(10-16-2017 10:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Nova held us to 45 yards of rushing on 30 attempts. Thats an average of only 1.5 yards, including the Schor scrambles, and quite a few of those runs were TFL.

If one thing worries me this year, its the offensive run game. The O-line has not been able to dominate strong defenses, and somehow Nova had more rushing yards (144) than we did. Missing Kloo also hampers the short passes in the red zone.

Yeah, that's the real chink I see in our armor. I think more designed runs by Schor could help (love the QB draw), and why isn't Marshall producing up to his hype?

(10-16-2017 10:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Nova held us to 45 yards of rushing on 30 attempts. Thats an average of only 1.5 yards, including the Schor scrambles, and quite a few of those runs were TFL.

If one thing worries me this year, its the offensive run game. The O-line has not been able to dominate strong defenses, and somehow Nova had more rushing yards (144) than we did. Missing Kloo also hampers the short passes in the red zone.

That's true, but it included the -19 in sack yardage on the 2 sacks of Schor because the NCAA includes minus sack yards in the rushing total (IMHOP they shouldn't). I look at it as 64 yards on 28 rushing plays (which would be under 2.3 yards per carry, still very bad) and -19 on 2 sacks...

I was saying go for it at the time. I can see both arguements for going for it and kicking the FG...

(10-16-2017 10:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Nova held us to 45 yards of rushing on 30 attempts. Thats an average of only 1.5 yards, including the Schor scrambles, and quite a few of those runs were TFL.

If one thing worries me this year, its the offensive run game. The O-line has not been able to dominate strong defenses, and somehow Nova had more rushing yards (144) than we did. Missing Kloo also hampers the short passes in the red zone.

NOVA HAD BEEN STOPPING THE RUN ALL SEASON ... UP UNTIL THE JMU GAME THEY HAD ALLOWED 1.3 YDS PER CARRY ....

JMUNation, the o line wasn’t getting the push against their d line. It just happened for the three prior plays. There comes a point where you realize the kind of game you’re in and the need to make it a three possession game.
It ended up mattering once VU got within 8.

Agree that we should have gone for it.

I think our run game so far has been SUPER vanilla because we are trusting in our abilities to get yards with our talent and less our scheme. I'm convinced we will see some wrinkles thrown in 11/11 or 11/18 and definitely during the playoffs.

I thought we should go for it, but I said at the time to those around me, "I'm not criticizing Houston for making the call, he's won every game at JMU save 1." Until he proves that he is making the wrong decision, I'll error on the side that he is making the right one. When it comes to Deyukes football--In Houston, I trust.

(10-17-2017 10:03 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I thought we should go for it, but I said at the time to those around me, "I'm not criticizing Houston for making the call, he's won every game at JMU save 1." Until he proves that he is making the wrong decision, I'll error on the side that he is making the right one. When it comes to Deyukes football--In Houston, I trust.

Yep. I posted in the game thread that I was surprised by us not going for it and even more surprised at the chorus of boos thrown down at HCMH. I rationalized his not going for it as 1) a smart move at the moment making it a full 2-possession game (read: VU needing 2 TD's + 2 2-pt conversions just to tie) while riding his defense...and, 2) perhaps a subtle message to his offensive staff and players that they need to get their schlitz together for him to have faith in them (read: message sent).

Many of us keep saying all this O needs to do each week is put up about 17 pts and we'll win. Well, I guess that was what HCMH was doing (well, close to it that is at the moment).

(10-17-2017 10:08 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:03 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I thought we should go for it, but I said at the time to those around me, "I'm not criticizing Houston for making the call, he's won every game at JMU save 1." Until he proves that he is making the wrong decision, I'll error on the side that he is making the right one. When it comes to Deyukes football--In Houston, I trust.

Yep. I posted in the game thread that I was surprised by us not going for it and even more surprised at the chorus of boos thrown down at HCMH. I rationalized his not going for it as 1) a smart move at the moment making it a full 2-possession game (read: VU needing 2 TD's + 2 2-pt conversions just to tie) while riding his defense...and, 2) perhaps a subtle message to his offensive staff and players that they need to get their schlitz together for him to have faith in them (read: message sent).

Many of us keep saying all this O needs to do each week is put up about 17 pts and we'll win. Well, I guess that was what HCMH was doing (well, close to it that is at the moment).

As far as the boos, I don't think anyone meant those as personal. I will boo my best friend and wife when she makes a very conservative decision in her daily life. She just chuckles knowing that I am right about it being a conservative decision, but that is who she is and has no fear in sticking with her plan. I'm sure MH get's a chuckle when we give him the same snotty boo, it's no big deal at all. We're at a football game and just having some fun.

(10-17-2017 05:54 AM)Potomac Wrote:  JMUNation, the o line wasn’t getting the push against their d line. It just happened for the three prior plays. There comes a point where you realize the kind of game you’re in and the need to make it a three possession game.
It ended up mattering once VU got within 8.

I definitely see your point and it is a good one. I would have gone for it.

Did you guys notice the play Nova used for the two point conversion? That is great coaching. You have to have a few creative plays in the arsenal. Historically, I haven't seen that from JMU since the fumblerooski with Rip Schere. He was probably our most creative offensive mind.

(10-17-2017 06:11 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 05:54 AM)Potomac Wrote:  JMUNation, the o line wasn’t getting the push against their d line. It just happened for the three prior plays. There comes a point where you realize the kind of game you’re in and the need to make it a three possession game.
It ended up mattering once VU got within 8.

I definitely see your point and it is a good one. I would have gone for it.

