(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:41 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Not willing to play on weekdays is part of the reason we are where we are. It was the first disaster of a decision this conference made getting away from ESPN.

I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:41 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Not willing to play on weekdays is part of the reason we are where we are. It was the first disaster of a decision this conference made getting away from ESPN.

I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:41 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Not willing to play on weekdays is part of the reason we are where we are. It was the first disaster of a decision this conference made getting away from ESPN.

I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

what you fail to realize is there is no more substantial TV money. Those days are gone for G5 members. those fans you don't care about are the ones that donate for the new football facility or research wing. they are the people who donate to endow scholarships. those fans you don't care about are the ones who put universities in their wills.

Fun fact, MAC has NO conference games on Saturday this month. Is that the future you want for C-USA? But since MAC already has November, maybe C-USA gets October to have no Saturday games! Who doesn't love the idea of an October Tuesday night game for the chance to be on ESPN3? Call the C-USA administrators and demand this now!

/s

You do what you have to, to pay the bills. The MAC took it up the rear for years, while giving ESPN air time during the week, they are being rewarded for it now. I am not advocating that we go that direction, BUT one has to wonder how programs that do not draw well is going to make it in the future, especially if the state they reside in decides to lower subsides more than the program can afford. There are only a few schools in the conference who have around 50% or less subsidy, and few who do well in license marketing.

Playing on weekdays consistently just seems to be a zero sum game. You have more TV revenue but you sacrifice ticket sales, concessions and donations. Saturday games sacrifice TV revenue while giving you the optimum situation for driving attendance and donations. I'll take the latter.

Further, a good environment can turn students and kids into lifelong fans. Doubt the weekly weekday games are converting many fans via the airwaves into fans who will directly invest in those programs. Overall, Saturday games just seem to be much more sustainable.

(11-01-2017 08:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Playing on weekdays consistently just seems to be a zero sum game. You have more TV revenue but you sacrifice ticket sales, concessions and donations. Saturday games sacrifice TV revenue while giving you the optimum situation for driving attendance and donations. I'll take the latter.

Further, a good environment can turn students and kids into lifelong fans. Doubt the weekly weekday games are converting many fans via the airwaves into fans who will directly invest in those programs. Overall, Saturday games just seem to be much more sustainable.

That depends on the program. For a well attended program on average, yes it will have an effect on Saturday sales. For a program that struggles to sell 12K tickets, hardly no effect. The averages do not speak the same for every school.

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:41 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Not willing to play on weekdays is part of the reason we are where we are. It was the first disaster of a decision this conference made getting away from ESPN.

I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 06:41 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Not willing to play on weekdays is part of the reason we are where we are. It was the first disaster of a decision this conference made getting away from ESPN.

I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:48 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  I'm glad we are not a "weekday" conference. The most important thing other than winning for schools at our level is for fans being able to attend home games. That leads to donations for more than athletics. A weeknight game means it is a game I would be attending without my kids. A weeknight game means fans who don't live near campus can not attend. I would much rather play a home game on Saturday in front of 25,000 fans that play on ESPN 2 on a Tuesday in front of 4,500. You don't grow the fan base playing midweek games

I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:18 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  I see your perspective and from a personal standpoint, I agree. But for the sustainability of a university and the conference I don't think that is the best option. The amount of revenue that is produced from ticket sales on a weeknight vs a Saturday is peanuts compared to the TV money that a university could gain.

It really is a bad situation for our level of football. You often times have to make decisions that are best for the longevity of the program and not always what is ideal for the fans.

This article shows some harsh realities:

CUSA TV Contract Info

The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Judy needs to go, everyone that has a twitter needs to start using the hashtag: #CUSAFIREJUDY to get the ball rolling

(11-01-2017 12:02 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Judy needs to go, everyone that has a twitter needs to start using the hashtag: #CUSAFIREJUDY to get the ball rolling

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

(11-01-2017 12:02 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Judy needs to go, everyone that has a twitter needs to start using the hashtag: #CUSAFIREJUDY to get the ball rolling

I'm not saying anyone isn't correct in she probably isn't the right person for this job. But to blame a TV contract on her and her alone is ridiculous. The last commissioner left pretty late in the game. This contract came at about the worse time anyone could. So she's at best 1/4 to blame on the TV contract.

But the personality she projects in front of a camera is awful. For that alone, she's probably not the right person. But I've seen person that looks like a deer in the headlights but then be focus and project just what they need to when you talk one on one. Or in a small group setting.

The one thing I'm 100% sure of. When she is replaced it won't take very long till someone starts saying her replacement....

Needs to go. Fire them today. Wrong person for the job. As sure as the sun will rise....that will happen

(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Yes, you can because other sports are non-revenue. You can certainly put everything in there outside of men's basketball. As the saying goes football pays for the other sports. From running an athletics department it does matter.

