicke
Removal of #1 or #3 and IMHO, we are still in the CAA, with no defense and a good but not great offense.

Going back to the theme of the beginning of this post.
We have found an 'our system' QB and top receivers that have been able to reprise the Heinicke type of offense. IMHO it took too long for the coaches to recognize the fit. Indeed more than a few "lay" posters here saw it clearly (although I wouldn't characterize AimHigh as a lay poster by any means.)
However, I am afraid that BW is either unwilling or unable to that make the correct DC hire, and/or step back and delegate.
Our defense has been an abject failure since our first season, being able to play adequately only against very poor or certain specific types of offenses. Poor tackling, out of positions, and lack of gap coverage are recurrent themes. Now we even seem to be slower than ever before as well.

All programs go through ups and downs, and many of us expect next year to be one of the down rebuilding years. However, ten years of rebuilding our defense is unacceptable.

As an aside, how about ol' FCS-FBS Bill Clark at UAB? 05-stirthepot
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The big problem is recruiting. Coaching is overrated IMO.

From 2015 to 2018, Wilder's recruiting performance had ODU ranked in the very bottom of the FBS. Even worse than UMASS and New Mexico. Our problem is talent. If he continues to load his team with FCS caliber kids, I'll be up for a change as well.

Anyway, here's what Coach Clark has,



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My fuel tank to fire coach and staff has run dry over the years. I sit in amusement every game nowadays. I've been frustrated with our defense since our CAA days and calling for coaching changes during the Bentley era. David Washington saved the current coaches by leading our team to a bowl and coaches received contract extensions for that. If you look back to 2014 season you can start to see the decline in our program some would argue it was our transition year but we had a few NFL caliber players on that team. Recruiting and developing at critical positions have been our weakness. Right now 2 of our top 3 offensive leaders are former walkons beating out 2 and 3 star guys in their positions.

There isn't much to cheer about going forward this season. I hope to see stats building now...

LaRussa to throw for 3000 yards.
DA play.
Duhart to catch 1000 yards 10 touchdowns.
Fulgham to catch 1000 yards 10 touchdowns.
Harper to catch 500 yards *Return 2 kicks back for TDs.
Strong to rush for 750 yards and 10 touchdowns.
Cox to rush for 500 yards.
Geiger to rush for 200 yards.
Take our season of frustration out on VMI. Probably not likely.

The defense as a whole to get 10 INTs.
Garner to get 50 tackles.
Ximines to get 18 TFL.
Ximines to get 12 sacks.
Hold a team other than VMI to under 21 points a game.
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(10-30-2018 05:38 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  The big problem is recruiting. Coaching is overrated IMO.

From 2015 to 2018, Wilder's recruiting performance had ODU ranked in the very bottom of the FBS. Even worse than UMASS and New Mexico. Our problem is talent. If he continues to load his team with FCS caliber kids, I'll be up for a change as well.

Anyway, here's what Coach Clark has,




We need an indoor practice facility like yesterday.
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(10-30-2018 08:32 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 05:38 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  The big problem is recruiting. Coaching is overrated IMO.

From 2015 to 2018, Wilder's recruiting performance had ODU ranked in the very bottom of the FBS. Even worse than UMASS and New Mexico. Our problem is talent. If he continues to load his team with FCS caliber kids, I'll be up for a change as well.

Anyway, here's what Coach Clark has,




We need an indoor practice facility like yesterday.

Wow. That seems very nice. Other than the covered practice field, how does the rest of the UAB facility compare with our football facility? I've never been inside.
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(10-30-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 08:32 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 05:38 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  The big problem is recruiting. Coaching is overrated IMO.

From 2015 to 2018, Wilder's recruiting performance had ODU ranked in the very bottom of the FBS. Even worse than UMASS and New Mexico. Our problem is talent. If he continues to load his team with FCS caliber kids, I'll be up for a change as well.

Anyway, here's what Coach Clark has,




We need an indoor practice facility like yesterday.

Wow. That seems very nice. Other than the covered practice field, how does the rest of the UAB facility compare with our football facility? I've never been inside.

Our weight room is better but other than that UAB facility has ours beat
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Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...1f94b4222d

Unbelievable. Durkin and the AD keep their jobs at UMD. P5 athletics is disgusting and morally corrupt.
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(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.
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And honestly looking at the UAB stuff it's nice and new but it's pretty basic and we could totally do something like that. A bunch of decent chairs on a flat space with walls and a projector. But... they got it and we don't.
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(10-30-2018 03:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.

They already have a large stadium that has hosted bowl games and Alabama-Auburn, so I guess replacing a stadium is an easier sell than creating one from whole cloth. Plus Birmingham is a state capital as well as the largest city, so that probably doesn't hurt. But I profess ignorance of much of this.
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(10-30-2018 03:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.

I love Norfolk but that is where a pro-sports team goes to die. That might sound outrageous but Hampton Roads for some reason won't support sports even though it has the resources to do it. Been to Birmingham and while they are a smaller city and somewhat poor compared to HR, they at least try. Again no offense to HR but it is what it is.
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(10-30-2018 04:54 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.