Did you guys notice the play Nova used for the two point conversion? That is great coaching. You have to have a few creative plays in the arsenal. Historically, I haven't seen that from JMU since the fumblerooski with Rip Schere. He was probably our most creative offensive mind.

#Chris Schellhammer

(10-17-2017 05:38 AM)JMUTEKE Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Nova held us to 45 yards of rushing on 30 attempts. Thats an average of only 1.5 yards, including the Schor scrambles, and quite a few of those runs were TFL.

If one thing worries me this year, its the offensive run game. The O-line has not been able to dominate strong defenses, and somehow Nova had more rushing yards (144) than we did. Missing Kloo also hampers the short passes in the red zone.

NOVA HAD BEEN STOPPING THE RUN ALL SEASON ... UP UNTIL THE JMU GAME THEY HAD ALLOWED 1.3 YDS PER CARRY ....

True, but you'd hope we'd be much better than what they've faced. Our offensive line still has a way's to go to get us to the promised land, but that is to be expected based on the inexperience of this year's line. I expect to see them turn the corner similiar to how the Defense did about this time last year.

O line play has not been up to last year's team but there were three Seniors and two Juniors starting for us most of the season. One Senior was an AA. Yes, we started two Freshman in the playoffs at times but mostly only one.

I am not sure this line will get to the same level this year but they are still pretty good and likely don't have to for JMU to keep winning.

(10-20-2017 06:32 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  O line play has not been up to last year's team but there were three Seniors and two Juniors starting for us most of the season. One Senior was an AA. Yes, we started two Freshman in the playoffs at times but mostly only one.

I am not sure this line will get to the same level this year but they are still pretty good and likely don't have to for JMU to keep winning.

I'm a little surprised with the OL and the running game thus far. We have a lot of highly rated players, and 3-4 FBS transfers on the OL if I remember right. I know the OL takes the longest time to gel, but it seems like we're regressing a bit in the run game as the season goes on.

I have all the confidence in the world that the coaching staff will right the ship. Hopefully WM provides a breakout game for the OL. We're not going to win 4 in a row in December/January if we can't run the ball consistently.

(10-20-2017 07:52 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 06:32 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  O line play has not been up to last year's team but there were three Seniors and two Juniors starting for us most of the season. One Senior was an AA. Yes, we started two Freshman in the playoffs at times but mostly only one.

I am not sure this line will get to the same level this year but they are still pretty good and likely don't have to for JMU to keep winning.

I'm a little surprised with the OL and the running game thus far. We have a lot of highly rated players, and 3-4 FBS transfers on the OL if I remember right. I know the OL takes the longest time to gel, but it seems like we're regressing a bit in the run game as the season goes on.

I have all the confidence in the world that the coaching staff will right the ship. Hopefully WM provides a breakout game for the OL. We're not going to win 4 in a row in December/January if we can't run the ball consistently.

While they have a bit of FBS Transfers, only AJ Bolden is the only FBS transfer playing on the OL. Rest are recruits that now start for us (Aaron, Mac, Nick and Jahee)

Pretty much agree with what Dukester and Nation said earlier. Look at what the OL has lost since last season:
-Mitchell Kirsch: 3 year starter at OT, consensus All American- graduated, UDFA Chicago Bears.
-Matt Frank: 2 year starter at OG, starting all 27 games over the last 2 seasons. 2nd team All CAA. Graduated.
-Kyle Rigney- started all 15 games at center last season. Graduated.
-Tyree Chavious: would be starter at RT who had nearly 4 starts last year during the playoffs replacing Kirsch. Out for season due to summer injury.
-Gerren Butler: started 1st 4 games at RG- out for season due to injury vs Maine.
-Nick Edwards: suspended 1st 4 games. Now starting at RG, and he wasn’t even on the 2 deep last season.

Before the season started there were some people on here with purple colored glasses who thought that with the transfers the OL was going to be dominant. Heck, some people on here with the usual transfer hype had anointed one of the transfers as a starter, and neither of them are even on the 2 deep. I think there were signs though that starting off the OL wasn’t going to be nearly as good as last season. Even with improved play by the second half of the season, it won’t be as good as last year. But IMHOP it can become good enough to enable JMU to get back to Frisco. Don’t need to be dominant like last year, rather just good.

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Pretty much agree with what Dukester and Nation said earlier. Look at what the OL has lost since last season:
-Mitchell Kirsch: 3 year starter at OT, consensus All American- graduated, UDFA Chicago Bears.
-Matt Frank: 2 year starter at OG, starting all 27 games over the last 2 seasons. 2nd team All CAA. Graduated.
-Kyle Rigney- started all 15 games at center last season. Graduated.
-Tyree Chavious: would be starter at RT who had nearly 4 starts last year during the playoffs replacing Kirsch. Out for season due to summer injury.
-Gerren Butler: started 1st 4 games at RG- out for season due to injury vs Maine.
-Nick Edwards: suspended 1st 4 games. Now starting at RG, and he wasn’t even on the 2 deep last season.

Before the season started there were some people on here with purple colored glasses who thought that with the transfers the OL was going to be dominant. Heck, some people on here with the usual transfer hype had anointed one of the transfers as a starter, and neither of them are even on the 2 deep. I think there were signs though that starting off the OL wasn’t going to be nearly as good as last season. Even with improved play by the second half of the season, it won’t be as good as last year. But IMHOP it can become good enough to enable JMU to get back to Frisco. Don’t need to be dominant like last year, rather just good.

Isn't that always the case? I guess some fans always assume transfers can be used to fix anything.

I will say, that I am surprised that the two P5 transfers haven't even cracked the 2-deep after the injuries we had. Makes you wonder if we should've brought them in at all.