(11-01-2017 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Yes, you can because other sports are non-revenue. You can certainly put everything in there outside of men's basketball. As the saying goes football pays for the other sports. From running an athletics department it does matter.

No you can't...schools might not make a lot off tickets sold from other sports. But ODU has the highest (or 2nd highest) men basketball attendance. Middle probably makes as much off Lady basketball as men's. Some schools sell a lot of baseball tickets.

ODU does not have a 3.7 million travel budget for football. That covers all sports. So when someone tries to project that just for football then uses tickets sold in only football to compare the value...

it's not apples to apples. Apples to apple can't actually be compared because there is no way we can say espn would have paid more.

But if they were willing and CUSA played half of conference games on weeknights. Then you have to look at donations and rights in there also. I assume Rights / Licensing wont take a hit but I don't know what ODU includes in that. So Will X amount still buy season tickets along with the donation that goes with that if they can only attend 3 home games. Or will they try and buy walk up tickets. Most school's (especially those selling out) usually have a donation fee higher than those of the cost of season tickets.

I know my donation if higher than my ticket cost. So if Western was playing 3 home games on week nights and I could not attend. Maybe I pocket that donation and buy walk ups

(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:17 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:07 PM)jaminniner Wrote:  The Sunbelt plays on Wednesday nights how lucrative is their TV deal? The MAC has played weeknight games for over a decade. Has the profile of the MAC risen in that timeframe? Saturday is the day to build the best game day experience for the fans.

You guys are not understanding what is going on here. This isn't about teams trying to "raise their profile". It is about staying afloat, period. The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000. Accompany that with the increase in expenses, student-stipends, etc. and SCHOOLS ARE LOSING MONEY.

Example:
ODU's stadium holds 20K.
Average ticket cost: $30
A Sellout of 6 home games = $3,600,000
ODU travel costs = $3,700,000
TV Revenue from ConferenceUSA: $200,000
Net gain: $100,000

And don't come with the "If we don't play on Saturday's, our donors won't show up" nonsense. Conferences, in the ESPN contracts, are given seven total non-Saturday games. So that doesn't even mean that your non-Saturday game will be at home OR that you will even have one.

But keep taking the "game day experience" check to the bank and try to fund your program.

That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

...

Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Its not in the cards right now. ESPN is not going to fork out $$$$ to a revamped CUSA. They were willing to when we turned them down before all this realignment. The conference does not have the appeal it once did, you gotta remember that a portion on the previous contract was in place because of better basketball as well, we no longer have Memphis.........Given that, I don't think anyone would have believed we would drop so far in TV revenue, especially after going for markets on most of the replacements. My take is we would have to take our lumps with ESPN before getting anything similar to what the MAC gets. Damn, I never thought there would be a day where I am saying the MAC gets more..........even then, do they even have the $$$ to pay? We are hurting more than just the TV contract, we are hurting with NCAA tourney credits too, Memphis was always a shoe in, they helped everyone's RPI, so when a school did well, like UTEP, UAB etc, more often than not one other team would get an at large. Seems I remember one year where 3 teams went dancing.

(11-01-2017 01:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  That travel cost is for all ODU sports . No way in hell it cost $616,666 to travel for each of the 6 away game to the following place

Umass 566 miles
Virginia Tech 300 miles
Marshall 470 miles
North Texas 1300 miles
Midlle 700 miles
FIU 970

Western's travel cost for FB is around $800,000 for the year


2013 is actual expenditures (actual cost) the others are projected budgets

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Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Yes, you can because other sports are non-revenue. You can certainly put everything in there outside of men's basketball. As the saying goes football pays for the other sports. From running an athletics department it does matter.

No you can't...schools might not make a lot off tickets sold from other sports. But ODU has the highest (or 2nd highest) men basketball attendance. Middle probably makes as much off Lady basketball as men's. Some schools sell a lot of baseball tickets.

ODU does not have a 3.7 million travel budget for football. That covers all sports. So when someone tries to project that just for football then uses tickets sold in only football to compare the value...

it's not apples to apples. Apples to apple can't actually be compared because there is no way we can say espn would have paid more.

But if they were willing and CUSA played half of conference games on weeknights. Then you have to look at donations and rights in there also. I assume Rights / Licensing wont take a hit but I don't know what ODU includes in that. So Will X amount still buy season tickets along with the donation that goes with that if they can only attend 3 home games. Or will they try and buy walk up tickets. Most school's (especially those selling out) usually have a donation fee higher than those of the cost of season tickets.

