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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
This should not come as a shock to anyone. As is alway the case, follow the money and it'll take you right where you need to go. UNC-CHeat is a cash cow for the NCAA and a poster boy for ESPN. No way were they going to do anything to that bunch. The Tar Babies slow played this long enough to clean out all the partners in crime. That way they could use the "we've cleaned up our act" plea bargin. While I'm not a fan of punishing the current players and coaches for something done 10 years ago, there should have been some sort of punishment. At the very least some banners should have come down and money paid back to the NCAA. At the end of the day the NCAA has made themselves the very definition of a hypocrite. Every Tar Baby alumnus knows their school is tainted and that whole "Carolina Way" BS is exactly that. IMO this makes them look even worse than if they had been hit with some sanctions.
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
No teacher, no classroom, graded by a secretary. Sign me up for that degree program.

I think every school in the country should let it be known that starting in the spring they will all be added 10 classes just like this one.
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
The NCAA is a joke and a money grab for to many people. It is ridiculous that the minor league system for football and basketball runs through the education system in this country.

Billions of dollars exchange hands in the name of education under the sham of amature athletics. These kids are used by the universities, some people make millions of dollars off of them, the schools hide under the tax exempt laws and make some people very rich. In return, some athelets are given worthless, if any education. Once the school is done with them, they dump them back in the street with little to no skill training. These kids are used to being the center of attention, playing in front of thousands of people, being feed, housed, taken care of in ways that would make some of our heads spin. The next week they are thrown out, no house, no food, no job, no training.

Make no doubt about it, the NCAA and the schools themselves care nothing for the "student athelets". Coaches care, but not the school as a whole. They care about making money and protecting themselves.
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
(10-13-2017 03:45 PM)Usajags Wrote:  The NCAA is a joke and a money grab for to many people. It is ridiculous that the minor league system for football and basketball runs through the education system in this country.

Billions of dollars exchange hands in the name of education under the sham of amature athletics. These kids are used by the universities, some people make millions of dollars off of them, the schools hide under the tax exempt laws and make some people very rich. In return, some athelets are given worthless, if any education. Once the school is done with them, they dump them back in the street with little to no skill training. These kids are used to being the center of attention, playing in front of thousands of people, being feed, housed, taken care of in ways that would make some of our heads spin. The next week they are thrown out, no house, no food, no job, no training.

Make no doubt about it, the NCAA and the schools themselves care nothing for the "student athelets". Coaches care, but not the school as a whole. They care about making money and protecting themselves.

Agree in part. I think the rules for basketball should be the same as it is for baseball. You go pro straight out of high school, or you go to college for three years or until you're age 21 before you qualify for the NBA. If you can't make the grades, you go to the NBA developmental league for three 1-3 years, Europe, China or other professional leagues around the world until you reach the 21 year old qualifying age. JMO
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
(10-13-2017 02:25 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 01:48 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 10:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not okay with the NCAA punishing a sports team for something a rogue professor or department does.

I'm also not okay with opening up the Pandora's Box of having the NCAA enforce whether or not athlete course loads have sufficient rigor. Most of us in DI have those majors where we stick athletes who aren't good students. We basically do the same thing UNC does...customize the course load to minimize difficulty.

They had secretaries grading papers....give me a break. The secretary admitted not even reading the entire paper and always gave out high grades, get out here with that nonsense. We are not doing what they did not even close, oh when we do or even close we get hammered. We got nailed for some chick taking a few online quizes for players that played in like one game. Also unless things have changed at GS every single athlete I had a class with had to have the professor sign something saying they were in class and passing.

I'm not saying that these courses were not a complete joke, JDC.

As far as I know, there's no proof the athletic department knew that these kids were getting As for turning in a paragraph from Wikipedia about Rosa Parks.

They were simply doing what most every DI athletics department does...trying to find the easiest way for an athlete to earn whatever kind of credit they need to stay eligible and (maybe) graduate.

I don't know how you really justify handing out punishment here without the NCAA basically getting into the territory of policing academic rigor in individual academic departments.


And that's the real problem . . . IF the NCAA had decided to "sanction" UNC, they'd have had to sanction every athletic program in the country.

If the course had been created for and to benefit only athletes on the campus, then UNC could have been hung out to dry . . . But it didn't, approximately half the students that took those classes were not athletes.

Ultimately, each institution is left to determine the academic rigor of its courses, not The NCAA.

I know a lot of people don't like The NCAA's ruling on this, but UNC isn't the only institution of higher learning offering courses of questionable difficulty. . .
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
(10-13-2017 04:19 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 02:25 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 01:48 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 10:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not okay with the NCAA punishing a sports team for something a rogue professor or department does.

I'm also not okay with opening up the Pandora's Box of having the NCAA enforce whether or not athlete course loads have sufficient rigor. Most of us in DI have those majors where we stick athletes who aren't good students. We basically do the same thing UNC does...customize the course load to minimize difficulty.

