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RE: Game Day Army
(10-14-2017 09:43 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 08:02 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  Good game!

My two cents: going for 2 was the right call. Good play call too.

Your team reminds me of Army on 2015 - learning to win, but losing close while doing so.

Good luck the rest of the way.

Haha, such a great play call, it took 3 timeouts to come up with it.........and it failed! The kid that made the tackle was unblocked.

Good play call......for Army.

Good luck the rest of the way as well.

I agree with you. Bad play call we should of ran the ball up the middle with the defense spread out like that. The blame solely falls on Creighton, he picked the offensive coordinator who cannot coach at this level. Keens makes DeBoar look like a NFL level coordinator. The four losses are solely because we have no offense and that falls on the head coach. Creightons decisions on the sideline show he does not know how to coach at this level.
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RE: Game Day Army
(10-15-2017 08:43 AM)Aquila Fanatic Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 09:43 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 08:02 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  Good game!

My two cents: going for 2 was the right call. Good play call too.

Your team reminds me of Army on 2015 - learning to win, but losing close while doing so.

Good luck the rest of the way.

Haha, such a great play call, it took 3 timeouts to come up with it.........and it failed! The kid that made the tackle was unblocked.

Good play call......for Army.

Good luck the rest of the way as well.

I agree with you. Bad play call we should of ran the ball up the middle with the defense spread out like that. The blame solely falls on Creighton, he picked the offensive coordinator who cannot coach at this level. Keens makes DeBoar look like a NFL level coordinator. The four losses are solely because we have no offense and that falls on the head coach. Creightons decisions on the sideline show he does not know how to coach at this level.

Nonsense, if Roback releases the ball a few tenths of a second sooner than he did its a two point conversion. That CC can't coach on this level is one of the stupidest posts I've seen EVER on this board. He proved that last year by going to a bowl game. Who picked the defensive coordinator that turned the defense around? CC. On EVERY level this program is BETTER than when CC inherited it. Yes we are struggling at some positions but we've been in every game this year and won our first P5 game EVER and almost one our second against Kentucky. I'm frustrated with this close loses, but I was for CC when he won 2 games and then 1 game. My suggestion is that we move Keen back to ST where he did a good job and hire an new OC. By the way this was the offensive side of the ball best showing for quite some time. Last year we won the close ones and this year we're losing them. But the kids haven't quit. I would also agree the staff is paying the price for not beefing the OT and TE spots prior to the season. That is on them. They need to look a the punting position next year and see if they can bring in a Barnes quality clone. We need to suck it up the rest of way and push it over the finish line. And in terms of CC coaching at this level the program now has respect from outside media and fellow coaches who actually make a living at doing this. Can't coach at this level? Only the uneducated would make a statement like that and you post crap like that back on M-Live.
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You guys are out of your heads.

What's happening with your program is nothing short of remarkable and here you are embarrassing yourselves with drunk-parent analysis that's as short-sighted as it is ungracious.

Do you, I guess.

Go Eagles.
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(10-15-2017 10:33 AM)RussH Wrote:  You guys are out of your heads.

What's happening with your program is nothing short of remarkable and here you are embarrassing yourselves with drunk-parent analysis that's as short-sighted as it is ungracious.

Do you, I guess.

Go Eagles.

HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YET BUT .... nobody blocked the tackler, and had he wrapped up instead of just going for his legs, EMU would have been tackled at the 5-yard-line.

Missed assignment or what???
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Dear cleveland,
You and someone else mentioned this, about the tackler. From where he was (back of the end zone) I assume he was a defensive back or linebacker. Having said that, who's responsibility would it have been to block him? There are some people on any given play that are unblocked, and I think that was the case here. If, I remember correctly Eastern only had one receiver on that side of the field, and he blocked his coverage because he was closest to the ball carrier.
If, I had a complaint about the call, it was to the short side of the field. Why not run it to the wide side for the possibility of out maneuvering the opposition?
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RE: Game Day Army
(10-15-2017 08:43 AM)Aquila Fanatic Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 09:43 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-14-2017 08:02 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  Good game!

My two cents: going for 2 was the right call. Good play call too.

Your team reminds me of Army on 2015 - learning to win, but losing close while doing so.

Good luck the rest of the way.

Haha, such a great play call, it took 3 timeouts to come up with it.........and it failed! The kid that made the tackle was unblocked.

Good play call......for Army.

Good luck the rest of the way as well.

I agree with you. Bad play call we should of ran the ball up the middle with the defense spread out like that. The blame solely falls on Creighton, he picked the offensive coordinator who cannot coach at this level. Keens makes DeBoar look like a NFL level coordinator. The four losses are solely because we have no offense and that falls on the head coach. Creightons decisions on the sideline show he does not know how to coach at this level.

Don't lump me in with this guy, who has just appeared out of the woodwork. Creighton is a good coach, my only question ever has been on the recruiting side. He made a great, quick decision on the DC, and he may have an OC decision to make after the season, depending on how the last 6 games play out.
On a positive note, we finally saw signs of life in the running game! Actually saw Dervil getting reps and more OL rotating in and out. I think they're still trying to figure tge best OL combinations out. Not sure if that's good or bad, 6 games in. Did notice they're back to pulling and trapping inside, which I think was the primary difference. Love Eriksen, but still not sure why they don't just split the carries equally now between him and Turner. I think it would be good for both, and the team.