I love Norfolk but that is where a pro-sports team goes to die. That might sound outrageous but Hampton Roads for some reason won't support sports even though it has the resources to do it. Been to Birmingham and while they are a smaller city and somewhat poor compared to HR, they at least try. Again no offense to HR but it is what it is.

Something else to consider is that Hampton Roads is a military-heavy region, meaning it's a transient-heavy region. Birmingham, being a state capital and regional economic hub, attracts people who often stay. Hampton Roads attracts the military and associated businesses, and many of them move on when the military tells them to. That, and the lack of Fortune 500 companies in the region (presuming Norfolk Southern leaves, it's just Dollar Tree and Huntington Ingalls Industries — and only Dollar Tree is on the Southside) makes the area a tough nut to crack.

And Hampton Roads tries, or at least has tried. They tried to get an NHL expansion team (Rhinos) in the 90s, and pushed for the Hornets, Kings, I think another NBA team, and the Expos. But early on they tried to get the team before committing to the arena/stadium, and the Kings effort died when the Beach arena plan did. But they are making an effort
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(10-30-2018 05:17 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 04:54 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.

I love Norfolk but that is where a pro-sports team goes to die. That might sound outrageous but Hampton Roads for some reason won't support sports even though it has the resources to do it. Been to Birmingham and while they are a smaller city and somewhat poor compared to HR, they at least try. Again no offense to HR but it is what it is.

Something else to consider is that Hampton Roads is a military-heavy region, meaning it's a transient-heavy region. Birmingham, being a state capital and regional economic hub, attracts people who often stay. Hampton Roads attracts the military and associated businesses, and many of them move on when the military tells them to. That, and the lack of Fortune 500 companies in the region (presuming Norfolk Southern leaves, it's just Dollar Tree and Huntington Ingalls Industries — and only Dollar Tree is on the Southside) makes the area a tough nut to crack.

And Hampton Roads tries, or at least has tried. They tried to get an NHL expansion team (Rhinos) in the 90s, and pushed for the Hornets, Kings, I think another NBA team, and the Expos. But early on they tried to get the team before committing to the arena/stadium, and the Kings effort died when the Beach arena plan did. But they are making an effort

Dude Montgomery is the capital of Alabama. Birmingham is the dominate city in Alabama though and not terribly different than Hampton Roads you know minus seven cities all playing Game of Thrones.
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(10-30-2018 06:59 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 05:17 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 04:54 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:47 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:33 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Big difference between ODU and UAB: UAB plays in a municipal stadium and will be moving into that stadium's municipal replacement. That frees up a lot of money to spend on football and football accessories.

Maybe if Tidewater had a 50,000-seat stadium to attract the NFL, ODU would have the flexibility to build an IFP.

How does Birmingham manage to get that kind of money and support though? Id wager Hampton Roads is a much better area with more money than Birmingham. But then again, B'ham wasn't split into 7 smaller competing areas.

I love Norfolk but that is where a pro-sports team goes to die. That might sound outrageous but Hampton Roads for some reason won't support sports even though it has the resources to do it. Been to Birmingham and while they are a smaller city and somewhat poor compared to HR, they at least try. Again no offense to HR but it is what it is.

Something else to consider is that Hampton Roads is a military-heavy region, meaning it's a transient-heavy region. Birmingham, being a state capital and regional economic hub, attracts people who often stay. Hampton Roads attracts the military and associated businesses, and many of them move on when the military tells them to. That, and the lack of Fortune 500 companies in the region (presuming Norfolk Southern leaves, it's just Dollar Tree and Huntington Ingalls Industries — and only Dollar Tree is on the Southside) makes the area a tough nut to crack.

And Hampton Roads tries, or at least has tried. They tried to get an NHL expansion team (Rhinos) in the 90s, and pushed for the Hornets, Kings, I think another NBA team, and the Expos. But early on they tried to get the team before committing to the arena/stadium, and the Kings effort died when the Beach arena plan did. But they are making an effort

Dude Montgomery is the capital of Alabama. Birmingham is the dominate city in Alabama though and not terribly different than Hampton Roads you know minus seven cities all playing Game of Thrones.

**** that's right, my high school geography and Sporcle quiz knowledge failed at just the right time. Even copy editors need copy editors.

That said, B'ham is the biggest city in the state and a big deal economically in the South. I think the circumstances are different enough that it's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison to HR. If HR had a stadium of consequence before, they'd be more likely to replace it. Of course, given how difficult is it to get anything municipal constructed here, with Norfolk and Va Beach working at cross purposes, maybe they wouldn't
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(10-30-2018 03:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...1f94b4222d

Unbelievable. Durkin and the AD keep their jobs at UMD. P5 athletics is disgusting and morally corrupt.

180 degree reversal this evening.
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(10-31-2018 07:11 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  
(10-30-2018 03:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...1f94b4222d

Unbelievable. Durkin and the AD keep their jobs at UMD. P5 athletics is disgusting and morally corrupt.

180 degree reversal this evening.

Shocking. The U President was the only leader with spine to do what was right. Good for him and UMD.
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Is it too early in the game to bump this thread?
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You were saying? 05-nono




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