I know my donation if higher than my ticket cost. So if Western was playing 3 home games on week nights and I could not attend. Maybe I pocket that donation and buy walk ups

I understand what you are saying. But the revenues and expenses get pooled into the athletic department. What about the cost and travel for tennis, golf, softball, track, etc. It's largely football paying for those costs by any means you want to track whether it's directly from ticket sales or the increase in student fees that was put into place as a result of starting football (in y'all's case). The bottom line is don't separate it by sport but once you pool all the expenses and all the revenues you can then extract by sport and see that it's football (and maybe basketball to a lesser degree) that brings the preponderance of revenue up against sports that bring in zero revenue. So, if football is bringing in more than it is spending you can trust that it is helping to pay for sports that are spending while raising nothing including their travel budget.

(11-01-2017 01:37 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 01:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 12:22 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:21 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  Yes, that includes all sports but none that are anywhere in the ballpark of revenue of football.

Well you can't just put the travel cost of all sports and them try to compare what ODU makes off just football.

A better way and the way I assume most people would do that is total revenue

$4,237,654 Tickets sold
$5,851,095 Contributions
$5,155,793 Rights / Licensing

Each one of those is well over the...

Quote:The contract that McLeod brought to CUSA after '15-16 dropped schools TV revenue from $1.1 Million per school to roughly $200,000.

So the question is does ODU take over a $900,000 hit in these 3 combined by playing half a schedule on week days. That's even if the conference could get espn to pay each school $900,000 by playing weekday games. I doubt they would.

That's apple to apples. BTW ODU does not bring in that much on FB attendance. Students make up part of that. And a sellout might not include those tickets sit aside for the visiting school. Which is not 1/5 on most games. I assume those are used as walk ups or extra for students

Yes, you can because other sports are non-revenue. You can certainly put everything in there outside of men's basketball. As the saying goes football pays for the other sports. From running an athletics department it does matter.

No you can't...schools might not make a lot off tickets sold from other sports. But ODU has the highest (or 2nd highest) men basketball attendance. Middle probably makes as much off Lady basketball as men's. Some schools sell a lot of baseball tickets.

ODU does not have a 3.7 million travel budget for football. That covers all sports. So when someone tries to project that just for football then uses tickets sold in only football to compare the value...

it's not apples to apples. Apples to apple can't actually be compared because there is no way we can say espn would have paid more.

But if they were willing and CUSA played half of conference games on weeknights. Then you have to look at donations and rights in there also. I assume Rights / Licensing wont take a hit but I don't know what ODU includes in that. So Will X amount still buy season tickets along with the donation that goes with that if they can only attend 3 home games. Or will they try and buy walk up tickets. Most school's (especially those selling out) usually have a donation fee higher than those of the cost of season tickets.

I know my donation if higher than my ticket cost. So if Western was playing 3 home games on week nights and I could not attend. Maybe I pocket that donation and buy walk ups

What about the cost and travel for tennis, golf, softball, track, etc. It's largely football paying for those costs by any means you want to track whether it's directly from ticket sales or the increase in student fees that was put into place as a result of starting football (in y'all's case). The bottom line is don't separate it by sport but once you pool all the expenses and all the revenues you can then extract by sport and see that it's football that brings the preponderance of revenue up against sports that bring in zero revenue. So, if football is bringing in more than it is spending you can trust that it is helping to pay for sports that are spending while raising nothing.

I understand what you are saying and don't disagree with you that some sports never generate a dime in tickets sold.

He was projecting a net gain on tickets sold for football and TV dollars verse total travel for all sports.

Well ODU did not make that much on football tickets sold. I don't have a clue what they actually made but I know it wasn't total attendance * $30 a ticket. All tickets are not sold.

I also know Western brings in around $800, 000 on basketball tickets sold, So I assume with almost double the attendance ODU brings in a lot more.

So you need to look at all money made from tickets sold $4,237,654 then you have to look at donations because as I pointed out in my case that is actually more than the cost of my actual tickets.

But I get what you are saying about CUSA schools make very little money off most (as in all but a couple..football, basketball, some baseball).
I'm disagreeing that it's not a fair way to look at a net gain when there is other revenue that must be looked at.

(10-13-2017 08:43 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 08:28 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Well, ESPN isn't going to be the answer either. Revenue losses year over year each quarter are accelerating and Disney continues to force cuts at the network. The money is only going to go to a select few in the future. The TV money is gone forever.

Must disagree. CUSA small TV revenue could assist ESPN. Essentially getting a product for nothing. Most likely mean week day games. Based on everyone’s attendance it wouldn’t matter. Exposure, this conference needs exposure. Sunbelt has better exposure. Embarrassing

Is it a mark of success when an individual school's conference TV revenues doesnt quite match the salary of a single 7th year lawyer at a large New York / California law firm?