They had secretaries grading papers....give me a break. The secretary admitted not even reading the entire paper and always gave out high grades, get out here with that nonsense. We are not doing what they did not even close, oh when we do or even close we get hammered. We got nailed for some chick taking a few online quizes for players that played in like one game. Also unless things have changed at GS every single athlete I had a class with had to have the professor sign something saying they were in class and passing.

I'm not saying that these courses were not a complete joke, JDC.

As far as I know, there's no proof the athletic department knew that these kids were getting As for turning in a paragraph from Wikipedia about Rosa Parks.

They were simply doing what most every DI athletics department does...trying to find the easiest way for an athlete to earn whatever kind of credit they need to stay eligible and (maybe) graduate.

I don't know how you really justify handing out punishment here without the NCAA basically getting into the territory of policing academic rigor in individual academic departments.


And that's the real problem . . . IF the NCAA had decided to "sanction" UNC, they'd have had to sanction every athletic program in the country.

If the course had been created for and to benefit only athletes on the campus, then UNC could have been hung out to dry . . . But it didn't, approximately half the students that took those classes were not athletes.

Ultimately, each institution is left to determine the academic rigor of its courses, not The NCAA.

I know a lot of people don't like The NCAA's ruling on this, but UNC isn't the only institution of higher learning offering courses of questionable difficulty. . .
Irrelevant. You get caught cheating you pay the price, unless you are a blue blood. Giving a kid an A in a class for writing a paragraph about Rosa Parks is not a genuine class.

Everyone speeds at some point. It doesn't mean we waive everyone's speeding tickets.

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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
(10-13-2017 03:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  This should not come as a shock to anyone. As is alway the case, follow the money and it'll take you right where you need to go. UNC-CHeat is a cash cow for the NCAA and a poster boy for ESPN. No way were they going to do anything to that bunch. The Tar Babies slow played this long enough to clean out all the partners in crime. That way they could use the "we've cleaned up our act" plea bargin. While I'm not a fan of punishing the current players and coaches for something done 10 years ago, there should have been some sort of punishment. At the very least some banners should have come down and money paid back to the NCAA. At the end of the day the NCAA has made themselves the very definition of a hypocrite. Every Tar Baby alumnus knows their school is tainted and that whole "Carolina Way" BS is exactly that. IMO this makes them look even worse than if they had been hit with some sanctions.

No way you punish the athletic department or a particular team for something the athletic department or team had nothing to do with. This is all on the academic department and the school itself. The repetition is defiantly tarnished, and they are no different than any other SEC school of "higher learning" who is more focused on the $$$ then anything else. How you punish the academics? Don't know.

But to say banners should come down is naive and complete homerish by ABCers.
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RE: OT: NCAA “could not conclude” academic violations in UNC case
(10-13-2017 06:47 PM)Shrack Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 04:19 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 02:25 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 01:48 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 10:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not okay with the NCAA punishing a sports team for something a rogue professor or department does.

I'm also not okay with opening up the Pandora's Box of having the NCAA enforce whether or not athlete course loads have sufficient rigor. Most of us in DI have those majors where we stick athletes who aren't good students. We basically do the same thing UNC does...customize the course load to minimize difficulty.

They had secretaries grading papers....give me a break. The secretary admitted not even reading the entire paper and always gave out high grades, get out here with that nonsense. We are not doing what they did not even close, oh when we do or even close we get hammered. We got nailed for some chick taking a few online quizes for players that played in like one game. Also unless things have changed at GS every single athlete I had a class with had to have the professor sign something saying they were in class and passing.

I'm not saying that these courses were not a complete joke, JDC.

As far as I know, there's no proof the athletic department knew that these kids were getting As for turning in a paragraph from Wikipedia about Rosa Parks.

They were simply doing what most every DI athletics department does...trying to find the easiest way for an athlete to earn whatever kind of credit they need to stay eligible and (maybe) graduate.

I don't know how you really justify handing out punishment here without the NCAA basically getting into the territory of policing academic rigor in individual academic departments.


And that's the real problem . . . IF the NCAA had decided to "sanction" UNC, they'd have had to sanction every athletic program in the country.

If the course had been created for and to benefit only athletes on the campus, then UNC could have been hung out to dry . . . But it didn't, approximately half the students that took those classes were not athletes.

Ultimately, each institution is left to determine the academic rigor of its courses, not The NCAA.

I know a lot of people don't like The NCAA's ruling on this, but UNC isn't the only institution of higher learning offering courses of questionable difficulty. . .
Irrelevant. You get caught cheating you pay the price, unless you are a blue blood. Giving a kid an A in a class for writing a paragraph about Rosa Parks is not a genuine class.

Everyone speeds at some point. It doesn't mean we waive everyone's speeding tickets.