My final comment on going for 2. I still don't agree with it, but obvious arguments can be made on both sides. Not going to skewer the staff for the decision, they obviously had their own reasoning. Hopefully Neathery was in on the discussion. We make it he's a hero, we don't he's a goat. Leaving aside the decision, still don't like the play call because the tackler was unblocked. Not giving your RB a very good chance in that situation. Eriksen made a hell of an effort, as always.

Gut check time now. We're good enough to win out. Hopefully our bad luck the last 4 games, starts turning back in our favor the final 6. More mental toughness now, than physical. I believe this group has the mental toughness to make a run.

Let's have a big turnout for a Bronco upset to turn the tide!
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(10-15-2017 11:32 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear cleveland,
You and someone else mentioned this, about the tackler. From where he was (back of the end zone) I assume he was a defensive back or linebacker. Having said that, who's responsibility would it have been to block him? There are some people on any given play that are unblocked, and I think that was the case here. If, I remember correctly Eastern only had one receiver on that side of the field, and he blocked his coverage because he was closest to the ball carrier.
If, I had a complaint about the call, it was to the short side of the field. Why not run it to the wide side for the possibility of out maneuvering the opposition?

He's a safety.

If he had wrapped up, the tackle would not have been at the 5. Hit would have been at about the 3 and your guy would have had a real good chance to momentum his way to the goal line, or at least extend his arm to get the ball over the line.

Of course, the fact that a particular play did not work does not mean it was a bad call.

Option is often run to the short side because that's where the fewest defenders are.
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Dear BeatNavy,
I've heard the same story about the short side of the field, but didn't Army run their sweeps for big gains on the wide side of the field? That's what I seem to remember when watching the game.
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It was fun watching McGill play - had the Army WR. Talk about an easy day at the office. :)
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(10-14-2017 02:23 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  You guys can disagree all you want. Our O had momentum, if we get ball first we likely score and put pressure back on them. To stall their offense, all it takes is 1 penalty, or backfield tackle. They get ball first, same thing, only 1 mistake to stall them. Even if they do score, we get our shot and go for 2 at that time to win.

Agree
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Whoever it is posting here that Creighton can't coach at this level reminds of HS parents' complaints. Short-sighted, ill-informed and probably somebody who won't give a rip about the team once their kid graduates.
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(10-15-2017 11:32 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear cleveland,
You and someone else mentioned this, about the tackler. From where he was (back of the end zone) I assume he was a defensive back or linebacker. Having said that, who's responsibility would it have been to block him? There are some people on any given play that are unblocked, and I think that was the case here. If, I remember correctly Eastern only had one receiver on that side of the field, and he blocked his coverage because he was closest to the ball carrier.
If, I had a complaint about the call, it was to the short side of the field. Why not run it to the wide side for the possibility of out maneuvering the opposition?
I watched the replay again. The safety that made the tackle was initially lined up as a LB on the play. He shifted out to help the corner just as the ball was snapped. They were obviously expecting a throw to that side of the field but the safety ended up in the perfect position to make the tackle.
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(10-15-2017 07:48 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear BeatNavy,
I've heard the same story about the short side of the field, but didn't Army run their sweeps for big gains on the wide side of the field? That's what I seem to remember when watching the game.

Most, if not all, of those were not option plays.
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Dear BeatNavy,
My statement was not about option plays, but running to the wide side of the field, and not the short side.
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BTW, the game day experience at Army was great. It was their homecoming so it was extra special.

The Army band marched to the EMU end of the field and played the EMU fight song. They had parachutists delivering the game ball and U.S. flag, helicopter flyovers, etc.

The crowd was very large, They sang the Army alma mater after the game.

The only disappointing thing is that there was very little changing of the fall colors. Maybe this weekend for their Temple game.

We are scheduled back Oct 17, 2020 and well worth circling that date on your calendar if one can make the trip. Wonder if that will be homecoming again? And worth the time to drive through their campus (think they call it a garrison).
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(10-16-2017 10:40 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(10-15-2017 11:32 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear cleveland,
You and someone else mentioned this, about the tackler. From where he was (back of the end zone) I assume he was a defensive back or linebacker. Having said that, who's responsibility would it have been to block him? There are some people on any given play that are unblocked, and I think that was the case here. If, I remember correctly Eastern only had one receiver on that side of the field, and he blocked his coverage because he was closest to the ball carrier.
If, I had a complaint about the call, it was to the short side of the field. Why not run it to the wide side for the possibility of out maneuvering the opposition?
I watched the replay again. The safety that made the tackle was initially lined up as a LB on the play. He shifted out to help the corner just as the ball was snapped. They were obviously expecting a throw to that side of the field but the safety ended up in the perfect position to make the tackle.

That's the way it seemed to me. I recorded the game and saw that replay many times on the telecast.

#2 was flagged for the PI on the press box side of the field on the drive and then made an excellent play to stop the 2-pt try.

I didn't see how anyone could block him. The WR, Bailey, didn't have a chance.

It was one of those plays where we needed 3 yards, and the play had a real chance of success. My only other thought is that the off. lineman (#74???) didn't look good in his execution but we aren't built to be an option running team. If it was Nielsen, a 6' 8" OT isn't going to be an asset on that type of play.

It was a real game of chess at the end as EMU and Army called multiple timeouts to reset the defenses and offenses.
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