(10-14-2017 11:09 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  Orgeron said he would fix things after Troy, and he got two quality wins right away. I gotta say, that's more than I expected from him.

Orgeron is showing himself to be closer to his USC self than his Ole Miss self, for now at least. He definitely gets my respect.

Not sure about Orgeron yet, but the last 2 weeks have proved there are a few universes between him and Bailiff. Bailiff being 0fer on quality and top 50 wins means that even one such win moves someone to a tier above Bailiff.

Like I said, still not sold but will admit I was very wrong on terming him as bad as I thought he was l

I'm not sold on Orgeron overall; however, he deserves credit for at least getting up off the mat.

Orgeron will not stay at LSU for the length of his contract, if only because the folks in Baton Rouge expect to play Alabama-level football. That is neither realistic nor justified, because prior to the 2000s, LSU was a second-tier power at absolute best. Modern expectations changed in the 2003 season, when LSU basically got a home game against a stumbling Oklahoma for the national championship, and of course the Tigers won it.

I don't think Orgeron will get LSU anywhere close to challenging for another title, and that will doom him. Then again, I've been wrong about him the last two weeks, so who knows...

Wasn't a good weekend for the state of Washington. The #5 Huskies lost at Arizona State. Graham resurrection #12?

(10-15-2017 07:00 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  I'm not sold on Orgeron overall; however, he deserves credit for at least getting up off the mat.
Orgeron will not stay at LSU for the length of his contract, if only because the folks in Baton Rouge expect to play Alabama-level football. That is neither realistic nor justified, because prior to the 2000s, LSU was a second-tier power at absolute best. Modern expectations changed in the 2003 season, when LSU basically got a home game against a stumbling Oklahoma for the national championship, and of course the Tigers won it.
I don't think Orgeron will get LSU anywhere close to challenging for another title, and that will doom him. Then again, I've been wrong about him the last two weeks, so who knows...

I'm beginning to think maybe a better comparable than Bailiff is Charlie McClendon. Cholly Mac had some bad losses--to Rice among others--and he never got his team over the top, but he had them in the hunt almost every year, and he was a nice guy that everyone liked, so he stayed around for a long time.

Give Orgeron LSU's resources and he can beat Auburn. Give Bailiff LSU's resources and he could beat FIU.

(10-15-2017 07:24 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Wasn't a good weekend for the state of Washington. The #5 Huskies lost at Arizona State. Graham resurrection #12?

Rice seems to be the only FBS team showing any consistency this season.

(10-15-2017 08:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:00 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  I'm not sold on Orgeron overall; however, he deserves credit for at least getting up off the mat.
Orgeron will not stay at LSU for the length of his contract, if only because the folks in Baton Rouge expect to play Alabama-level football. That is neither realistic nor justified, because prior to the 2000s, LSU was a second-tier power at absolute best. Modern expectations changed in the 2003 season, when LSU basically got a home game against a stumbling Oklahoma for the national championship, and of course the Tigers won it.
I don't think Orgeron will get LSU anywhere close to challenging for another title, and that will doom him. Then again, I've been wrong about him the last two weeks, so who knows...

I'm beginning to think maybe a better comparable than Bailiff is Charlie McClendon. Cholly Mac had some bad losses--to Rice among others--and he never got his team over the top, but he had them in the hunt almost every year, and he was a nice guy that everyone liked, so he stayed around for a long time.

Give Oregon LSU's resources and he can beat Auburn. Give Bailiff LSU's resources and he could beat FIU.

or Fred Akers-whose Texas teams were always solid on defense and special teams (except a fumble in a cotton bowl that cost them a national championship). It was a long time until tu had a more successful coach, but one whose coaching success was just to let two QB's (Vince and Colt) just do whatever, once they were gone, the lack of player development, locker room malaise, and horrific game coaching did Mack in, but he was the all time best as a program cheerleader and schmoozing with the big wigs. The most incredible thing I have heard about them is that the last time they had a offensive lineman drafted not just in the first round, but at all was 2008!!!

DB is a lot like Mack on a smaller stage, cheerleader, incredible schmoozer with the wigs, coaching success when QBs took over (Chase in 2008, McHargue in 2013). But player development or in game coaching, umm no. Here is the real question, 2008 was a really fun (and perhaps "great") year, but with virtually the same team as 2007, why was 2007 so bad??

Not sure where any W's are going to come from as UAB beats MTSU and UNT beats UTSA. 1-11 looking realistic especially watching teams that dominated us like Houston get rolled by 4 TD's at Tulsa and Pitt get rolled by 3 TD's at home to a good (but not great) NC St. team.

(10-15-2017 08:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:00 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  I'm not sold on Orgeron overall; however, he deserves credit for at least getting up off the mat.
Orgeron will not stay at LSU for the length of his contract, if only because the folks in Baton Rouge expect to play Alabama-level football. That is neither realistic nor justified, because prior to the 2000s, LSU was a second-tier power at absolute best. Modern expectations changed in the 2003 season, when LSU basically got a home game against a stumbling Oklahoma for the national championship, and of course the Tigers won it.
I don't think Orgeron will get LSU anywhere close to challenging for another title, and that will doom him. Then again, I've been wrong about him the last two weeks, so who knows...

I'm beginning to think maybe a better comparable than Bailiff is Charlie McClendon. Cholly Mac had some bad losses--to Rice among others--and he never got his team over the top, but he had them in the hunt almost every year, and he was a nice guy that everyone liked, so he stayed around for a long time.

Give Orgeron LSU's resources and he can beat Auburn. Give Bailiff LSU's resources and he could beat FIU.

Charlie Mac was better than Orgeron, I think. He always lost three games a year, but that was a pretty good percent. His critics had two major points. He hardly ever beat Alabama and, they claimed, LSU had the best talent in the country year in and year out, so they should do better.

It did not help that former Heisman winner Billy Cannon led the charge to oust him.

On an unrelated topic, Friday, I think, I was a flipping the channel and hit upon the end of wheel of fortune. It was Texas week. Vanna and Pat mentioned that football was very big in Texas and that Heisman had a Texas connection - that he coached for a while at Rice in Houston.

(10-15-2017 11:50 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Not sure where any W's are going to come from as UAB beats MTSU and UNT beats UTSA. 1-11 looking realistic especially watching teams that dominated us like Houston get rolled by 4 TD's at Tulsa and Pitt get rolled by 3 TD's at home to a good (but not great) NC St. team.

There's a very real possibility that where they are going to come from is nowhere.

And I'm sorry, but there is no possible way that 1-11 represents adequate stewardship of the resources and young men's lives that have been entrusted to Bailiff.

(10-15-2017 12:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:50 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Not sure where any W's are going to come from as UAB beats MTSU and UNT beats UTSA. 1-11 looking realistic especially watching teams that dominated us like Houston get rolled by 4 TD's at Tulsa and Pitt get rolled by 3 TD's at home to a good (but not great) NC St. team.

There's a very real possibility that where they are going to come from is nowhere.

And I'm sorry, but there is no possible way that 1-11 represents adequate stewardship of the resources and young men's lives that have been entrusted to Bailiff.

Agreed on the stewardship issue. It is not like we play in the SEC or the PAC 12.

(10-15-2017 09:50 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  ... (Mack) was the all time best as a program cheerleader and schmoozing with the big wigs. ... DB is a lot like Mack on a smaller stage, cheerleader, incredible schmoozer with the wigs, ...

If only we had a bunch more BIG wigs.