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When teams and players are being regulated by APR then they are dictating academics already. Letting this go flies in the face of even having an APR standard.
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(10-13-2017 10:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not okay with the NCAA punishing a sports team for something a rogue professor or department does.

I'm also not okay with opening up the Pandora's Box of having the NCAA enforce whether or not athlete course loads have sufficient rigor. Most of us in DI have those majors where we stick athletes who aren't good students. We basically do the same thing UNC does...customize the course load to minimize difficulty.

I'm not asking for all that but it would be nice if they'd at least make them go to real classes
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(10-13-2017 12:25 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  My in-laws really like NC State a lot. Season ticket holders, met the coaches and players for football, basketball, and baseball numerous times over the decades. They truly care about "their" Wolfpack.

But, and they won't admit admit this, their real passion is hating UNC with the consuming fire of a thousand suns. I dread hearing about this over Thanksgiving. It's probably all they'll talk about, especially when, on the same day, an NC State freshman hoops player was ruled ineligible for, gasp, taking a single class at Ohio State in May.

Should've taken a fake class
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The NCAA just handed over all of their power to the Blue Bloods, and gave everyone the blueprint for getting away with cheating. I think they're worried the P5 will break away and take their cash with them.
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They are. Let them go. Time for real college athletics to be fun again, not an arms race.
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(10-13-2017 10:53 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not okay with the NCAA punishing a sports team for something a rogue professor or department does.

I'm also not okay with opening up the Pandora's Box of having the NCAA enforce whether or not athlete course loads have sufficient rigor. Most of us in DI have those majors where we stick athletes who aren't good students. We basically do the same thing UNC does...customize the course load to minimize difficulty.

Agree 100%

I’ve never liked UNC, but this was the right outcome. These kinds of classes exist everywhere.

When I was at App (graduated 09), I took a 100 level elective, “Intro to Music”. The entire grading for the class came from 3 tests, 25 questions each. The professor gave everybody the 25 questions as a “study guide”, and then you would take the test online whenever you wanted to. Easiest A ever.

That wasn’t typical, and I never had another class that easy, but I’m positive they existed. At every Sun Belt school, every ACC school, everywhere.
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Quite a few closet UNCCH fans in our fan add unfortunately.

Two wrongs have never made a right. Sad day for true student athletes everywhere.
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(10-13-2017 09:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Quite a few closet UNCCH fans in our fan add unfortunately.

Two wrongs have never made a right. Sad day for true student athletes everywhere.

I don't respect UNC at all, but I understand the decision. They did everything wrong, but they did not violate an NCAA rule. They're despicable, but they can't get punished for breaking an NCAA rule because technically, they didn't.

And yes, the NCAA owes a huge apology to USC, Alabama, even SMU for hmering them for more egregious acts.
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At the very least, UNC should have been on probation from their accrediting organization. Politics will prevent this too.
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(10-13-2017 09:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Quite a few closet UNCCH fans in our fan add unfortunately.

Two wrongs have never made a right. Sad day for true student athletes everywhere.


Riiight, cause UNCCH is the ONLY school doing this . . . And Every other college in the country is a bastion of high academic standards and excellence . . .

. . and no other schools would even dream of "bending rules" for student athletes, or offering courses of questionable academic rigor . .

Some of y'all are flat out hilarious . . . 03-lmfao

College Athletics is a Business . . Has been for a long time . . You wanna know what's remarkable, that you don't see more programs on the wrong side of NCAA sanctions . .
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(10-13-2017 10:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  At the very least, UNC should have been on probation from their accrediting organization. Politics will prevent this too.

They were for two years. You could make an argument that it should have been longer, but they did get put on probation.
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(10-13-2017 10:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 09:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Quite a few closet UNCCH fans in our fan add unfortunately.

Two wrongs have never made a right. Sad day for true student athletes everywhere.


Riiight, cause UNCCH is the ONLY school doing this . . . And Every other college in the country is a bastion of high academic standards and excellence . . .

. . and no other schools would even dream of "bending rules" for student athletes, or offering courses of questionable academic rigor . .

Some of y'all are flat out hilarious . . . 03-lmfao

College Athletics is a Business . . Has been for a long time . . You wanna know what's remarkable, that you don't see more programs on the wrong side of NCAA sanctions . .

First, even if everyone else is breaking the rules that doesn't make it okay.
Second, show me proof of other schools are doing this.
And finally, if you can find other schools doing this please show me one that has DECADES of academic fraud on the same level as UNC.
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It wasnt a "fake" class it was a creampuff elective class. Obviously this was an extreme example of creampuff classes. Academic fraud would be if only athletes took the course it wasnt listed on the general schedule. If you want more rigor then you need to put that into NCAA rules. The way to do that would be to exclude non-core degree courses from computation of GPA for NCAA purposes
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